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RE: The logical end game
(08-10-2015 12:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 10:20 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Thanks H1, JR and others on their ideas on how this all goes down. Based on the following assumptions here is how I think this ends.

Assumptions in no particular order:

OU and KU will go as a pair
TX will not go to the B1G or SEC
All 10 teams in the BIG XII need to be placed
The PAC (and probably the ACC) will need to take 4 if they take any
OU will only go to the B1G or SEC
The B1G will only accept KU, OU, TX, and maybe ISU
The SEC will only accept OU, KU, TX, and maybe WVU
The PAC needs markets/timezones and must get into Texas.
ESPN needs to create more value

Conclusion:

OU and KU will go to the SEC.
The ACC takes WVU, TCU, BU, and TT/Houston
The PAC takes OSU, KSU, ISU, and TT/Houston
TX goes independent with the ACC

Reasons:

RRR becomes an ACC/SEC product (ESPN)
TX/ND becomes an ACC product (ESPN)
The PAC gets their timezones and gets TX
WVU/PITT restored (ESPN)
TX/aTm restored (ESPN)
OU/OSU and KU/KSU become SEC products (home years) (ESPN)
The B1G is shutout

The ACC then organizes into pods of 3 plus a rival and plays a 9 game schedule

Pods of 3 (2+1+6)

WVU
UL
VT

BC
SU
PITT

UVA
UNC
Duke

WF
Miami
FSA

TT
TCU
Baylor

GT
NCST
CU

Rivals
WVU-PITT
VT-UVA
UNC-NCST
Duke-GT
CU-FSU
BC-WF
UM-BU
TCU-SU
UL-TT

or Pods of 6 (5+2+2)

BC
Syracuse
PITT
WVU
UL
VT

UVA
UNC
Duke
GT
NCST
Clemson

WF
Miami
FSU
TT
TCU
Baylor

In both cases have Texas and ND play 6 games plus one against each other for 7 ACC games. The winner of the TX/ND will have a path to the playoffs if they are ranked higher.

I'm finding it very hard to imagine a worse scenario than for either the ACC or the PAC 12 that doesn't involve adding a bunch of weak G5 programs. Why would either of them do such a thing?

Because it fulfills the day dreams some people have about organizing college football conferences into eloquent, mathematical formulas?
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(08-10-2015 06:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 10:48 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Why would the Pac and the SEC take the leftovers if OU and KU went to the B1G while Texas to the ACC?

Assuming that is what the B1G and ACC want. Which is a stretch.

Because the SEC already agreed to take whom the SEC decided they should take when they got their SEC Network.

Why would the PAC? Because they are at a propagandic disadvantage when it comes to potential viewership. They need Central Time Zone locations to show off all of their programs during the early kick off slot.
They tried to get the top schools in the big 12 and they failed. Now they will have to take what they can get and get a good pay day out of it for allowing this to all happen now instead of ten years from now.

Ten years from now the PAC will still have the same choice to make but they will have much less leverage with the likes of ESPN and PAC.

Either folks understand that or they don't want to. In the end, it doesn't matter if you do or don't.

The PAC only cares about viewership in the Pacific and Mountain timezones.

They dominate there. No disadvantage to speak of.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.
PAC is a sport news reporting black hole. One of the major reasons, why I believe Texas will never join the PAC.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 09:07 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.
PAC is a sport news reporting black hole. One of the major reasons, why I believe Texas will never join the PAC.

Any school with a choice wont be going West. The schools that I list offer more to the PAC than any other conference. Either the PAC accepts them now with a pay increase for helping make this all possible or...they wait and try to expand on their own.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.

It's tops because:

1. the fanbase for the PAC, which no surprise live in the Pacific timezone, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms ... at 9am??

2. Eastern timezone college football fans, with apparently nothing better to do with their day, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms?? A conference they know nothing about, have never watched before and don't care about.


Either scenario is ridiculous, as is the concept of the PAC expanding into the plains states.

It's called the PACIFIC conference for a reason. Not the PACIFIC/PLAINS conference.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 09:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

(08-10-2015 12:03 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Great news for the PAC. They finally fulfill their dream of cracking the Lubbock market, along with Ames, Manhattan and Stillwater. A goldmine, for sure.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.

It's tops because:

1. the fanbase for the PAC, which no surprise live in the Pacific timezone, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms ... at 9am??

2. Eastern timezone college football fans, with apparently nothing better to do with their day, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms?? A conference they know nothing about, have never watched before and don't care about.


Either scenario is ridiculous, as is the concept of the PAC expanding into the plains states.

It's called the PACIFIC conference for a reason. Not the PACIFIC/PLAINS conference.

You get caught up in all the wrong things, which is why folks get tired of debating with you.

The move to the Central Time Zone isn't about attracting Pacific time viewers. No one that has ever argued for the move has stated that it is about gathering more Pacific time viewers. You are creating a straw man with this and that is just poor debate.

The current massive geographic footprint of the PAC still provides less viewership than the Eastern conference achieve in their areas. That is why the PAC already looked to expand out of that area with Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and TTU. You see, there is already evidence that counters what you are saying. Your argument is more of a troll argument because it should be obvious to you that what you are saying is wrong.

You think Eastern Time Zone football viewers don't know anything about Oregon or USC or UCLA or...for that matter the conference that ESPN states is the second strongest college football conference in the country? Yes, they would watch match ups at the noon time slot and/or they would watch the highlights from those match ups at half time while they are waiting for their regionally relevant game to get started again in the 3rd quarter.


This whole PAC is the Pacific argument is just pathetic. How about The Big Ten moving out of the Midwest and no longer just having Ten teams? How about The Atlantic Coast Conference moving into Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Indiana? How about the South East Conference moving into Missouri and Texas?

You see, these brand names of the past are only kept because they are recognizable, not because the conferences feel the need to keep their footprints within the area that matches their brand name.

Seriously, step your game up and admit when you are wrong instead of creating piss poor straw men to argue against.
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RE: The logical end game
(08-11-2015 09:52 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 09:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  Populations:

Lubbock 239,538
Ames 61,792
Manhattan 56,143
Stillwater 47,186

vs

Eugene 159,190
Corvalis 55,298
Pullman 31,395


I think Houston would be a better pickup for the PAC as they need the markets more. TT would make more sense for the ACC being a tech school and having a history with UT.

Populations of the campus cities are about as irrelevant as you can get, when it comes to statistics.

The two most relevant statistics are: total size of fanbase and total size of TV viewer base.

It's not even just about that. Topping all of that is the ability for the PAC to then have kick offs happening at the noon Eastern time slot.

I know all of you know people that catch only the early game on Saturday before they get started with whatever else they do on their Saturdays. There are a lot of people that don't see the PAC. When they watch the half time talk shows they don't see any PAC highlights because they aren't even playing yet.

It's tops because:

1. the fanbase for the PAC, which no surprise live in the Pacific timezone, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms ... at 9am??

2. Eastern timezone college football fans, with apparently nothing better to do with their day, are desperate to see college football teams from plains states with PAC patches on their uniforms?? A conference they know nothing about, have never watched before and don't care about.


Either scenario is ridiculous, as is the concept of the PAC expanding into the plains states.

It's called the PACIFIC conference for a reason. Not the PACIFIC/PLAINS conference.

You get caught up in all the wrong things, which is why folks get tired of debating with you.

The move to the Central Time Zone isn't about attracting Pacific time viewers. No one that has ever argued for the move has stated that it is about gathering more Pacific time viewers. You are creating a straw man with this and that is just poor debate.

The current massive geographic footprint of the PAC still provides less viewership than the Eastern conference achieve in their areas. That is why the PAC already looked to expand out of that area with Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and TTU. You see, there is already evidence that counters what you are saying. Your argument is more of a troll argument because it should be obvious to you that what you are saying is wrong.

You think Eastern Time Zone football viewers don't know anything about Oregon or USC or UCLA or...for that matter the conference that ESPN states is the second strongest college football conference in the country? Yes, they would watch match ups at the noon time slot and/or they would watch the highlights from those match ups at half time while they are waiting for their regionally relevant game to get started again in the 3rd quarter.


This whole PAC is the Pacific argument is just pathetic. How about The Big Ten moving out of the Midwest and no longer just having Ten teams? How about The Atlantic Coast Conference moving into Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Indiana? How about the South East Conference moving into Missouri and Texas?

You see, these brand names of the past are only kept because they are recognizable, not because the conferences feel the need to keep their footprints within the area that matches their brand name.

Seriously, step your game up and admit when you are wrong instead of creating piss poor straw men to argue against.

ACC has been in the Eastern time zone. They still are.
SEC has been in the Eastern and Central time zones. They still are.
B1G has been in the Central and Eastern time zones. They still are.


PAC was in the Pacific time zone and mostly still is, with a small expansion into the Mountain time zone.

Their viewer base is in the Pacific time zone. You correctly point out that they don't need to expand in order to capture more PTZ viewers.

Thus, your argument for expansion east is defeated.


But I know you're just going to come back with the same old. "PAC has to expand east!! Because ..... ... need ... more... viewers!!!! It's a mutual fund!! Growth at all costs!!! Gotta have Oregon and UCLA highlights playing at Noon Eastern, or they don't count!!!"
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No I am going to return with simply saying that you are terrible at this. You aren't even good at deflecting. All you do is create straw men and when your straw men are pointed out and ridiculed...you just create more.

Those conferences having moved West because......NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE WEST. My argument is defeated? Consider yourself ignored, you aren't worth my time. When you catch up to the rest of us then perhaps you will be worth my time. You are seriously lacking and for some reason you have too much ego to see just how wrong you are. Adios Mr waste of my time.
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(08-11-2015 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  No I am going to return with simply saying that you are terrible at this. You aren't even good at deflecting. All you do is create straw men and when your straw men are pointed out and ridiculed...you just create more.

Those conferences having moved West because......NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE WEST. My argument is defeated? Consider yourself ignored, you aren't worth my time. When you catch up to the rest of us then perhaps you will be worth my time. You are seriously lacking and for some reason you have too much ego to see just how wrong you are. Adios Mr waste of my time.

That from the guy who says, and I quote: "Those conferences having moved West because ... NO ONE WANTS TO MOVE WEST."

My goodness.

Good day, sir.
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I'll take a shot at the next expansion phase...

1. The Big 12 gets left out of the playoff again in 2015.

2. The Big 12 expands with Cincinnati and BYU.

3. Texas is unhappy with the additions, and calls John Swofford. Texas goes independent in football and places their other sports in the ACC with the exact same deal Notre Dame has. Texas keeps the Longhorn Network (in the same way ND keeps their NBC deal) and as more ACC teams start to appear on the network, demand increases along the East Coast for the LHN.

4. The Texas - Texas A&M game returns, joining Georgia-GT, Clemson-South Carolina, Florida - FSU, and Louisville - Kentucky games as an annual ACC (kind of) vs SEC matchup.

5. Oklahoma and Kansas bolt to the B1G.

6. Baylor, BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech & West Virginia invite Boise State, Connecticut and one other school (Houston? UCF?) to form the new Big 12.

7. OSU and Kansas State to the SEC rumors appear daily for the next 5 years.
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(08-11-2015 10:29 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I'll take a shot at the next expansion phase...

1. The Big 12 gets left out of the playoff again in 2015.

2. The Big 12 expands with Cincinnati and BYU.

3. Texas is unhappy with the additions, and calls John Swofford. Texas goes independent in football and places their other sports in the ACC with the exact same deal Notre Dame has. Texas keeps the Longhorn Network (in the same way ND keeps their NBC deal) and as more ACC teams start to appear on the network, demand increases along the East Coast for the LHN.

4. The Texas - Texas A&M game returns, joining Georgia-GT, Clemson-South Carolina, Florida - FSU, and Louisville - Kentucky games as an annual ACC (kind of) vs SEC matchup.

5. Oklahoma and Kansas bolt to the B1G.

6. Baylor, BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech & West Virginia invite Boise State, Connecticut and one other school (Houston? UCF?) to form the new Big 12.

7. OSU and Kansas State to the SEC rumors appear daily for the next 5 years.

1 - 3 sounds reasonable to me. 4 might be wishful thinking.

5 might be realistic, but I personally don't want it to happen.

6 sounds right except for the schools. If UConn was too far for the ACC, then I'd think they'd be too far for plains states. Same for Boise.
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(08-10-2015 08:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 06:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 10:48 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  Why would the Pac and the SEC take the leftovers if OU and KU went to the B1G while Texas to the ACC?

Assuming that is what the B1G and ACC want. Which is a stretch.

Because the SEC already agreed to take whom the SEC decided they should take when they got their SEC Network.

Why would the PAC? Because they are at a propagandic disadvantage when it comes to potential viewership. They need Central Time Zone locations to show off all of their programs during the early kick off slot.
They tried to get the top schools in the big 12 and they failed. Now they will have to take what they can get and get a good pay day out of it for allowing this to all happen now instead of ten years from now.

Ten years from now the PAC will still have the same choice to make but they will have much less leverage with the likes of ESPN and PAC.

Either folks understand that or they don't want to. In the end, it doesn't matter if you do or don't.

The SEC didn't agree to anything when they took Missouri and Texas A&M. Missouri was a a great stand in when the SEC refused to take OSU along with OU. Other than that the SEC thought they would be in line for Virginia Tech and N.C. State when Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Notre Dame went to the ACC.

And you know what H1, that deal is still on the table if North Carolina will accept it.

None of the Big 10, SEC, PAC, and to a certain extent the ACC have been roped into anything and certainly none of them have agreed to stand aside because of the schools they have already taken.

I don't know where you got this idea, but a source sure would be interesting.

1)First and foremost the folks at Virginia Tech and NC State don't want to leave the ACC to join the SEC.
2)Then there is the suggestion that the ACC would not admit Oklahoma with or without Texas.
3)Sometimes in negotiations, one is much better off to dictate the terms rather than the price.
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(08-11-2015 10:50 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  6 sounds right except for the schools. If UConn was too far for the ACC, then I'd think they'd be too far for plains states. Same for Boise.

Yeah, I'm just guessing on schools... The ACC is already a bona fide hoops giant with 15 members. They wouldn't need UConn. The new Big 12 would be looking for credibility and might be more willing to reach for UConn basketball and Boise State football. UConn has already been in a conference with Cincinnati and UConn, so I thought it was a fairly educated guess.
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(08-11-2015 11:27 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:50 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  6 sounds right except for the schools. If UConn was too far for the ACC, then I'd think they'd be too far for plains states. Same for Boise.

Yeah, I'm just guessing on schools... The ACC is already a bona fide hoops giant with 15 members. They wouldn't need UConn. The new Big 12 would be looking for credibility and might be more willing to reach for UConn basketball and Boise State football. UConn has already been in a conference with Cincinnati and UConn, so I thought it was a fairly educated guess.

For the current Big 12 schools to receive the same per team payout as they are getting now, a network would have pay about $100 million more a year plus the going rate for a CCG for schools that they are currently paying about $20 million combined. Anything less and the current members lose money. That's a tough sell in the best of markets.
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(08-11-2015 12:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 11:27 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:50 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  6 sounds right except for the schools. If UConn was too far for the ACC, then I'd think they'd be too far for plains states. Same for Boise.

Yeah, I'm just guessing on schools... The ACC is already a bona fide hoops giant with 15 members. They wouldn't need UConn. The new Big 12 would be looking for credibility and might be more willing to reach for UConn basketball and Boise State football. UConn has already been in a conference with Cincinnati and UConn, so I thought it was a fairly educated guess.

For the current Big 12 schools to receive the same per team payout as they are getting now, a network would have pay about $100 million more a year plus the going rate for a CCG for schools that they are currently paying about $20 million combined. Anything less and the current members lose money. That's a tough sell in the best of markets.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, there is no chance for the remaining XII plus any teams that aren't currently in a P5 conference to earn as much per school money as they do now from a conference media deal.

I don't think anyone can argue successful to the contrary.
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