You even cheat in men's soccer and women's hoops??

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...tions-case

They is amazing.

I grew up in Charlotte and heard a constant barrage of accusations of Clemson doing things like this. Funny how nothing of that nature ever came out of Clemson and UNC wasn't so high and mighty after all.

Waiting for UNC fans to assure us that nothing happened while simultaneously telling us this is the last of it to be uncovered.

Worst. Cheating. Scandal. Ever. Not even up for debate.

Ahh that's the plan, as they get close to a resolution they submit more violations so they will never be punished. Them folks in Chapel Hill are smart.

(08-14-2015 10:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Waiting for UNC fans to assure us that nothing happened while simultaneously telling us this is the last of it to be uncovered.

Worst. Cheating. Scandal. Ever. Not even up for debate.

You forgot, "everybody does it, we just got caught."

What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

I wonder how many UNC fans felt that way when Clemson players were being punished for things they had nothing to do with back in the 1980's?

It's amazing how much different things look from the other side of the aisle, isn't it?

In before Kaplony reminds us UNC lead the vote for EXTRA sanctions against Clemson from the ACC above and beyond what the NCAA did, and how there is no way in hell that will happen to UNC now for far worse.

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

Because the school itself is filthy dirty, from the academic counseling staff all the way up to head coaches, administration, and for that matter, the head of the ACC, who was AD at UNC when the whole scandal began...during Dean Smith's tenure.

The athletics program at UNC needs to be blown up & begun from scratch.

Sorry kids, if you aren't smart enough to have read a newspaper over the past 5 years and know that accepting an athletic scholarship to UNC could mean your sport is put on probation, then you probably aren't smart enough to be going to college anyway.

(08-16-2015 11:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

I wonder how many UNC fans felt that way when Clemson players were being punished for things they had nothing to do with back in the 1980's?

It's amazing how much different things look from the other side of the aisle, isn't it?

Calm down cowboy. I've always felt this way so take your moral high ground crap to somebody else.

(08-17-2015 09:37 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

Because the school itself is filthy dirty, from the academic counseling staff all the way up to head coaches, administration, and for that matter, the head of the ACC, who was AD at UNC when the whole scandal began...during Dean Smith's tenure.

The athletics program at UNC needs to be blown up & begun from scratch.

Sorry kids, if you aren't smart enough to have read a newspaper over the past 5 years and know that accepting an athletic scholarship to UNC could mean your sport is put on probation, then you probably aren't smart enough to be going to college anyway.

Yes the athletic department is in the process of a great purge, but it can't happen overnight. The school itself is relatively unaffected by the athletic department. Or are you not sure how universities actually work? I have actually worked in academia, and I never had any contact with the athletic department. The majority of students are not student athletes, and that's what most of these anti-UNC zealots are not understanding.

Well, NC maybe talking to the SEC for real.

Remember the old SEC slogan, "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"!

Just an idea.

(08-17-2015 09:53 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:37 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

Because the school itself is filthy dirty, from the academic counseling staff all the way up to head coaches, administration, and for that matter, the head of the ACC, who was AD at UNC when the whole scandal began...during Dean Smith's tenure.

The athletics program at UNC needs to be blown up & begun from scratch.

Sorry kids, if you aren't smart enough to have read a newspaper over the past 5 years and know that accepting an athletic scholarship to UNC could mean your sport is put on probation, then you probably aren't smart enough to be going to college anyway.

Yes the athletic department is in the process of a great purge, but it can't happen overnight. The school itself is relatively unaffected by the athletic department. Or are you not sure how universities actually work? I have actually worked in academia, and I never had any contact with the athletic department. The majority of students are not student athletes, and that's what most of these anti-UNC zealots are not understanding.

SACS says hello: http://www.wral.com/accrediting-organiza.../14704731/

The academic fraud begun to keep men's basketball players eligible has UNC on 12 month probation. I'd say the school is very affected by the athletic department.

(08-17-2015 11:07 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:53 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:37 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

Because the school itself is filthy dirty, from the academic counseling staff all the way up to head coaches, administration, and for that matter, the head of the ACC, who was AD at UNC when the whole scandal began...during Dean Smith's tenure.

The athletics program at UNC needs to be blown up & begun from scratch.

Sorry kids, if you aren't smart enough to have read a newspaper over the past 5 years and know that accepting an athletic scholarship to UNC could mean your sport is put on probation, then you probably aren't smart enough to be going to college anyway.

Yes the athletic department is in the process of a great purge, but it can't happen overnight. The school itself is relatively unaffected by the athletic department. Or are you not sure how universities actually work? I have actually worked in academia, and I never had any contact with the athletic department. The majority of students are not student athletes, and that's what most of these anti-UNC zealots are not understanding.

SACS says hello: http://www.wral.com/accrediting-organiza.../14704731/

The academic fraud begun to keep men's basketball players eligible has UNC on 12 month probation. I'd say the school is very affected by the athletic department.

This is the first I've heard of this. It doesn't give much detail as far as what can actually happen though. I'm sure prospective music school students are not going to be deterred by this. It's a large state university, a lot can go wrong, and a lot goes right as well.

(08-15-2015 08:27 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Ahh that's the plan, as they get close to a resolution they submit more violations so they will never be punished. Them folks in Chapel Hill are smart.

UNC should add a sport and report recruiting violations a few days later.

Didn't this mess start when Swofford was at UNC?

(08-16-2015 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  What are the violations? Could be minor things unrelated to the previous stuff. I'm all for taking away wins, but why does the NCAA insist on punishing kids that had nothing to do with it?

Are you "all for" taking away the basketball wins against Michigan State on April 6, 2009, against Michigan State on April 4, 2005, and against Michigan on April 5, 1993? Are you "all for" UNC-CH taking down the banners and publicly acknowledging they were illegitimately earned with ineligible players who didn't actually have to go to school, unlike what the other basketball players in the ACC and the rest of the NCAA had to do? Will UNC-CH do that? I think such a public acknowledgement would actually go a long way, and would be better for UNC-CH athletics in the long run. Fat chance, though. Carolina Way.

The "kids who had nothing to do with it" don't have to attend UNC-CH. If they're being offered athletic scholarships by UNC-CH, they're likely getting offers from other places too. If they attend UNC-CH thinking that UNC-CH isn't going to suffer major sanctions during their college career, that's on the UNC-CH coaches, who should be more honest with them. I've found in my life and career that honesty is the best policy, but also that sometimes dishonesty works for some people for awhile. Hopefully whatever comes down at UNC-CH will include unrestricted transfers for the kids, like at Penn State, which was an equivalent situation..

If they were ineligible, then yes, that is the rule.

To address your second point, I don't believe the NCAA has the best interests of college athletes and I don't believe in banning current players from the postseason that may be going into their senior year. Losing scholarships is one thing, but punishing innocent kids is not the way to handle old violations.

(08-23-2015 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  If they were ineligible, then yes, that is the rule.

To address your second point, I don't believe the NCAA has the best interests of college athletes and I don't believe in banning current players from the postseason that may be going into their senior year. Losing scholarships is one thing, but punishing innocent kids is not the way to handle old violations.

On this we agree.
Take away scholarships. Ban crooked coaches. But don't punish the innocent.