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(08-11-2015 08:24 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Did anybody here suggest that they felt sorry for Moss? Terry said it's too bad he got involved. And it is. I think we all feel he needs to be held responsible.

It's not "too bad" that he got caught stealing! It's a criminal act!!! You all make it seem like it was some sort of unfortunate turn of events!!!

We all who? A quick review of prior posts shows exactly no one saying "poor Justin" and nearly everyone saying we're glad he's gone and that no one but Moss was at fault. One guy shows a little empathy- good for Terry. It's always a shame to see someone make bad decisions.
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Yes, but the cops didn't catch him in the act and the victims declined to press charges.

Quote:..the case was turned over to the Student-Wide Judiciary, which handles student misconduct.

It's being handled. Nothing more anyone can do.
08-11-2015 08:39 PM
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(08-11-2015 08:35 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:24 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Did anybody here suggest that they felt sorry for Moss? Terry said it's too bad he got involved. And it is. I think we all feel he needs to be held responsible.

It's not "too bad" that he got caught stealing! It's a criminal act!!! You all make it seem like it was some sort of unfortunate turn of events!!!

We all who? A quick review of prior posts shows exactly no one saying "poor Justin" and nearly everyone saying we're glad he's gone and that no one but Moss was at fault. One guy shows a little empathy- good for Terry. It's always a shame to see someone make bad decisions.

"Bull in Exile" and others' comments regarding the situation implied sympathy for the perpetrator. Therefore the correct pleural pronoun is "you all".
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RE: Buffalo basketball players in trouble
(08-11-2015 08:50 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:35 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:24 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Did anybody here suggest that they felt sorry for Moss? Terry said it's too bad he got involved. And it is. I think we all feel he needs to be held responsible.

It's not "too bad" that he got caught stealing! It's a criminal act!!! You all make it seem like it was some sort of unfortunate turn of events!!!

We all who? A quick review of prior posts shows exactly no one saying "poor Justin" and nearly everyone saying we're glad he's gone and that no one but Moss was at fault. One guy shows a little empathy- good for Terry. It's always a shame to see someone make bad decisions.

"Bull in Exile" and others' comments regarding the situation implied sympathy for the perpetrator. Therefore the correct pleural pronoun is "you all".

Ah, I see. Well, hey, I'm just a poor, dumb psych major who never found meaningful or renumerative employment. I don't know nothing about pleural pronouns. 03-wink. BTW, think you inferred, I'm not sure they implied.
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(08-11-2015 08:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Did anybody here suggest that they felt sorry for Moss? Terry said it's too bad he got involved. And it is. I think we all feel he needs to be held responsible.

Not trying to get into the fray here but

Quote:Too bad Moss was part of this last endeavor.

That does sound a "sympathetic" stance to me. Him as opposed to who? "Thug" Over-used but I don't see the objection to the use here. I am reading an apologetic tone, as if his "stealing" is medical. Perhaps but then we do get into a whole lot of semantics, when is it and when isn't it and should a person with now two serious medical conditions be concentrating on them or on B-Ball....

So what was intended with the responses and what is interpreted, I can only speak for one side of one interpreter.


I don't see much proper response beyond, "why is he still on their team?"
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(08-12-2015 05:24 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I don't see much proper response beyond, "why is he still on their team?"

C'mon eastisbest. That's so easy even Redwingtom, Flipper, and Factman know the answer to that - he's the reigning MAC POY. 02-13-banana
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(08-11-2015 06:45 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 03:58 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  From the Bull Run web site:

Outside of his problems with stealing he is a model campus citizen and a stand up guy.

If this was a "paying, normal" student, how would it have been handled???? I'm guessing differently.

Keep guessing. I believe most students who stole 600$, gave it back, and were not subject to criminal chargers would be given community service.
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(08-11-2015 08:50 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:35 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:24 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Did anybody here suggest that they felt sorry for Moss? Terry said it's too bad he got involved. And it is. I think we all feel he needs to be held responsible.

It's not "too bad" that he got caught stealing! It's a criminal act!!! You all make it seem like it was some sort of unfortunate turn of events!!!

We all who? A quick review of prior posts shows exactly no one saying "poor Justin" and nearly everyone saying we're glad he's gone and that no one but Moss was at fault. One guy shows a little empathy- good for Terry. It's always a shame to see someone make bad decisions.

"Bull in Exile" and others' comments regarding the situation implied sympathy for the perpetrator. Therefore the correct pleural pronoun is "you all".

I said what now?

"What Justin Moss, Raheem Johnson, and Mory Diane did was wrong. It was stupid beyond belief and in committing the thefts they dishonored themselves, their team, and their school. I will not make any excuses for the actions taken because there is literally no excuse for putting your future in jeopardy over 650 dollars in cash and jewelry."

Just because I don't want him executed does not mean I have sympathy for his situation. I just don't believe this is as serious as getting behind the wheel of a car after tipping back a few beers.
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Bottom-line... any student caught doing a "criminal act" should be dismissed from school. The scholarship students are there on our or in this case the NY tax payer's dime. High standards should be expected with zero exceptions.
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RE: Buffalo basketball players in trouble
(08-12-2015 08:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 06:45 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 03:58 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  From the Bull Run web site:

Outside of his problems with stealing he is a model campus citizen and a stand up guy.

If this was a "paying, normal" student, how would it have been handled???? I'm guessing differently.

Keep guessing. I believe most students who stole 600$, gave it back, and were not subject to criminal chargers would be given community service.


I think I would have included the "were caught" part between the $ and the "gave," as pertinent to my assessment and came to a different conclusion.

Not sure Athletes, fairly or unfairly are judged ONLY on student-judiciary. Even if SJ permits retention, the AD's office can quite honestly do otherwise. In this case, I honestly believe they should be gone from athletics. There are other options in life like concentrating on the UB degree.
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(08-11-2015 07:53 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 07:33 PM)Terry Wrote:  CORRECT!!!!!!! Moss was not allowed to play at Toledo because of a heart condition the UT medical staff found while performing a physical on Moss. He was not an academic casualty. In fact, he was allowed to stay at Toledo by the University on an academic scholarship to replace his athletic scholarship. However, he chose to leave Toledo, get medical treatment, and work his way back to Division I college basketball. Too bad Moss was part of this last endeavor.

I'm fully aware of Moss's past. And why do you feel sorry for Moss? I feel sorry for the students whose dorm room he snuck into and stole money from.

Congratulations for reading my post and mind incorrectly!!!!!!!

1. I was pointing out that Moss had a "medical" problem not an academic problem while at Toledo.

2. He SHOULD NOT have made the bad decision that he made by stealing the money. That is a criminal act and should be punished.

So, once again, congratulations for having me say something that I did not.........
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(08-12-2015 10:05 AM)IamN2daRockets Wrote:  Bottom-line... any student caught doing a "criminal act" should be dismissed from school. The scholarship students are there on our or in this case the NY tax payer's dime. High standards should be expected with zero exceptions.

So you were calling for Drummond to be kicked out at Toledo..

BTW there was no crime, no criminal charges were pressed and we do live in a society of due process..
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(08-12-2015 08:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 06:45 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 03:58 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  From the Bull Run web site:

Outside of his problems with stealing he is a model campus citizen and a stand up guy.

If this was a "paying, normal" student, how would it have been handled???? I'm guessing differently.

Keep guessing. I believe most students who stole 600$, gave it back, and were not subject to criminal chargers would be given community service.

Hey Bull, I don't have to keep guessing. I know for a fact that if a "paying/normal" student was caught intentionally BREAKING IN and STEALING $600, they would be expelled from most universities and colleges.
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(08-12-2015 02:19 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 08:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 06:45 PM)letsgoblue Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 03:58 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  From the Bull Run web site:

Outside of his problems with stealing he is a model campus citizen and a stand up guy.

If this was a "paying, normal" student, how would it have been handled???? I'm guessing differently.

Keep guessing. I believe most students who stole 600$, gave it back, and were not subject to criminal chargers would be given community service.

Hey Bull, I don't have to keep guessing. I know for a fact that if a "paying/normal" student was caught intentionally BREAKING IN and STEALING $600, they would be expelled from most universities and colleges.

What about getting a DUI?

The entire reason we have appeal processes in place is because no punishment is automatic in our society. Nor should it be.

I agree that Moss should be treated like any other student. I don't agree that 100% of students are kicked out of school for this. Students get into fights all the time... THATS ASSAULT! Students under 21 get drunk from time to time... THATS A CRIME!

So long as he receives no special treatment or add scrutiny because of who he is then I am fine with the process as defined at UB and nearly every other school in the country.
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(08-12-2015 02:45 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What about getting a DUI?

DUI should result in elimination from team sports.
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(08-11-2015 08:50 PM)CharlottesvilleRocket Wrote:  "Bull in Exile" and others' comments regarding the situation implied sympathy for the perpetrator. Therefore the correct pleural pronoun is "you all".

This was incorrect. I meant to say "Bull Run" not "Bull in Exile".
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Justin Moss has been dismissed from school by the student judiciary. Buffalo made it to the NCAA last year and the program is a shell of what it was in March. Diane and Johnson are still students, but their status with the team is in limbo.
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(08-24-2015 02:30 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  Justin Moss has been dismissed from school by the student judiciary. Buffalo made it to the NCAA last year and the program is a shell of what it was in March. Diane and Johnson are still students, but their status with the team is in limbo.

Well, moss is 5th yr sr and might be eligible for immediate transfer eligibility. Wonder if her come back to r
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To be eligible immediately, you must have graduated.
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(08-24-2015 07:31 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  To be eligible immediately, you must have graduated.

Uh, he wasn't serious.
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