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Crain's Busines Enrollment drops
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/2...enrollment

"Enrollment is off nearly 30 percent since a 2006 peak of 25,3313 . NIU's student exodus is almost as severe—5,000 since 2006, to a four-decade low of 20,600, prompting a tuition freeze and 100 pink slips.

Not all schools are leaking matriculants. Enrollment is more or less stable at Illinois State University in Normal and Southern Illinois University's Edwardsville campus, and it has jumped 24 percent in the past five years at Governors State University as it evolves into a four-year institution by adding freshman and sophomore classes. The south suburban University Park institution reported a $1.5 million operating surplus in fiscal 2015."

Our leadership has been a complete failure the last nine years. How can we drop almost 5,000 students from 9 years ago? ISU can figure it out, and we are lost.

I wonder when the drop in students will start hitting our athletic budget? Was our athletic budget cut 30% since 2006?
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Why does everyone keep comparing us to Iowa St?
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Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.
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(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

You can send your son to FSU (top 35 in the nation for public universities) or Florida (top ten in the nation for public universities) for even less than that out of state, although both are going to be much tougher to get into compared to NIU and ISU. My nephew is enrolled at Florida in Engineering and their program is very difficult to get accepted.
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(08-17-2015 09:24 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

You can send your son to FSU (top 35 in the nation for public universities) or Florida (top ten in the nation for public universities) for even less than that out of state, although both are going to be much tougher to get into compared to NIU and ISU. My nephew is enrolled at Florida in Engineering and their program is very difficult to get accepted.

Not sure where you get that...Florida is 43k out of state.

2015-16 Academic Year
Undergrad On/Off Campus
*Tuition / Fees $6,310
Books and Supplies 1,300
Computer/Cell Phone 1,260
Housing 5,420
Food 4,230
Transportation 1,100
Clothing Maintenance 700
Personal 270
Total Budget $20,590
* Tuition/fee figures are projected estimates for 2015-16 for incoming freshmen and graduate students entering UF for the first time. Tuition/fees for continuing students may be lower. Out-of-state undergraduates should add $22,278 to projected tuition/fees. Out-of-state graduate students should add $17,394 to projected tuition/fees.

http://www.sfa.ufl.edu/basics/cost-of-attendance/
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If there is any positive news, I think the NIU president is making some good decisions and his mind is open to to make changes when something is or is not working. The old days of the regal university president are over and they have to be a combination of marketing executive, public relations specialist and maybe lastly educator.

Also, Florida and Florida State out of state tution is much higher then NIU in state. I think that person is making up numbers.
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(08-17-2015 10:00 AM)BobL Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:24 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

You can send your son to FSU (top 35 in the nation for public universities) or Florida (top ten in the nation for public universities) for even less than that out of state, although both are going to be much tougher to get into compared to NIU and ISU. My nephew is enrolled at Florida in Engineering and their program is very difficult to get accepted.

Not sure where you get that...Florida is 43k out of state.

2015-16 Academic Year
Undergrad On/Off Campus
*Tuition / Fees $6,310
Books and Supplies 1,300
Computer/Cell Phone 1,260
Housing 5,420
Food 4,230
Transportation 1,100
Clothing Maintenance 700
Personal 270
Total Budget $20,590
* Tuition/fee figures are projected estimates for 2015-16 for incoming freshmen and graduate students entering UF for the first time. Tuition/fees for continuing students may be lower. Out-of-state undergraduates should add $22,278 to projected tuition/fees. Out-of-state graduate students should add $17,394 to projected tuition/fees.

http://www.sfa.ufl.edu/basics/cost-of-attendance/

Sorry I didn't explain further, based on four or five years to get an engineering degree, so go ahead and do the math on one year out of state and then three to four years in state once you have residency.

NIU for four years X $28,000 = $112,000
Florida 3 X $22,278 = $66,834 plus your first year out of state $43,000 = $109,834
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The other thing hurting enrollment is with Douglas torn down, Lincoln closed, and 2 Grant towers closed there is less space for kids to live on campus which may be affecting enrollment. I realize New Hall got built but I still think its a negative on the number of beds before all of that to now.
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(08-17-2015 10:13 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 10:00 AM)BobL Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:24 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

You can send your son to FSU (top 35 in the nation for public universities) or Florida (top ten in the nation for public universities) for even less than that out of state, although both are going to be much tougher to get into compared to NIU and ISU. My nephew is enrolled at Florida in Engineering and their program is very difficult to get accepted.

Not sure where you get that...Florida is 43k out of state.

2015-16 Academic Year
Undergrad On/Off Campus
*Tuition / Fees $6,310
Books and Supplies 1,300
Computer/Cell Phone 1,260
Housing 5,420
Food 4,230
Transportation 1,100
Clothing Maintenance 700
Personal 270
Total Budget $20,590
* Tuition/fee figures are projected estimates for 2015-16 for incoming freshmen and graduate students entering UF for the first time. Tuition/fees for continuing students may be lower. Out-of-state undergraduates should add $22,278 to projected tuition/fees. Out-of-state graduate students should add $17,394 to projected tuition/fees.

http://www.sfa.ufl.edu/basics/cost-of-attendance/

Sorry I didn't explain further, based on four or five years to get an engineering degree, so go ahead and do the math on one year out of state and then three to four years in state once you have residency.
NIU for four years X $28,000 = $112,000
Florida 3 X $22,278 = $66,834 plus your first year out of state $43,000 = $109,834
Pretty good as Florida is about as close as you get to IVY league when it comes to state schools, they rank with the best, here is one ranking:

The residency requirements appear easier in FL than other states. The issue I believe would be if the kids are independent then they can not accept cash from parents..without it being taxed.
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It almost impossible to get resident tuition in the 4 years of undergrad school at the University of Wisconsin . Even if you are staying the summers and working full time in the summer.

Now Kansas and Missouri are very lenient on becoming a full time resident after your freshman year if you stick around for the summer and work full time. These two schools and Iowa with Iowa State are becoming very attractive to the suburban student who cannot get into U of I. Illinois State is attracting the spill over from many U of I denied applicants which for a variety of reasons NIU cannot.
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(08-17-2015 11:03 AM)NIU75 Wrote:  It almost impossible to get resident tuition in the 4 years of undergrad school at the University of Wisconsin . Even if you are staying the summers and working full time in the summer.

Now Kansas and Missouri are very lenient on becoming a full time resident after your freshman year if you stick around for the summer and work full time. These two schools and Iowa with Iowa State are becoming very attractive to the suburban student who cannot get into U of I. Illinois State is attracting the spill over from many U of I denied applicants which for a variety of reasons NIU cannot.

Correct about WI residency and Kansas, Mizzou and the Iowa schools. Iowa State's published residency info essentially says if you came from out of state for an education the only way to get residency is to live there one full year without full time student status, financially independent etc.
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You really have to treat the ISU and SIU enrollment figures as gains. There are a lot fewer HS students in Illinois, so they seem to be gaining share from NIU. Not a good situation.
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(08-17-2015 11:03 AM)NIU75 Wrote:  Now Kansas and Missouri are very lenient on becoming a full time resident after your freshman year if you stick around for the summer and work full time.

This is exactly what I did. I am paying ~13k for this year's school year (ignoring book costs). I love NIU football, and considered going to the school, but with in state tuition in Kansas as an option, I couldn't say no to that.
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(08-17-2015 10:14 AM)nbcards Wrote:  The other thing hurting enrollment is with Douglas torn down, Lincoln closed, and 2 Grant towers closed there is less space for kids to live on campus which may be affecting enrollment. I realize New Hall got built but I still think its a negative on the number of beds before all of that to now.

2 years ago there were over 2700 empty beds. How is removing 1000 of those beds negatively impacting enrollment?




Actually it will be interesting to see the number of students in the dorms this year because that 2 year requirement starts this year.
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(08-17-2015 10:14 AM)nbcards Wrote:  The other thing hurting enrollment is with Douglas torn down, Lincoln closed, and 2 Grant towers closed there is less space for kids to live on campus which may be affecting enrollment. I realize New Hall got built but I still think its a negative on the number of beds before all of that to now.

2 years ago there were over 2700 empty beds. How is removing 1000 of those beds negatively impacting enrollment?




Actually it will be interesting to see the number of students in the dorms this year because that 2 year requirement starts this year.

I heard last year they had too many students and people were staying in the hotel and in lounges
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(08-17-2015 02:11 PM)nbcards Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 11:58 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 10:14 AM)nbcards Wrote:  The other thing hurting enrollment is with Douglas torn down, Lincoln closed, and 2 Grant towers closed there is less space for kids to live on campus which may be affecting enrollment. I realize New Hall got built but I still think its a negative on the number of beds before all of that to now.

2 years ago there were over 2700 empty beds. How is removing 1000 of those beds negatively impacting enrollment?




Actually it will be interesting to see the number of students in the dorms this year because that 2 year requirement starts this year.

I heard last year they had too many students and people were staying in the hotel and in lounges

No this is not true, Lincoln and douglas and parts of grant have been empty for 2-3 years due to enrollment.
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(08-17-2015 02:39 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 02:11 PM)nbcards Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 11:58 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 10:14 AM)nbcards Wrote:  The other thing hurting enrollment is with Douglas torn down, Lincoln closed, and 2 Grant towers closed there is less space for kids to live on campus which may be affecting enrollment. I realize New Hall got built but I still think its a negative on the number of beds before all of that to now.

2 years ago there were over 2700 empty beds. How is removing 1000 of those beds negatively impacting enrollment?




Actually it will be interesting to see the number of students in the dorms this year because that 2 year requirement starts this year.

I heard last year they had too many students and people were staying in the hotel and in lounges

No this is not true, Lincoln and Douglas and parts of grant have been empty for 2-3 years due to enrollment.

In fall 2010 all the buildings were occupied but then Lincoln was shut down for not meeting ADA, Grant towers began closing for renovation the following year and Douglas was open until this past year due to the road. A few of my friends who were CA's last year said they had too many people in the residence halls and didn't have enough space.
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(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

+1 I just came back from dropping my son off at Oklahoma State, between the scholarship for getting a B average and halfway decent act score it was almost $8k cheaper to attend than NIU.
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(08-17-2015 05:40 PM)Huskie Red Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

+1 I just came back from dropping my son off at Oklahoma State, between the scholarship for getting a B average and halfway decent act score it was almost $8k cheaper to attend than NIU.

Haha what the heck happened? when I went to school at NIU (started in 04) it was 12K to attend. I went to NIU over NC State and Minnesota because it was soooo much cheaper. All about timing huh? I could be an alumni of P5 school and not even have to worry about respect or even being good hahahah.

Side note...I wouldn't change my college experience for anything, I love NIU and am really happy I went there. It's the best damn school in the land.
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(08-17-2015 06:01 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 05:40 PM)Huskie Red Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 09:17 AM)BobL Wrote:  Cost of Attendance is simply too high. Tomorrow I take my son to Iowa State, where the cost of attendance for out of state is 31K. for NIU in state its 28K. My son received a 4800 grant from Iowa State putting the COA at 26K.

So the question then becomes go to an out of state AAU school with a top 35 Engineering school(those offering doctorates) for 2k less than instate NIU which is a top 50 engineering(those not offering doctorates). Keep in mind my son is a huge NIU football fan...but there is no choice. Iowa State wins every time.

+1 I just came back from dropping my son off at Oklahoma State, between the scholarship for getting a B average and halfway decent act score it was almost $8k cheaper to attend than NIU.

Haha what the heck happened? when I went to school at NIU (started in 04) it was 12K to attend. I went to NIU over NC State and Minnesota because it was soooo much cheaper. All about timing huh? I could be an alumni of P5 school and not even have to worry about respect or even being good hahahah.

Side note...I wouldn't change my college experience for anything, I love NIU and am really happy I went there. It's the best damn school in the land.

+1 but wow.. I started 98 and wrapped my masters in 2003... NIU was such a compelling fit because I knew I wanted to start my career in Chicago and it was materially cheaper than the surrounding states/BIG TEN... to hear OK St as an out of state is $8k cheaper.. and NIU is now $28k COA... wow...

I was fortunate enough to attend on a full tuition 4 year waiver.... but all in COA at that time was only $11... what a state
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