(08-12-2015 01:19 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  As a big soccer fan, I've thought about this a fair amount and it's something I'd like to see, I don't think you'd necessarily have to pair conferences, another approach could be to divide the country into regions in both FCS and FBS, and promote/relegate the same number of schools within each region. Every region has it's individual rankings in the "college football promotion/relegation poll"

For simplicity call it south, northeast, midwest, west. Promote/relegate 4 out of each region, 16/128(12.5%, fairly close to the commonly found 3/20 15% in soccer) if the relegated schools are all G5 they would simply switch places with the FCS schools, in the case of a P5 school getting relegated, the highest rated G5 school in the region takes that spot and the promoted FCS school fills the G5 spot.

I don't know what the time period should be and the best version of this plan probably involves turning over scheduling to a governing body, which also would never happen. I'm not even saying my plan is a better one, that's the fun thing about hypotheticals with zero shot of happening, all the ideas have equal shot of happening, so I don't see much point in debating the relative merit of different ideas.

On a related note, ask me about my plan to ween the MLB off the farm system and onto promotion/relegation over three years. Ultimately there would still be the equivalent of AAA in the form of reserve teams, but they would be members of the major league club, but over the three years you can protect less and less of your minor league players, each year the unprotected players go through a quick limited waiver like period, before going into a minor league draft where the soon to be independent clubs can begin transitioning their rosters into their own players.

Or about starting a MLS2 with the purpose of eventually growing it to a promotion/relegation system. Set a cap on the MLS somewhere between 24 and 30 and set an incremental expansion plan, when accepting applications for the final X number of spots also make a second application for 12 MLS2 spots with a different criteria(expandable stadium among other things), cities can apply for both or just one. If a city wants to go big or go home, they are welcome to, if a city knows they aren't MLS ready, but believes they are MLS2 ready they can do that.

Another fantastic idea.

(08-12-2015 09:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 12:50 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 11:57 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's just another form of fantasy football. If this happened, I think Marshall would play in the Big 10 and would be replaced for one season by Sam Houston St.

I say SEC...

If this were to happen the P5 conferences would have to be paired with the G5 conferences. Pac12 and MWC obviously pair as well as the B1G and the Mac. AAC is the most eastern based G5 so that gets the ACC. From there CUSA and Sunbelt could be paired with either SEC or Big 12. I would say pair CUSA with SEC and Sunbelt for Big12. It would also have to be limited to 1A because of the scholarship differences between 1A and 1AA. Say 2 teams are relegated and 2 teams are promoted between each group here is what the results would look like for last year.

AAC - ACC
Memphis and Cincinnati promoted while Syracuse and Wake Forest are relegated.

B1G - Mac
Northern Illinois and Toledo are promoted while Indiana and Purdue are relegated.

Big 12 - Sunbelt
Georgia Southern and ULL are promoted while Iowa State and Kansas are relegated.

Pac12 - MWC
Boise and Colorado State are promoted while Oregon State and Washington State are relegated.

SEC - CUSA
Marshall and La Tech are promoted while Vanderbilt and Kentucky are relegated.

That's not bad. What about Big 10?

B1G is the Big 10 and they were paired with the Mac.

(08-12-2015 11:14 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:23 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 12:50 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 11:57 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's just another form of fantasy football. If this happened, I think Marshall would play in the Big 10 and would be replaced for one season by Sam Houston St.

I say SEC...

If this were to happen the P5 conferences would have to be paired with the G5 conferences. Pac12 and MWC obviously pair as well as the B1G and the Mac. AAC is the most eastern based G5 so that gets the ACC. From there CUSA and Sunbelt could be paired with either SEC or Big 12. I would say pair CUSA with SEC and Sunbelt for Big12. It would also have to be limited to 1A because of the scholarship differences between 1A and 1AA. Say 2 teams are relegated and 2 teams are promoted between each group here is what the results would look like for last year.

AAC - ACC
Memphis and Cincinnati promoted while Syracuse and Wake Forest are relegated.

B1G - Mac
Northern Illinois and Toledo are promoted while Indiana and Purdue are relegated.

Big 12 - Sunbelt
Georgia Southern and ULL are promoted while Iowa State and Kansas are relegated.

Pac12 - MWC
Boise and Colorado State are promoted while Oregon State and Washington State are relegated.

SEC - CUSA
Marshall and La Tech are promoted while Vanderbilt and Kentucky are relegated.

That's not bad. What about Big 10?

B1G is the Big 10 and they were paired with the Mac.

Oh I must have missed that. My bad.

(08-11-2015 12:33 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-10-2015 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-10-2015 11:27 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  At one point in time, I was intrigued by promotion/relegation. However, I've seen too many stories in recent years that promotion/relegation would have prevented...

Remember when Auburn went from last in the SEC to undefeated national champions in one season?
Or UCF going winless in the MAC in 2004, to CUSA East Champions the next year...
Or Southern Miss being a Top 25 conference champion one day in 2011, to not winning more than 5 total games in the three years since...
Or Memphis going from AAC football joke to conference champion this past season?

College football rosters change by about 25% annually. It's a bigger turnover than the pros, where the Boston RedSox has gone on a last, first, last, World Series champions, and last place finishes in consecutive seasons. Team fortunes can and do change wildly.

Promotion/relegation creates drama, but doesn't promote fairness or real opportunities. Student athletes chose a school and an opportunity to compete at a certain level that their talent allows. Why should that change because one person dropped that game winning pass last year?

That is an excellent point and it begs the question as to why P5 schools should even have to pay G5 or FCS schools in the first place.

You do realize all games involve payment right? Not just P5 vs G5.

They all involve payment but P5 vs G5 usually involve more money as they are for 1 and dones or 3 for 1 type deals. The money is not substantial when it's P5 vs P5 one for one. No need to fork out 1million dollars just to get back the following year. So the big paydays show up more between different subdivisions that aren't offering a fair deal otherwise. $$ money becomes the compensation.