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(08-08-2015 10:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What happens the day that a kid doesn't need to go to the NFL anymore? What about when colleges start to push for 5 or 6 years of eligibility?

That's an interesting idea. Once you separate football from the educational aspect of the schools, you no longer need to relate eligibility to a graduation model. Heck, you don't even need to stop at 6 years. The only issue then is competing with the NFL on salaries. That would be a big problem, I would guess.
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(08-08-2015 02:59 PM)goofus Wrote:  if it made sense for the PAC to have central time zone schools, they should have proposed a merger with the Big 12 before they picked up WV.

Since that did not happen, there must be plenty of reasons why the central time zone schools and PAC schools don't want to be together.

I suspect one of the reasons is that if the Mountain time zone schools had wanted to cross the Rockies to play they wouldn't have sought out the PAC in the first place. Many of their alumni gravitate to California, not Texas. Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools know that eastward expansion puts them in a division they do not want to be in. Four votes out of twelve will make expansion east of the Rockies a very tough sell.

The PAC doesn't need expansion. Many eastern internet denizens want it for them, but only to fulfill some dream of a balanced 64 team P4, not because it's good for the PAC.
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(08-08-2015 02:59 PM)goofus Wrote:  if it made sense for the PAC to have central time zone schools, they should have proposed a merger with the Big 12 before they picked up WV.

Since that did not happen, there must be plenty of reasons why the central time zone schools and PAC schools don't want to be together.

One big one anyway

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(08-09-2015 08:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:59 PM)goofus Wrote:  if it made sense for the PAC to have central time zone schools, they should have proposed a merger with the Big 12 before they picked up WV.

Since that did not happen, there must be plenty of reasons why the central time zone schools and PAC schools don't want to be together.

I suspect one of the reasons is that if the Mountain time zone schools had wanted to cross the Rockies to play they wouldn't have sought out the PAC in the first place. Many of their alumni gravitate to California, not Texas. Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools know that eastward expansion puts them in a division they do not want to be in. Four votes out of twelve will make expansion east of the Rockies a very tough sell.

The PAC doesn't need expansion. Many eastern internet denizens want it for them, but only to fulfill some dream of a balanced 64 team P4, not because it's good for the PAC.

More false conjecture. Colorado sought out the PAC because they wanted to be with the California schools. It isn't that they don't want to be with any schools to their East, its just that the big 12 had none and everyone in the big 12 was looking around for a new home at the time.

I have no idea why you guys want to think that the PAC will pass but you go right ahead but the inevitable is going to happen.
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(08-09-2015 08:01 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 10:39 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
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(08-08-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  I could see Netflix getting into football condensed replays after the main broadcaster is done with the live broadcast, the way it streams shows that are 1 year old.

Who would want to see that? I would.

That's another great point.

1 hr condensed games are great for time strapped fans. No commercials and they even cut out the 'dead time' between plays.

That would be ESPN and FOX reselling the tv rights that they bought from the conferences. That's not a bad idea considering the current state of ESPN

Dodd's Netflix comment was interesting, but he's not thinking big enough.

The long term viability of the cable model is certainly going to be challenged by ala carte cable channel pricing, but the longer term threat is delivering all media content over the internet.

Maybe Netflix will want to expand, but there's another bigger player in the internet space - Apple.

Apple currently has $200 BILLION dollars in cash on its books. At some point Apple may decide to expand from being a device company to a content company. They already dominate music with itunes and have a fledgling internet media delivery system with AppleTV. It's not far fetched to think they could become a real player in internet media too. They could buy the media rights for the PAC, SEC, B1G, Big 12 and ACC and it would barely make a dent in their cash.

As Lee Corso would say, not so fast my friend. Apple isn't nearly so flush with cash. At their latest quarterly report, they had a little less than $5 billion. More important, their total current assets were $70B and their current liabilities were $65B. Their cash balance is appropriate to maintain their current operations - there isn't much excess liquidity here.

$203 Billion as of July 2015. You don't know what you're talking about.

http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2015...b-barrier/
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(08-09-2015 03:52 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 08:01 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 10:39 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 12:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's another great point.

1 hr condensed games are great for time strapped fans. No commercials and they even cut out the 'dead time' between plays.

That would be ESPN and FOX reselling the tv rights that they bought from the conferences. That's not a bad idea considering the current state of ESPN

Dodd's Netflix comment was interesting, but he's not thinking big enough.

The long term viability of the cable model is certainly going to be challenged by ala carte cable channel pricing, but the longer term threat is delivering all media content over the internet.

Maybe Netflix will want to expand, but there's another bigger player in the internet space - Apple.

Apple currently has $200 BILLION dollars in cash on its books. At some point Apple may decide to expand from being a device company to a content company. They already dominate music with itunes and have a fledgling internet media delivery system with AppleTV. It's not far fetched to think they could become a real player in internet media too. They could buy the media rights for the PAC, SEC, B1G, Big 12 and ACC and it would barely make a dent in their cash.

As Lee Corso would say, not so fast my friend. Apple isn't nearly so flush with cash. At their latest quarterly report, they had a little less than $5 billion. More important, their total current assets were $70B and their current liabilities were $65B. Their cash balance is appropriate to maintain their current operations - there isn't much excess liquidity here.

$203 Billion as of July 2015. You don't know what you're talking about.

http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2015...b-barrier/

The source you cite doesn't say what you think it says. It says that Apple has over $168B in long term investments, which are included in the what the article characterizes, not as $203B in cash, but in cash and investments. Without reading the footnotes in the actual quarterly reports to the SEC, it's hard to tell what the nature of those long term investments are. But if they were readily convertible to cash (within the next twelve months) they would have been classified as part of the company's current assets.
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PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.
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(08-09-2015 07:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.

You would think that such a simple concept would make sense to most folks.
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(08-09-2015 08:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 10:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What happens the day that a kid doesn't need to go to the NFL anymore? What about when colleges start to push for 5 or 6 years of eligibility?

That's an interesting idea. Once you separate football from the educational aspect of the schools, you no longer need to relate eligibility to a graduation model. Heck, you don't even need to stop at 6 years. The only issue then is competing with the NFL on salaries. That would be a big problem, I would guess.
It would be for the players that could go in the first 3 or 4 rounds. But those players getting drafted in the 5th, 6th and 7th might not risk it. Why take a chance that you will never hit it big. Why not stay in school and make 50k a year and work on a masters degree?
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(08-09-2015 05:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 03:52 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 08:01 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 10:39 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 12:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  That would be ESPN and FOX reselling the tv rights that they bought from the conferences. That's not a bad idea considering the current state of ESPN

Dodd's Netflix comment was interesting, but he's not thinking big enough.

The long term viability of the cable model is certainly going to be challenged by ala carte cable channel pricing, but the longer term threat is delivering all media content over the internet.

Maybe Netflix will want to expand, but there's another bigger player in the internet space - Apple.

Apple currently has $200 BILLION dollars in cash on its books. At some point Apple may decide to expand from being a device company to a content company. They already dominate music with itunes and have a fledgling internet media delivery system with AppleTV. It's not far fetched to think they could become a real player in internet media too. They could buy the media rights for the PAC, SEC, B1G, Big 12 and ACC and it would barely make a dent in their cash.

As Lee Corso would say, not so fast my friend. Apple isn't nearly so flush with cash. At their latest quarterly report, they had a little less than $5 billion. More important, their total current assets were $70B and their current liabilities were $65B. Their cash balance is appropriate to maintain their current operations - there isn't much excess liquidity here.

$203 Billion as of July 2015. You don't know what you're talking about.

http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2015...b-barrier/

The source you cite doesn't say what you think it says. It says that Apple has over $168B in long term investments, which are included in the what the article characterizes, not as $203B in cash, but in cash and investments. Without reading the footnotes in the actual quarterly reports to the SEC, it's hard to tell what the nature of those long term investments are. But if they were readily convertible to cash (within the next twelve months) they would have been classified as part of the company's current assets.

By 'cash' I mean free cash available for distributions and acquisitions, which is what Apple has a shitload of - $203 billion or so. Of course they are not going to keep it all in bank accounts (i.e. cash, for GAAP accounting purposes). So the bulk of it is invested in a combination of short term investments and investments with more than a one year maturity (i.e. long term). You still don't know what you're talking about.
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(08-09-2015 08:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 07:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.

You would think that such a simple concept would make sense to most folks.


Most of the Big 12 schools in the Big 12 rather want to be associated with either the Big 10, SEC or the ACC.

There are others in the CST zone would love to get an invite to a P5 conference.

The East Coast of three conferences that are there, maybe 4.

Big 12:West Virginia
SEC:Georgia, South Carolina, Florida
Big 10:Maryland, Penn. State, Rutgers
ACC:From Boston all the way down to Miami.

West Coast only have 1 P5 conference, and that is the MWC. It is why I think if the Big 12 loses members? The rest of the strong should merge with the MWC, and make that conference as a P5 by combining credits of football, and basketball. In turn, PAC 12 could get some CST schools, and some MWC to even things out.

Move some of the ACC schools to Big 10 and SEC, and move in schools like from the AAC, C-USA, and maybe a Sun Belt. Could pull Eastern Washington and North Dakota State into the MWC, and maybe some FCS schools in the central and east could fill in spots in the rest of the G5. Could bring either Big Sky, MVFC or CAA as a replacement for MWC for a new G5.
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(08-08-2015 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 12:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The problem with unlocking an OTA signal is getting the hardware needed into homes. We pushed back the rollout of digital TV because hardware adoption was slower than expected. Right now no one has such hardware in their home.

Why is that a problem?

For $20/mo, the customer gets a free, little box that connects between the antenna and the TV, to decode the encrypted signal. Viola, great content, great signal and completely bypassed the landline network.

You don't think building 30 million boxes and distributing and in many cases installing them isn't an issue? This has been tried by at least 7 different companies that busted. With the switch to digital much more of the country cannot get an OTA signal strong enough to use.

Not much of an issue, no. How many cellphones do you think get built, per year?

I also doubt that OTA signal strength is lower because the data that rides on the signal is modulated digital instead of analog. It's still radio frequency carrier. It's still the same power output at the transmitter.

Here's an example.
http://antennaweb.org/Stations.aspx?Addr...91.6178011

No TV stations available with an antenna. Pre-digital you could receive Jonesboro, Springfield, Mountain Home. Today zip.

Six million were expected to lose access to TV with digital transmission because of inability to pull in a usable signal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/techno....html?_r=0

9.2 million expected to experience problems.
http://rbr.com/centris-fetting-about-over-air-viewers/

Seattle station expected to lose 2% of their reach
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/2009040.../704029937

Translators go dark in rural areas cutting off TV
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=101541768

Explanation of the cliff effect (ie. you get the signal or not)
http://hinessight.blogs.com/hinessight/2...ewers.html

Ok, you win. I was wrong, and you are correct.

Now, the fact of the matter is that signal strength, in terms of a radio frequency signal being transmitted from the transmitter, it just a matter of power at the transmitter, line of site and the design of the antenna.

I don't think any of those would've changed simply because the information that modulates the radio frequency signal changed from an NTSC format to an ATSC format.

There must be more to the story, and I'm certain there is.


But it's a moot point, anyhow.
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(08-09-2015 08:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 10:22 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What happens the day that a kid doesn't need to go to the NFL anymore? What about when colleges start to push for 5 or 6 years of eligibility?

That's an interesting idea. Once you separate football from the educational aspect of the schools, you no longer need to relate eligibility to a graduation model. Heck, you don't even need to stop at 6 years. The only issue then is competing with the NFL on salaries. That would be a big problem, I would guess.

What you're talking about is a true NFL minor league, a professional football league, that tries to emulate what we currently know as "college football" today.

The name on the uniform would have "University" or "College" on it, somewhere. The stadiums would be the same.

But it would be professional athletes playing the games. Non-academic employees of the university, no different than the coaches or the janitors.


I hope that's a reality we never face.
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(08-09-2015 10:53 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
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(08-08-2015 02:59 PM)goofus Wrote:  if it made sense for the PAC to have central time zone schools, they should have proposed a merger with the Big 12 before they picked up WV.

Since that did not happen, there must be plenty of reasons why the central time zone schools and PAC schools don't want to be together.

I suspect one of the reasons is that if the Mountain time zone schools had wanted to cross the Rockies to play they wouldn't have sought out the PAC in the first place. Many of their alumni gravitate to California, not Texas. Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools know that eastward expansion puts them in a division they do not want to be in. Four votes out of twelve will make expansion east of the Rockies a very tough sell.

The PAC doesn't need expansion. Many eastern internet denizens want it for them, but only to fulfill some dream of a balanced 64 team P4, not because it's good for the PAC.

More false conjecture. Colorado sought out the PAC because they wanted to be with the California schools. It isn't that they don't want to be with any schools to their East, its just that the big 12 had none and everyone in the big 12 was looking around for a new home at the time.

I have no idea why you guys want to think that the PAC will pass but you go right ahead but the inevitable is going to happen.

He claims that Colorado wanted to join the PAC because its alumni go west, not east. You say he's wrong. Then you follow that up ... by claiming exactly the same thing he did.

Hmm ... something not quite right with this picture.
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(08-09-2015 07:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.

Most PAC fans live ... in the Pacific timezone. That shouldn't be a surprise. I mean, given the name and all.


Why is it important for a PAC fan living in Seattle, Portland, San Fran, LA ... etc., that the PAC be on TV at 930am - 10am in the morning, Pacific time??
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(08-09-2015 08:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 07:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.

You would think that such a simple concept would make sense to most folks.

It might make sense ... if you thought of college conferences like mutual funds.

If you want to put all of your retirement investments into the PAC conference, be my guest. You might be alarmed to find out that any "profit" they make, above the minor expenses of the conference itself, gets dispersed to the schools.


The PAC is currently serving the needs of major college football fans in the Pacific and Mountain time zones.

That's where their fans are and that's where they're already at.

If expansion is needed, it should occur within those two time zones. Possible candidates being Colorado St, Air Force and maybe one day a schools like UC Davis, UC San Diego or New Mexico (if they improve research to Utah levels). Or if football were all that mattered, then maybe BYU or Boise.
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(08-08-2015 09:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
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(08-08-2015 12:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 12:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The PAC absolutely does not need to expand into the Central timezone.

We're not talking about a mutual fund here, where it's grow or die.


So what if the PAC media deal doesn't disperse exactly the same amount as the B1G's or SEC's media deals. It has the west coast locked up and it's always going to get the same payouts and access in the post season as whomever the power conferences are do. Good enough.

thats what I was thimking. its up to Fox and ESPN to find content for its early time slot and they already got that content. If the PAC adds some central time zone schools, Fox and ESPN will in theory pay more to the PAC, to show the same teams they were already showing, but the PAC will have more teams, so its only worth it if they make more per team. throw in extra travel and reduced rivalries, is it all worth it?

How do you figure in that there are reduced rivalries and extra travel? You are inserting those ideas as if they are fact and they are not.

First off, you have to understand that the two division system is dead when we get to 16. It will be four divisions. You put your California teams in the same division and that actually increases their rivalries because they are competing for the California Crown and representation in an expanded conference tournament. The northwestern schools will be grouped up together which improves all of their regional rivalries. With the two Arizona schools leading the way with Utah and Colorado that is a combination of similar cultural areas and could build up some quality rivalries there with two new schools to the PAC that currently don't have any rivalries. Then you have your four Central Time Zone expansion schools put together in their own division. The concept is all about rivalries.

Now, for travel? It's three games in division which isn't a travel issue. You then have two games against every other division. One is home and one is away so travel is heavily mitigated.

Cost factor? It's 90 new time slots that the PAC can now fill and it is largely considered the second most difficult football conference in the country. Getting that content during the initial kick offs would be big money, absolutely.

Conference Championships brought the PAC and Big Ten 20 million. Add in two semifinal games and that could be a boost of 30 million. That right there alone is almost two million a year to each school in that expanded 16 team PAC. If they enable the assimilation of the entire big 12 conference then they are absolutely going to get a major pay increase from the Networks because without it, The PAC doesn't do it.

A lot of logistical and structural complication for marginal gains.

West coast major college football fans know Washington, Oregon and California teams. That's what they want to see.

The current structure does that just fine.

That's going to be up to the Pac12 to decide based on the numbers they are getting from their experts--but I think we already know which way they are leaning. They have analyzed the numbers and seem to like the idea of moving into the central time zone assuming the right pieces are available (and one of those is obviously Texas--not sure the rest of the pieces matter that much to them as long as Texas is part of the package).

Well, how convenient for Houston!
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(08-10-2015 12:39 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  The source you cite doesn't say what you think it says. It says that Apple has over $168B in long term investments, which are included in the what the article characterizes, not as $203B in cash, but in cash and investments. Without reading the footnotes in the actual quarterly reports to the SEC, it's hard to tell what the nature of those long term investments are. But if they were readily convertible to cash (within the next twelve months) they would have been classified as part of the company's current assets.

By 'cash' I mean free cash available for distributions and acquisitions, which is what Apple has a shitload of - $203 billion or so. Of course they are not going to keep it all in bank accounts (i.e. cash, for GAAP accounting purposes). So the bulk of it is invested in a combination of short term investments and investments with more than a one year maturity (i.e. long term). You still don't know what you're talking about.

Even if Apple just took the $15 billion they do have in actual cash - not including the short and long term investments - they could be a major player in the CFB bidding war - on just that cash alone...ie, without accounting for the actual business venture created by the acquisition of those rights.

If the B1G first and second tier deal commands about $40 million per school, that would be about $640 million per year - in a 16-team expansion scenario. A 12-year contract would be worth $7.6 billion - and Apple could pay for that deal with half of its cash assets - again, not including the $185+million in short and long term investments....

OR the massive revenues that Apple would generate from those rights, including the extensive iSports library that Apple could create and easily distribute.
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(08-10-2015 12:52 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(08-09-2015 07:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  PAC-12 if they could get into the CST could essential have the opportunity to broadcast in about every available broadcast window on a Saturday.

You would think that such a simple concept would make sense to most folks.


Most of the Big 12 schools in the Big 12 rather want to be associated with either the Big 10, SEC or the ACC.

There are others in the CST zone would love to get an invite to a P5 conference.

The East Coast of three conferences that are there, maybe 4.

Big 12:West Virginia
SEC:Georgia, South Carolina, Florida
Big 10:Maryland, Penn. State, Rutgers
ACC:From Boston all the way down to Miami.

West Coast only have 1 P5 conference, and that is the MWC. It is why I think if the Big 12 loses members? The rest of the strong should merge with the MWC, and make that conference as a P5 by combining credits of football, and basketball. In turn, PAC 12 could get some CST schools, and some MWC to even things out.

Move some of the ACC schools to Big 10 and SEC, and move in schools like from the AAC, C-USA, and maybe a Sun Belt. Could pull Eastern Washington and North Dakota State into the MWC, and maybe some FCS schools in the central and east could fill in spots in the rest of the G5. Could bring either Big Sky, MVFC or CAA as a replacement for MWC for a new G5.

That's a common refrain, but you don't hear it from the Big 12 schools. That's because the 4 Texas schools and Oklahoma St. are right where they want to be and the rest are happy.

Would the 4 northern schools take a Big 10 bid if one of the schools was offered slot #15? Sure. But the Big 10 is about as likely to invite Hawaii as it is to invite WVU, KSU or ISU. And Kansas is a long shot as well.

Would the 4 northern schools take a Pac 12 bid for slot #15? No.

Would the 4 northern schools take an ACC big for slot #15? No. Now if they didn't earn less money, then the ACC could pickup WVU. It makes geographic sense. But the ACC makes less.

Would the 4 northern schools take an SEC bid slot #15? WVU would in a heartbeat. The rest wouldn't (and long as they didn't think everyone else was leaving).

As for what OU would do, its hard to tell. But they have told the SEC they weren't interested before. Its clear they have no interest in the ACC. Its hard to believe they would go alone to the Pac 12 or Big 10 and its a big longshot either would offer.
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RE: The Future of College Football by Dennis Dodd
(08-10-2015 09:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 11:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 02:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Why is that a problem?

For $20/mo, the customer gets a free, little box that connects between the antenna and the TV, to decode the encrypted signal. Viola, great content, great signal and completely bypassed the landline network.

You don't think building 30 million boxes and distributing and in many cases installing them isn't an issue? This has been tried by at least 7 different companies that busted. With the switch to digital much more of the country cannot get an OTA signal strong enough to use.

Not much of an issue, no. How many cellphones do you think get built, per year?

I also doubt that OTA signal strength is lower because the data that rides on the signal is modulated digital instead of analog. It's still radio frequency carrier. It's still the same power output at the transmitter.

Here's an example.
http://antennaweb.org/Stations.aspx?Addr...91.6178011

No TV stations available with an antenna. Pre-digital you could receive Jonesboro, Springfield, Mountain Home. Today zip.

Six million were expected to lose access to TV with digital transmission because of inability to pull in a usable signal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/techno....html?_r=0

9.2 million expected to experience problems.
http://rbr.com/centris-fetting-about-over-air-viewers/

Seattle station expected to lose 2% of their reach
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/2009040.../704029937

Translators go dark in rural areas cutting off TV
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=101541768

Explanation of the cliff effect (ie. you get the signal or not)
http://hinessight.blogs.com/hinessight/2...ewers.html

Ok, you win. I was wrong, and you are correct.

Now, the fact of the matter is that signal strength, in terms of a radio frequency signal being transmitted from the transmitter, it just a matter of power at the transmitter, line of site and the design of the antenna.

I don't think any of those would've changed simply because the information that modulates the radio frequency signal changed from an NTSC format to an ATSC format.

There must be more to the story, and I'm certain there is.


But it's a moot point, anyhow.

There is a difference in analog and digital that matters.

Growing up in a rural area, we accepted as a fact of life that most of the time the TV picture would be "snowy". In analog you still get a picture just not a perfect one and the audio may have some static. In a digital world with a less than perfect signal you get pixelation, picture freezes, stray green boxes on the screen or the processor in the TV says screw it I can't do anything with this time to put up the no signal warning box and turn the screen black.
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