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RE: CBS bowl projections for this season
but those are the rules. Sorry you don't like them but oh well. They aren't changing.
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Absolutely they'll change.

Four FBS wins gets in over five FBS wins? Nice try.


Just give it time.
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If it's 1 team, it's not going to change. no matter how ******* much you want to change it, it's not going to change. Sorry
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(08-21-2015 12:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If it's 1 team, it's not going to change. no matter how ******* much you want to change it, it's not going to change. Sorry

You don't need to apologize for your own shortsightedness.

A four year old knows that five FBS wins > four FBS wins. If and when the right programs and conferences get screwed by the existing rule, it's a done deal.

No matter how much you don't want it to change ... because I want it to change. Since that's the only reason I can think of for you so vehemently arguing against it.
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dude it's been ******* going on for years and there's been NO change. Delaney wanted to make it 7 wins for bowl eligibility. You act like it's not been going on in the past years. It has. I mean Detroit had a Big Ten tie, and they had a Big Ten team in like 2 of 6 years I think it was. So sorry but that's reality.

Also you do realize that this is in the event that there aren't enough bowl eligible teams. So it's only if there aren't like 80 teams 6-6 or better. It's not happened yet, and with the way teams schedule, it probably won't happen.
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also you do realize that a 5-7 team could have only 4 FBS wins as well.
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You're conflating with the discussion from the other thread.

I don't know how old the rule requiring 6 wins (with 1 FCS win allowed) is, but I'm guessing that since that rule has been in place there has never been an FBS team in a bowl game that had fewer than five FBS wins.


But now we're talking about FBS teams getting into bowl games with four FBS wins. And I'm suggesting that such teams are less deserving than 5-7 teams with five FBS wins.

That is the specific context of this discussion, in this thread.
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(08-12-2015 09:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Interesting that he has 3 BigTen teams inContract / Access bowls.

Ohio ST in playoffs
Wisc in Rose.
Mich St in Peach

Wisconsin has a tough schedule this year... Don't see it happening.
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(08-24-2015 03:01 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're conflating with the discussion from the other thread.

I don't know how old the rule requiring 6 wins (with 1 FCS win allowed) is, but I'm guessing that since that rule has been in place there has never been an FBS team in a bowl game that had fewer than five FBS wins.


But now we're talking about FBS teams getting into bowl games with four FBS wins. And I'm suggesting that such teams are less deserving than 5-7 teams with five FBS wins.

That is the specific context of this discussion, in this thread.

you might think it, but when the NCAA put in the contingency plans they didn't even distinguish the 5-7 teams in their guidelines. It's just the top 5-7 teams by APR scores. But those 5-7 teams are way down the totem pole quite frankly.

It's-
#1 6-6 teams who have wins against 1 FCS team(regardless of # of scholarships)
#2 6-6 teams who have 2 FCS wins
#3 6-7 team that play 13 games- like Hawaii
#4 FCS teams who are making the move to FBS with at least a 6-6 record
#5 5-7 teams with a top 5 APR

So the NCAA has made it pretty clear what they feel the guidelines should be. This policy started 3 years ago- and hasn't changed at all.

As far as how old the rule with 6 wins- it's always been in place. Teams ALWAYS needed 6 wins to go bowling. They put the 6-6 rule in place when we went to 12 games. Before you had to have a winning record.
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(08-24-2015 04:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 03:01 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're conflating with the discussion from the other thread.

I don't know how old the rule requiring 6 wins (with 1 FCS win allowed) is, but I'm guessing that since that rule has been in place there has never been an FBS team in a bowl game that had fewer than five FBS wins.


But now we're talking about FBS teams getting into bowl games with four FBS wins. And I'm suggesting that such teams are less deserving than 5-7 teams with five FBS wins.

That is the specific context of this discussion, in this thread.

you might think it, but when the NCAA put in the contingency plans they didn't even distinguish the 5-7 teams in their guidelines. It's just the top 5-7 teams by APR scores. But those 5-7 teams are way down the totem pole quite frankly.

It's-
#1 6-6 teams who have wins against 1 FCS team(regardless of # of scholarships)
#2 6-6 teams who have 2 FCS wins
#3 6-7 team that play 13 games- like Hawaii
#4 FCS teams who are making the move to FBS with at least a 6-6 record
#5 5-7 teams with a top 5 APR

So the NCAA has made it pretty clear what they feel the guidelines should be. This policy started 3 years ago- and hasn't changed at all.

As far as how old the rule with 6 wins- it's always been in place. Teams ALWAYS needed 6 wins to go bowling. They put the 6-6 rule in place when we went to 12 games. Before you had to have a winning record.

You give the NCAA way too much credit. It was a knee-jerk patch, to something that happened that season.

I guarantee they didn't sit down and say "in the event that there aren't enough teams with 6 wins, including a win against a qualifying FCS team ... let's make darn sure that we put teams with four FBS wins above teams with five FBS wins!"


Those rules are really meaningless. And we'll find that out soon enough, when the power conference stop scheduling FCS and start playing more games amonst the P5.
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It wasn't a knee-jerk patch. It was a thing with the # of bowl games increasing, what to do if there wasn't enough bowl teams. It also was in 2012 which was the year that Ohio St and Penn St was both ineligible for bowls so there was a real valid thought that there wouldn't be enough teams.
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(08-24-2015 03:33 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Interesting that he has 3 BigTen teams inContract / Access bowls.

Ohio ST in playoffs
Wisc in Rose.
Mich St in Peach

Wisconsin has a tough schedule this year... Don't see it happening.

Tough schedule? Yes, they open with Alabama, but that game can only count as one loss. After that they have 3 weak OOC opponents, Troy (a 25 pt underdog to NC State in week 1), Miami (Ohio) and Hawaii, all at home.

In conference they play Iowa, Nebraska, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern and Minnesota. That may be the weakest schedule in the Big Ten. Get by Nebraska and you could have one loss going into the B1G CCG, where a loss to either Ohio State or Michigan State probably won't hurt much in the eyes of the committee.

If Michigan State doesn't make the CCG, they could well have no more than two losses, and if those are to Oregon and Ohio State it's very possible the committee gives them a third bid.

At this point, nobody has played a down, so it's all speculation. But three bids for the B1G isn't as outrageous as one might think when you look at the schedule.
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That's the thing Bison that you do not get. When they made the contingency plans if not enough teams qualified for bowls, that's when Penn St and Ohio St were going to be out that season. If it meant anything to Delaney, he would have fought tooth and nail for 5-7 teams to be eligible- to protect the Big Ten there if you will. But the fact is, he didn't. He just didn't. That should show you how totally unimportant that is to him and the Big Ten.
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(08-24-2015 04:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 03:01 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're conflating with the discussion from the other thread.

I don't know how old the rule requiring 6 wins (with 1 FCS win allowed) is, but I'm guessing that since that rule has been in place there has never been an FBS team in a bowl game that had fewer than five FBS wins.


But now we're talking about FBS teams getting into bowl games with four FBS wins. And I'm suggesting that such teams are less deserving than 5-7 teams with five FBS wins.

That is the specific context of this discussion, in this thread.

you might think it, but when the NCAA put in the contingency plans they didn't even distinguish the 5-7 teams in their guidelines. It's just the top 5-7 teams by APR scores. But those 5-7 teams are way down the totem pole quite frankly.

It's-
#1 6-6 teams who have wins against 1 FCS team(regardless of # of scholarships)
#2 6-6 teams who have 2 FCS wins
#3 6-7 team that play 13 games- like Hawaii
#4 FCS teams who are making the move to FBS with at least a 6-6 record
#5 5-7 teams with a top 5 APR

So the NCAA has made it pretty clear what they feel the guidelines should be. This policy started 3 years ago- and hasn't changed at all.

As far as how old the rule with 6 wins- it's always been in place. Teams ALWAYS needed 6 wins to go bowling. They put the 6-6 rule in place when we went to 12 games. Before you had to have a winning record.

6 win rule was adopted 1989 or 1988.
North Texas went bowling in 2001 with five wins because the contingency rule of the day said a conference champ wasn't subject to the 6 win rule.
Sun Belt opted to send five win North Texas over eight win co-champ MTSU because UNT had won the head-to-head tiebreaker. The next year they changed the rule to make the first tie-breaker bowl eligibility. That gave Arkansas State the 2005 New Orleans Bowl (played in Lafayette, LA due to Katrina). There was a three-way tie and ULM had five wins so they were out, that left AState and ULL, AState had won head-to-head.
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(08-24-2015 10:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's the thing Bison that you do not get. When they made the contingency plans if not enough teams qualified for bowls, that's when Penn St and Ohio St were going to be out that season. If it meant anything to Delaney, he would have fought tooth and nail for 5-7 teams to be eligible- to protect the Big Ten there if you will. But the fact is, he didn't. He just didn't. That should show you how totally unimportant that is to him and the Big Ten.

When there was some talk of moving the bar to seven Delany was one of the first on the bandwagon.

Now a couple days later he walked that back and said there should be an exemption for 6-6 schools that hadn't played in a bowl in the previous year, presumably because some of the less successful B1G schools didn't like the idea.
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(08-24-2015 10:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's the thing Bison that you do not get. When they made the contingency plans if not enough teams qualified for bowls, that's when Penn St and Ohio St were going to be out that season. If it meant anything to Delaney, he would have fought tooth and nail for 5-7 teams to be eligible- to protect the Big Ten there if you will. But the fact is, he didn't. He just didn't. That should show you how totally unimportant that is to him and the Big Ten.

That's because every Big Ten could get to six wins by beating five FBS teams and one FCS team.

Now he's no longer allowing FCS teams to be scheduled. Thus, B1G teams that were eligible with 5/1 wins will only have 5 wins.

And you think he'll sit idly by while those teams are beat out by teams with only four FBS wins but two FCS wins?

Not gonna happen.
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The thing you don't understand, this is going to be such an anomaly it's not funny. as such, I don't think he's going to care a bit if once in a blue moon a 5-7 team stays home while a 6-6 team with 2 FCS wins goes bowling. Also, quite frankly the 2 FCS games thing is such an anomaly it's not funny. I think less than 5 teams have that this year.
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(08-25-2015 05:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing you don't understand, this is going to be such an anomaly it's not funny. as such, I don't think he's going to care a bit if once in a blue moon a 5-7 team stays home while a 6-6 team with 2 FCS wins goes bowling. Also, quite frankly the 2 FCS games thing is such an anomaly it's not funny. I think less than 5 teams have that this year.

In other words, you know that I'm right in principle.

Rather than admit it, you claim that it won't happen (which I can't disprove, until it does).


As I've said many times, we're entering a new era of scheduling, particularly for the B1G. You can sit there and say it's a moot point. I know better.
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Even in the unlikely event that it happens, its also unlikely to directly affect the Big Ten, given that its just a subset of the 5-7 schools that are in that list.

And then if it did happen, before starting a fight to change the rule, there'd have to be a view that it would happen again frequently enough to be worth fighting over.

That's substantially different from the 7-5, 7-5 and 6-6 that were ineligible last year, and 6-6, each of which would regularly change the number of Big Ten schools eligible ... and so change the number of bowls that the Big Ten could sponsor, going ahead.
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the best case scenario for 5-7 teams is they get moved ahead of the contingency line. That's it. It's not going to be 5-7 teams getting in over 6-6 teams who only have 1 FCS win. Sorry- but there is no appetite at all for LOSING teams to go bowling. let me repeat-- they are LOSING teams. You Bison are the only person around that wants the LOSING Teams to go bowling. You and only you.
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