(12-27-2015 12:03 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  IF Duke, UNC and UVA and no ND/Kansas then I could see GT or UConn as the fourth. I don't see the Big Ten adding another private after either Duke or ND (I have a real hard time seeing Vandy switch despite what some B1G fans think). UConn does give them another flagship in the East. Stadium could be expanded if needed. GT in Hotlanta might win over UConn but GT might have a hard time picking between academic peers and southern football rivals.

I've found that some B1G fans have a superiority complex the size of Lake Michigan. That's not to say some SEC fans aren't delusional, but it does seem to be a pattern among some B1G fans that they view their league as the end-all be-all of athletics, academics, and everything else under the sun. The bias is thick with some of those folks. I'd be shocked if Vanderbilt or Mizzou, for that matter, decided to bolt for the B1G.

Anyway, UConn would be a good addition for the B1G although I'm not sure I see them making it if indeed the ACC falls apart. I wouldn't want to be a UConn fan these days as I'm sure it is stressful.

I could definitely see UNC, Duke, UVA, and GT heading that way although my hope is that UNC and VT will end up in the SEC. I think the B1G is probably a no-brainer for GT actually as I don't think the SEC would take them back. Atlanta is already a major SEC market and GT would be redundant. It would kind of be like the B1G taking Pitt and I don't see them doing that.

(12-24-2015 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Should the SEC and Big 10 utilize their capital advantage to round out their footprints and consolidate their brands here is what might be an interesting scenario to try on for size. As you can see it utilizes the best of the G5 to flesh itself out:

SEC East:
Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

SEC Central:
Alabama, Florida State, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

SEC West:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
*****************************************************************

Big 10 East:
Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia

Big 10 Central:
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Rutgers

Big 10 West:
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
*****************************************************************

Big 12 East:
Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big 12 North:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

Big 12 West:
Baylor, Brigham Young, Colorado State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian
******************************************************************

PAC 12 North:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

PAC 12 West:
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford

PAC 12 South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Texas Tech, Houston

PAC 12 East:
Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Utah

In this scenario, I think you would see the PAC take TCU and OSU and making them 18 like the SEC/B1G so it is easier for casual fans to adjust to the new structure. Leaving OK as a gap between KS and TX when they could take OSU would be foolish. TCU when added to TTU and Houston would help the PAC immensely with more exposure in DFW. The PAC would hate not landing UT or OU, but if they decided to expand anyway they should grab what new markets they can.

JR, I think that a ND/Texas (and possibly UNC) super conference is a possibility and have said so in the past. Dodds is on video saying ND and Texas discussed the possibility. It might be a slim possibility compared to just merging into the existing power structure, but ND and Texas are the two biggest egos in college sports and UNC is a strong third. They would all prefer to continue to wield huge influence, which they would not if they joined the B1G or SEC. They might make less than if they had joined the SEC or B1G, but would get paid competitively with the B1G and SEC if they did create their own super conference from scratch in the mid 2020s as the ACC and B12 GoR are expiring. The only reason the B12 and ACC survive right now is that Texas and UNC valued power and taking care of their little brother schools over less power and more money in another conference. If the B12 and ACC are not sustainable when the GoR near their end then I think you could see those schools discussing the creation of a new conference. They would be able to mold the conference to fit their needs. When you are dealing with the 3 biggest egos in college sports it is hard to predict what they will decide to do.

(12-27-2015 10:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  JR, I think that a ND/Texas (and possibly UNC) super conference is a possibility and have said so in the past. Dodds is on video saying ND and Texas discussed the possibility. It might be a slim possibility compared to just merging into the existing power structure, but ND and Texas are the two biggest egos in college sports and UNC is a strong third. They would all prefer to continue to wield huge influence, which they would not if they joined the B1G or SEC. They might make less than if they had joined the SEC or B1G, but would get paid competitively with the B1G and SEC if they did create their own super conference from scratch in the mid 2020s as the ACC and B12 GoR are expiring. The only reason the B12 and ACC survive right now is that Texas and UNC valued power and taking care of their little brother schools over less power and more money in another conference. If the B12 and ACC are not sustainable when the GoR near their end then I think you could see those schools discussing the creation of a new conference. They would be able to mold the conference to fit their needs. When you are dealing with the 3 biggest egos in college sports it is hard to predict what they will decide to do.

That's certainly possible. But the network model that might make that possible is fading quickly now. I don't see the Big 10 and SEC failing to take key components who would want to remain more central in conference placement to their geography.

The name of the game is about to be nothing but content. Moving to a P4 or smaller virtually assures this. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and who? The Big 10 has Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin to multiply the content. The SEC has Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Tennessee to multiply that content with and virtually all of them are already in the 100,000,000 plus club. Florida State, Clemson, and even Oklahoma could earn much more in either of those two. Virginia Tech could as well. The rest of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC not named Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, or Notre Dame not so much.

My point is this, that time has passed. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and North Carolina won't pay enough to attract the rest, and who in their right mind wants to have to deal with 3 prima donnas?

(12-27-2015 10:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 10:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  JR, I think that a ND/Texas (and possibly UNC) super conference is a possibility and have said so in the past. Dodds is on video saying ND and Texas discussed the possibility. It might be a slim possibility compared to just merging into the existing power structure, but ND and Texas are the two biggest egos in college sports and UNC is a strong third. They would all prefer to continue to wield huge influence, which they would not if they joined the B1G or SEC. They might make less than if they had joined the SEC or B1G, but would get paid competitively with the B1G and SEC if they did create their own super conference from scratch in the mid 2020s as the ACC and B12 GoR are expiring. The only reason the B12 and ACC survive right now is that Texas and UNC valued power and taking care of their little brother schools over less power and more money in another conference. If the B12 and ACC are not sustainable when the GoR near their end then I think you could see those schools discussing the creation of a new conference. They would be able to mold the conference to fit their needs. When you are dealing with the 3 biggest egos in college sports it is hard to predict what they will decide to do.

That's certainly possible. But the network model that might make that possible is fading quickly now. I don't see the Big 10 and SEC failing to take key components who would want to remain more central in conference placement to their geography.

The name of the game is about to be nothing but content. Moving to a P4 or smaller virtually assures this. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and who? The Big 10 has Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin to multiply the content. The SEC has Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Tennessee to multiply that content with and virtually all of them are already in the 100,000,000 plus club. Florida State, Clemson, and even Oklahoma could earn much more in either of those two. Virginia Tech could as well. The rest of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC not named Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, or Notre Dame not so much.

My point is this, that time has passed. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and North Carolina won't pay enough to attract the rest, and who in their right mind wants to have to deal with 3 prima donnas?

JR a big problem that I see with your scenario is that it lacks the branding & content power that your model says will be a necessity. You have all of the brands leaving the ACC & Big 12 & have the remnants in the Big 12 with no brands or content. How could that conference exist as a P4? Wouldn't this take us directly from a P5 to a P3? Wouldn't expanding into a P3 model weaken the whole point of putting a ton of brands into a few conferences, each division having a few brands with more 2nd & 3rd tier brands much like we have now? For example you have Alabama, FSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss & Miss St in a division but going to a P3 means that you would add 2 teams like GT & Louisville to the division. Your not really making the conferences stronger only bigger & losing the content value your trying to add. In my view that's why a P4 is a better balance, you get strong confidences with branding power & maximum content. How you get to a P4 is the question, mixing the Big 12 & ACC someway or creating a new conference.

(12-28-2015 12:17 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 10:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 10:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  JR, I think that a ND/Texas (and possibly UNC) super conference is a possibility and have said so in the past. Dodds is on video saying ND and Texas discussed the possibility. It might be a slim possibility compared to just merging into the existing power structure, but ND and Texas are the two biggest egos in college sports and UNC is a strong third. They would all prefer to continue to wield huge influence, which they would not if they joined the B1G or SEC. They might make less than if they had joined the SEC or B1G, but would get paid competitively with the B1G and SEC if they did create their own super conference from scratch in the mid 2020s as the ACC and B12 GoR are expiring. The only reason the B12 and ACC survive right now is that Texas and UNC valued power and taking care of their little brother schools over less power and more money in another conference. If the B12 and ACC are not sustainable when the GoR near their end then I think you could see those schools discussing the creation of a new conference. They would be able to mold the conference to fit their needs. When you are dealing with the 3 biggest egos in college sports it is hard to predict what they will decide to do.

That's certainly possible. But the network model that might make that possible is fading quickly now. I don't see the Big 10 and SEC failing to take key components who would want to remain more central in conference placement to their geography.

The name of the game is about to be nothing but content. Moving to a P4 or smaller virtually assures this. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and who? The Big 10 has Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin to multiply the content. The SEC has Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Tennessee to multiply that content with and virtually all of them are already in the 100,000,000 plus club. Florida State, Clemson, and even Oklahoma could earn much more in either of those two. Virginia Tech could as well. The rest of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC not named Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, or Notre Dame not so much.

My point is this, that time has passed. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and North Carolina won't pay enough to attract the rest, and who in their right mind wants to have to deal with 3 prima donnas?

JR a big problem that I see with your scenario is that it lacks the branding & content power that your model says will be a necessity. You have all of the brands leaving the ACC & Big 12 & have the remnants in the Big 12 with no brands or content. How could that conference exist as a P4? Wouldn't this take us directly from a P5 to a P3? Wouldn't expanding into a P3 model weaken the whole point of putting a ton of brands into a few conferences, each division having a few brands with more 2nd & 3rd tier brands much like we have now? For example you have Alabama, FSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss & Miss St in a division but going to a P3 means that you would add 2 teams like GT & Louisville to the division. Your not really making the conferences stronger only bigger & losing the content value your trying to add. In my view that's why a P4 is a better balance, you get strong confidences with branding power & maximum content. How you get to a P4 is the question, mixing the Big 12 & ACC someway or creating a new conference.

Lenville, I said 18 and meant 18. If we go to a P3 there will be 54 or fewer schools. The P4 I presented had 70, but no 20 school conferences.

It is just going to be a fact that the schools that add to the revenue of the Big 10 and SEC will be the ones invited. I can't really see how more than 4 can add to their value. Therefore 18. If the ones that are left in the ACC and Big 12 form their own conference it will be better than being left behind.

(12-28-2015 01:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 12:17 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 10:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 10:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  JR, I think that a ND/Texas (and possibly UNC) super conference is a possibility and have said so in the past. Dodds is on video saying ND and Texas discussed the possibility. It might be a slim possibility compared to just merging into the existing power structure, but ND and Texas are the two biggest egos in college sports and UNC is a strong third. They would all prefer to continue to wield huge influence, which they would not if they joined the B1G or SEC. They might make less than if they had joined the SEC or B1G, but would get paid competitively with the B1G and SEC if they did create their own super conference from scratch in the mid 2020s as the ACC and B12 GoR are expiring. The only reason the B12 and ACC survive right now is that Texas and UNC valued power and taking care of their little brother schools over less power and more money in another conference. If the B12 and ACC are not sustainable when the GoR near their end then I think you could see those schools discussing the creation of a new conference. They would be able to mold the conference to fit their needs. When you are dealing with the 3 biggest egos in college sports it is hard to predict what they will decide to do.

That's certainly possible. But the network model that might make that possible is fading quickly now. I don't see the Big 10 and SEC failing to take key components who would want to remain more central in conference placement to their geography.

The name of the game is about to be nothing but content. Moving to a P4 or smaller virtually assures this. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and who? The Big 10 has Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin to multiply the content. The SEC has Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, and Tennessee to multiply that content with and virtually all of them are already in the 100,000,000 plus club. Florida State, Clemson, and even Oklahoma could earn much more in either of those two. Virginia Tech could as well. The rest of the schools in the Big 12 and ACC not named Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Florida State, or Notre Dame not so much.

My point is this, that time has passed. Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and North Carolina won't pay enough to attract the rest, and who in their right mind wants to have to deal with 3 prima donnas?

JR a big problem that I see with your scenario is that it lacks the branding & content power that your model says will be a necessity. You have all of the brands leaving the ACC & Big 12 & have the remnants in the Big 12 with no brands or content. How could that conference exist as a P4? Wouldn't this take us directly from a P5 to a P3? Wouldn't expanding into a P3 model weaken the whole point of putting a ton of brands into a few conferences, each division having a few brands with more 2nd & 3rd tier brands much like we have now? For example you have Alabama, FSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss & Miss St in a division but going to a P3 means that you would add 2 teams like GT & Louisville to the division. Your not really making the conferences stronger only bigger & losing the content value your trying to add. In my view that's why a P4 is a better balance, you get strong confidences with branding power & maximum content. How you get to a P4 is the question, mixing the Big 12 & ACC someway or creating a new conference.

Lenville, I said 18 and meant 18. If we go to a P3 there will be 54 or fewer schools. The P4 I presented had 70, but no 20 school conferences.

It is just going to be a fact that the schools that add to the revenue of the Big 10 and SEC will be the ones invited. I can't really see how more than 4 can add to their value. Therefore 18. If the ones that are left in the ACC and Big 12 form their own conference it will be better than being left behind.

So you're talking about leaving enough to fill an entire conference behind? You don't see any blowback from this? Leaving 5 or so behind is one thing but an entire conference, I don't see it happening. On this we differ, having different opinions makes for great debates. In my opinion you are underestimating the political influence that would result. We have seen politics influence realignment already, for example with Baylor & VT. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion however.

The thing we have to consider is that even though money is the biggest factor and I do think politics will play a role before it's all said a done, there is no all powerful hand guiding the process.

Not even ESPN is powerful enough to control all facets of this even though I think they are the most powerful force in the sport. I wouldn't be shocked to see the SEC or B1G go to 20 because I think neither will willingly take a back seat to the other. The PAC will have to make due with what's left over. The 'best of the rest' conference will still be a power conference because of the revenue they generate, but they just won't be on the level of the B1G or the SEC.

If the ACC and Big 12 brought their biggest Football and Basketball brands together it would be a formidable competitor to the SEC and B10. Imagine Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, Clemson, ND UNC,Duke,Syracuse,UofL and Kansas adding 4 teams from BC,NCST,WF,GT,Miami,Pitt,Virginia,VT,Baylor,Iowa St,Kansas St,Oklahoma St,TCU,Tex Tech,WVU, Cincy,BYU or UConn to form their own 14 team Conference. It surely would be on the same level as the SEC and B1G. Those left behind could be used to fortify the PAC and then ultimately form another, lessor but still outstanding, Conference.

A balanced P4 makes more sense to me. I can't see having all of the elite brands in 3 conferences & only getting 3 spots in a 4 team playoff while a conference full of 2nd & 3rd tier brands getting the 4th spot. It would be better for TV to have as many brands in the CFP as possible. Overloading 3 conferences with all of the brands is a sure way to endanger brands.

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A balanced P4 makes more sense to me. I can't see having all of the elite brands in 3 conferences & only getting 3 spots in a 4 team playoff while a conference full of 2nd & 3rd tier brands getting the 4th spot. It would be better for TV to have as many brands in the CFP as possible. Overloading 3 conferences with all of the brands is a sure way to endanger brands.

Not really. Another way to approach this which is a bit more out of the box, but I have played with it for three years is to make the fourth P conference an all private conference.

Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pitt (quasi state), Syracuse, Texas Christian, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest.

That's 12. Add Army, Navy, and Air Force (although not private they function as such) and you are at 15. Put Temple into the mix and voila.

Air Force, Baylor, Brigham Young, T.C.U.
Duke, Miami, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple
Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The Big 10 adds Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech to get to 16. Then picks up Kansas and Iowa State to get to 18.

Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

The SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, and West Virginia to get to 16. We then pick up N.C. State and Virginia Tech to get to 18.

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Arkansas, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M

The PAC takes Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech to get to 18.

Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Now everybody plus a few have homes and we stand at 70 schools with all of the conferences being more competitive and the divisions more geographically based.

Now tell me that's not a nice, competitive, and geographically reasonable solution.

(12-31-2015 01:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A balanced P4 makes more sense to me. I can't see having all of the elite brands in 3 conferences & only getting 3 spots in a 4 team playoff while a conference full of 2nd & 3rd tier brands getting the 4th spot. It would be better for TV to have as many brands in the CFP as possible. Overloading 3 conferences with all of the brands is a sure way to endanger brands.

Not really. Another way to approach this which is a bit more out of the box, but I have played with it for three years is to make the fourth P conference an all private conference.

Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pitt (quasi state), Syracuse, Texas Christian, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest.

That's 12. Add Army, Navy, and Air Force (although not private they function as such) and you are at 15. Put Temple into the mix and voila.

Air Force, Baylor, Brigham Young, T.C.U.
Duke, Miami, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple
Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The Big 10 adds Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech to get to 16. Then picks up Kansas and Iowa State to get to 18.

Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

The SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, and West Virginia to get to 16. We then pick up N.C. State and Virginia Tech to get to 18.

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Arkansas, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M

The PAC takes Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech to get to 18.

Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Now everybody plus a few have homes and we stand at 70 schools with all of the conferences being more competitive and the divisions more geographically based.

Now tell me that's not a nice, competitive, and geographically reasonable solution.

It's interesting but there are problems. If I'm reading it correctly then you have ND in a division with Navy, Army & Air Force? How is this private school conference a power conference? Moving into a content driven model it's branding is limited with ND, BYU, Miami & the service academies. I think that it would be safe to assume that this conference would lag will behind financially & therefore it's a P3 in reality. To me having a balanced P4 solves the most problems.

(12-31-2015 09:51 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 01:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A balanced P4 makes more sense to me. I can't see having all of the elite brands in 3 conferences & only getting 3 spots in a 4 team playoff while a conference full of 2nd & 3rd tier brands getting the 4th spot. It would be better for TV to have as many brands in the CFP as possible. Overloading 3 conferences with all of the brands is a sure way to endanger brands.

Not really. Another way to approach this which is a bit more out of the box, but I have played with it for three years is to make the fourth P conference an all private conference.

Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pitt (quasi state), Syracuse, Texas Christian, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest.

That's 12. Add Army, Navy, and Air Force (although not private they function as such) and you are at 15. Put Temple into the mix and voila.

Air Force, Baylor, Brigham Young, T.C.U.
Duke, Miami, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple
Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The Big 10 adds Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech to get to 16. Then picks up Kansas and Iowa State to get to 18.

Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

The SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, and West Virginia to get to 16. We then pick up N.C. State and Virginia Tech to get to 18.

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Arkansas, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M

The PAC takes Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech to get to 18.

Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Now everybody plus a few have homes and we stand at 70 schools with all of the conferences being more competitive and the divisions more geographically based.

Now tell me that's not a nice, competitive, and geographically reasonable solution.

It's interesting but there are problems. If I'm reading it correctly then you have ND in a division with Navy, Army & Air Force? How is this private school conference a power conference? Moving into a content driven model it's branding is limited with ND, BYU, Miami & the service academies. I think that it would be safe to assume that this conference would lag will behind financially & therefore it's a P3 in reality. To me having a balanced P4 solves the most problems.

Those schools would have access to the CFP, keep their independence outside of a Television contract for T1 & T2 rights, and whatever the number of agreed upon conference games happened to be. You do know that Navy is one of Notre Dame's oldest rivalries right? It's the price you pay to play with the P4 and to maintain your independence.

It doesn't matter really. It won't happen and many of those schools will be left out. In the end whatever is the most profitable situation for the biggest players is what is going to happen.

(12-31-2015 02:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 09:51 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 01:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  A balanced P4 makes more sense to me. I can't see having all of the elite brands in 3 conferences & only getting 3 spots in a 4 team playoff while a conference full of 2nd & 3rd tier brands getting the 4th spot. It would be better for TV to have as many brands in the CFP as possible. Overloading 3 conferences with all of the brands is a sure way to endanger brands.

Not really. Another way to approach this which is a bit more out of the box, but I have played with it for three years is to make the fourth P conference an all private conference.

Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pitt (quasi state), Syracuse, Texas Christian, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest.

That's 12. Add Army, Navy, and Air Force (although not private they function as such) and you are at 15. Put Temple into the mix and voila.

Air Force, Baylor, Brigham Young, T.C.U.
Duke, Miami, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple
Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Northwestern

The Big 10 adds Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech to get to 16. Then picks up Kansas and Iowa State to get to 18.

Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

The SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, and West Virginia to get to 16. We then pick up N.C. State and Virginia Tech to get to 18.

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Arkansas, Florida State, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M

The PAC takes Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech to get to 18.

Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah

Now everybody plus a few have homes and we stand at 70 schools with all of the conferences being more competitive and the divisions more geographically based.

Now tell me that's not a nice, competitive, and geographically reasonable solution.

It's interesting but there are problems. If I'm reading it correctly then you have ND in a division with Navy, Army & Air Force? How is this private school conference a power conference? Moving into a content driven model it's branding is limited with ND, BYU, Miami & the service academies. I think that it would be safe to assume that this conference would lag will behind financially & therefore it's a P3 in reality. To me having a balanced P4 solves the most problems.

Those schools would have access to the CFP, keep their independence outside of a Television contract for T1 & T2 rights, and whatever the number of agreed upon conference games happened to be. You do know that Navy is one of Notre Dame's oldest rivalries right? It's the price you pay to play with the P4 and to maintain your independence.

It doesn't matter really. It won't happen and many of those schools will be left out. In the end whatever is the most profitable situation for the biggest players is what is going to happen.

All valid points as well.

(08-17-2015 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  Texas by being stubborn (again) has now placed the onus on the SEC.

Eh, the SEC doesn't have to expand just yet. I think it's time to sit back and let nature take its course. Face it XLance, Carolina screwed up the first time around, and now is potentially damaged goods.

Texas is just being smart. I don't think your ACC is as stable as many believe it to be. 5 years will separate a lot of wheat from an even larger amount of chaff. Texas and Oklahoma can afford to wait, especially if by doing so it frees them from little brothers.

Agreed, Jr. Congrats on your bowl win.

(01-01-2016 02:14 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  Texas by being stubborn (again) has now placed the onus on the SEC.

Eh, the SEC doesn't have to expand just yet. I think it's time to sit back and let nature take its course. Face it XLance, Carolina screwed up the first time around, and now is potentially damaged goods.

Texas is just being smart. I don't think your ACC is as stable as many believe it to be. 5 years will separate a lot of wheat from an even larger amount of chaff. Texas and Oklahoma can afford to wait, especially if by doing so it frees them from little brothers.

Agreed, Jr. Congrats on your bowl win.

Thanks. It was a satisfactory way to end a disappointing season. Still, I felt sorry for Memphis. When your coach and staff are gutted before your bowl it takes away from the enjoyment of what you have accomplished and the expectation of the bowl. I thought that Memphis was emotionally drained. So the size difference for Auburn took over.

Right now most of our fans have no idea what we will put on the field next year. I think Gus has proven very difficult for most coordinators to work with, especially the defensive ones.

I hope Missouri settles in, gains some great recruits and helps to bolster the East. If Georgia can get it together and Florida improves and Tennessee continues to build we may achieve some divisional balance again. Have a Happy New Year Medic, and a blessed one!

(01-01-2016 01:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 02:14 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  Texas by being stubborn (again) has now placed the onus on the SEC.

Eh, the SEC doesn't have to expand just yet. I think it's time to sit back and let nature take its course. Face it XLance, Carolina screwed up the first time around, and now is potentially damaged goods.

Texas is just being smart. I don't think your ACC is as stable as many believe it to be. 5 years will separate a lot of wheat from an even larger amount of chaff. Texas and Oklahoma can afford to wait, especially if by doing so it frees them from little brothers.

Agreed, Jr. Congrats on your bowl win.

Thanks. It was a satisfactory way to end a disappointing season. Still, I felt sorry for Memphis. When your coach and staff are gutted before your bowl it takes away from the enjoyment of what you have accomplished and the expectation of the bowl. I thought that Memphis was emotionally drained. So the size difference for Auburn took over.

Right now most of our fans have no idea what we will put on the field next year. I think Gus has proven very difficult for most coordinators to work with, especially the defensive ones.

I hope Missouri settles in, gains some great recruits and helps to bolster the East. If Georgia can get it together and Florida improves and Tennessee continues to build we may achieve some divisional balance again. Have a Happy New Year Medic, and a blessed one!

The east could have hanged their hat on Florida but their QB was suspended for a year for PEDs and transfered without a decent backup. Spurrier needed to go, as did Richt. The East has a chance to rebuild the right way.

(01-01-2016 10:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 02:14 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  Texas by being stubborn (again) has now placed the onus on the SEC.

Eh, the SEC doesn't have to expand just yet. I think it's time to sit back and let nature take its course. Face it XLance, Carolina screwed up the first time around, and now is potentially damaged goods.

Texas is just being smart. I don't think your ACC is as stable as many believe it to be. 5 years will separate a lot of wheat from an even larger amount of chaff. Texas and Oklahoma can afford to wait, especially if by doing so it frees them from little brothers.

Agreed, Jr. Congrats on your bowl win.

Thanks. It was a satisfactory way to end a disappointing season. Still, I felt sorry for Memphis. When your coach and staff are gutted before your bowl it takes away from the enjoyment of what you have accomplished and the expectation of the bowl. I thought that Memphis was emotionally drained. So the size difference for Auburn took over.

Right now most of our fans have no idea what we will put on the field next year. I think Gus has proven very difficult for most coordinators to work with, especially the defensive ones.

I hope Missouri settles in, gains some great recruits and helps to bolster the East. If Georgia can get it together and Florida improves and Tennessee continues to build we may achieve some divisional balance again. Have a Happy New Year Medic, and a blessed one!

The east could have hanged their hat on Florida but their QB was suspended for a year for PEDs and transfered without a decent backup. Spurrier needed to go, as did Richt. The East has a chance to rebuild the right way.

I totally agree. Tennessee holds promise too.

With all the complaints about the ratings of the CFP semifinal games I wonder if that was done on purpose in order to prepare people for further changes in composition down the line. Sounds conspiratorial, sure, but I don't think the powers-that-be could be that dense. We'll see what the ratings are next season before we could have a good guess...

(01-02-2016 09:07 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  With all the complaints about the ratings of the CFP semifinal games I wonder if that was done on purpose in order to prepare people for further changes in composition down the line. Sounds conspiratorial, sure, but I don't think the powers-that-be could be that dense. We'll see what the ratings are next season before we could have a good guess...

The ratings issue had nothing to do with the match ups and everything to do with having them played on New Year's Eve afternoon and night. It is still a night of high activity other than sports watching. Too many couldn't get off from work for the Clemson/Oklahoma game and too many had parties to go to for the Michigan State/Alabama game. Next year it falls on a Saturday and I highly doubt we have a ratings problem.