And now this...

"But the timing basically ensures UNC won't be punished before National Signing Day for football or the 2016 NCAA Tournament, meaning Roy Williams' Tar Heels, a possible preseason No. 1, now run almost no risk of being banned from this upcoming season's postseason. In other words, in a twisted way, these newly discovered potential violations could prove helpful to the sports that matter most in Chapel Hill.

North Carolina notified the NCAA about the additional violations earlier this week.

UNC now has 60 days to complete an additional review of the new violations. The NCAA will then determine whether UNC's notice of allegations needs to be amended and resubmitted. If that happens, UNC would then have 90 days from that date to respond."

I don't typically condone negative recruiting but with how UNC has handled this if I were going against them the first thing I would do is put a binder full of articles about their academic fraud in the hands of every recruit and their parents.

(08-19-2015 04:22 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  • Women's basketball counselor Jan Boxill provided improper assistance by sometimes adding content to athletes' papers and recommended a grade for submitted work in at least one case.

Jan Boxill was also director of UNC's Parr Center for Ethics.

(08-19-2015 05:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't typically condone negative recruiting but with how UNC has handled this if I were going against them the first thing I would do is put a binder full of articles about their academic fraud in the hands of every recruit and their parents.

You do realize that, for some of these kids (at least), that would not fall into the category of "negative recruiting."

Just saying, a good portion of these kids have no serious intention or interest of getting an actual diploma. In fact, if the NCAA dropped the whole "APR" (Academic Progress Rates) metric, I think you'd see a whole lot of kids return to jumping to the pros without ever achieving a diploma.

Professional Sports is what these kids end up at a place like UNC for, not to get an education. You could actually make a case that the NCAA is behind the reason the fraud goes on because the NCAA makes the programs try and force kids through to the diploma instead of allowing them just to audition for the pro ranks and jump without ever achieving graduation status.

(08-19-2015 05:36 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 04:22 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  • Women's basketball counselor Jan Boxill provided improper assistance by sometimes adding content to athletes' papers and recommended a grade for submitted work in at least one case.

Jan Boxill was also director of UNC's Parr Center for Ethics.

Cue Alanis Morrisette.

(08-19-2015 05:49 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 05:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't typically condone negative recruiting but with how UNC has handled this if I were going against them the first thing I would do is put a binder full of articles about their academic fraud in the hands of every recruit and their parents.

You do realize that, for some of these kids (at least), that would not fall into the category of "negative recruiting."

Just saying, a good portion of these kids have no serious intention or interest of getting an actual diploma. In fact, if the NCAA dropped the whole "APR" (Academic Progress Rates) metric, I think you'd see a whole lot of kids return to jumping to the pros without ever achieving a diploma.

Professional Sports is what these kids end up at a place like UNC for, not to get an education. You could actually make a case that the NCAA is behind the reason the fraud goes on because the NCAA makes the programs try and force kids through to the diploma instead of allowing them just to audition for the pro ranks and jump without ever achieving graduation status.

What unc has done for many years now deserves a serious punishment if not the "death penalty". They have consistently used ineligible athletes and seriously harmed the reputation of their academics and overall perception. Ask the UNC grads who know about this and are honest...they are 100% embarrassed.

But, the powers that be will sweep this under the carpet and they will come out smelling a bit dirty but like roses none the less. You watch. The Teflon Heels.

(08-19-2015 05:49 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 05:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't typically condone negative recruiting but with how UNC has handled this if I were going against them the first thing I would do is put a binder full of articles about their academic fraud in the hands of every recruit and their parents.

You do realize that, for some of these kids (at least), that would not fall into the category of "negative recruiting."

Just saying, a good portion of these kids have no serious intention or interest of getting an actual diploma. In fact, if the NCAA dropped the whole "APR" (Academic Progress Rates) metric, I think you'd see a whole lot of kids return to jumping to the pros without ever achieving a diploma.

Professional Sports is what these kids end up at a place like UNC for, not to get an education. You could actually make a case that the NCAA is behind the reason the fraud goes on because the NCAA makes the programs try and force kids through to the diploma instead of allowing them just to audition for the pro ranks and jump without ever achieving graduation status.

Agree 100% with this. The whole damn system is a joke. Kids should be able to go pro out of HS. College sports ahlould only be for kids that can make the grades too, no exceptions.

(08-16-2015 06:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St?

Good point.

(08-20-2015 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 06:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St?

Good point.

Title 9 issues which can caused Florida State to lose government funded and all that. With the funds from the government, their research department will be closed down mostly. They could become like Boise State when some of their research departments being shut down. Baylor is also going to go down.

(08-22-2015 07:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 06:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St?

Good point.

Title 9 issues which can caused Florida State to lose government funded and all that. With the funds from the government, their research department will be closed down mostly. They could become like Boise State when some of their research departments being shut down. Baylor is also going to go down.

That's exactly right, those are the rules. And it's extremely unlikely to happen.

From the Tea Party to Occupy to BlackLivesMatter to Hillary, there's one powerful connecting theme: The rules don't apply the same way to everyone.

Universities are as likely to face Title IX sanctions or accreditation issues as Wall Street bankers are to see prison time. They are too big to jail: they'll have their well-paid flacks whine about the poor, poor students whose education will unfairly suffer and no admin will miss a single high-six-figure paycheck.