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RE: Oklahoma news selling the idea of BYU+Boise to Big 12
(08-07-2015 01:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  The Big XII would have an outlier in each direction, but why does that matter anymore? Shouldn't bother anyone too much.
True.

It's pretty well-established by now that all of FBS -- and definitely the P5 -- would play games on the dark side of the moon if the $$$ was right. Having teams in Idaho and West Virginia would not (in and of itself) faze anyone who is making the decisions.

Of course, none of that means that Bevo and OU and KU, etc., are going to agree to share a conference with Boise State. But geography is not the reason.
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(08-07-2015 03:39 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 03:10 PM)krup Wrote:  Football-only is the only Boise gets added. No way the B12 is going to try to sell adding a school as a full member whose peers in the USNWR rankings are the University of the Incarnate Word and Walla Walla University.

Excellent point. Especially with Kansas, Texas, and Iowa St. as part of the AAU and Oklahoma and Texas Tech apparently striving to get there.

If Boise State had adhered to the same admission standards and academic requirements as UC, its football team wouldn't have had such an impressive record. What else does it bring to the table?
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(08-07-2015 03:37 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:40 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  First of all, it's already been well proven that ratings and viewers have a lot more to do with network and timeslot than any team that plays in the game. So comparing ESPN2/U games to ABC, ESPN main, and CBS is a worthless exercise. Let's also not pretend Boise didn't get VERY fortunate with their ABC slotting last year as Week 3 was one of the weakest slate of games in recent memory. The ONLY matchup between ranked teams that week was USCe - Georgia, and it was scooped up by CBS as their feature.

That said, Boise gets better network exposure because they have more of a national brand than UC as a result of their success on the big stage and consistency. That's why they get chosen for those timeslots. So there is definite value there, and there is not much question their football at this moment is out in front.

The original question "was what benefits does Boise St. have over Cincinnati?" besides its better football. The facts point that Boise St. absolutely has a better national brand and that the TV networks pick Boise St. ahead of Cincinnati for better channels and timeslots.

Regarding the Boise St.-UConn game - ESPN/ABC could have chosen Toledo v. Cincinnati (an AAC frontrunner) or NC St. v. South Florida (P5 opponent).

ESPN/ABC also could have chosen another AAC matchup later in the season - perhaps even an all-AAC matchup. In Week 3, they had UCF @ (20) Missouri or ECU @ (17) Virginia Tech or (21) Louisville @ Virginia or Wyoming @ (2) Oregon or Southern Miss @ (3) Alabama or Iowa @ Iowa St. or Army @ (15) Stanford or (16) Arizona St. @ Colorado or Nebraska @ Fresno St. or Nevada @ Arizona.

They chose Boise St. v. UConn.

I didn't intend to debate Boise football brand vs UC football brand. I think we agree there. I'm just pointing out some flawed data analysis with what you posted.

Overall, you are still just discussing football and neglecting the problems that Boise has as an expansion candidate. Boise looks great as a football add, but pretty bad once you get past that. If the Big 12 wants to go football only, that's a whole separate debate. But if they want all-in, Boise's shot seems remote to me.
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RE: Oklahoma news selling the idea of BYU+Boise to Big 12
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member - with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Football only? What is this another hybrid Big East sure to fail conference? Btw, does Boise even have Olympic sports? I'm sure the Big 12 is just dying to get at them Idaho recruits. To me it's short term gain (Boise) versus long term gain (UCF). Additionally while UCF isn't exactly Harvard, it is light years ahead of Boise academically, plus they don't play on that hideous blue field. Unless The commish is dyslectic (where East means West) I look for the invites to go to UC and UCF, or UCF and USF. Of course I'm a big UCF fan, would you expect something different from me?
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Football only. Lol, I guess if you're doomed to fail, you may as well go Full Big East!
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(08-07-2015 03:18 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  I don't know guys, one thing that I have said from the start is they will explore the option to expand and likely to expand as their plan A from the start, but as time passes by gut feeling is starting to change and my doubt of the Big 12 expanding is growing.

If there are no expansion offers out by late spring of 2016, I'm taking money off the table they expand at all.

I can't let the information from Frankthetanks article about Oklahoma wanting out to subside. It is real, IMO.

I'm beginning to think they likely do expand. But I'd be surprised if anything happened before the summer of 2016.
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Since there isn't two universities available that fit the bill, the Big 12 has been reduced to being a holding tank until the GOR expires.
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(08-07-2015 12:46 PM)bluesox Wrote:  BYU and Cincy make more sense. For byu + boise to work need to get ESPN to get the ACC/sec to take WVU…than the big 12 could add byu, boise, and col state or new mexico.

Jesus Christ dude, just stop it......just stop it already.
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(08-07-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Boise doesn't bring much besides football. UCF at least has a good baseball program.

So you haven't been following Boise Basketball lately, it's better than UCF Basketball.....much better.
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(08-07-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Boise doesn't bring much besides football. UCF at least has a good baseball program.


Boise brings basketball and wrestling, plus they became a national name thanks to ESPN.
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(08-07-2015 03:10 PM)krup Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing with Boise is would they be willing to go Big 12 football only. If they did, I could see it happening pretty easily, along with BYU football only. Boise parks their other sports either in the Big West again or more likely the WAC. BYU remains in the WCC. Keep basketball 10 teams which the Big 12 seems to love.

I don't see the Big 12 taking a partial unless it was Notre Dame.

I could pretty easily. I think they really love the 10 team format in everything. Absolutely love it. But they need 12 for football to get the title game. Doing this gives the Big 12 in a lot of ways the best of both worlds.
Football-only is the only Boise gets added. No way the B12 is going to try to sell adding a school as a full member whose peers in the USNWR rankings are the University of the Incarnate Word and Walla Walla University.


Boise State is as close to TCU in academics. Why did they invited TCU when their academics are not up there with the rest of the Big 12? TCU got in because of their football product, and nothing else really except for baseball. Adding Boise State all in will brings the Big 12 another wrestling program that won the PAC 12 title a few years back, and the men's basketball team went to the post season the last 4 years. Boise does bring more to the table than you think.
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(08-07-2015 06:14 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Boise doesn't bring much besides football. UCF at least has a good baseball program.

So you haven't been following Boise Basketball lately, it's better than UCF Basketball.....much better.

NCAA tourney records:

UCF 0-4
Boise 0-7

As far as basketball programs are concerned, I don't see much of a difference.

Boise State deserves all the football praise, but let's not pretend that they are anything special in basketball... 07-coffee3
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(08-07-2015 06:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:14 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Boise doesn't bring much besides football. UCF at least has a good baseball program.

So you haven't been following Boise Basketball lately, it's better than UCF Basketball.....much better.

NCAA tourney records:

UCF 0-4
Boise 0-7

As far as basketball programs are concerned, I don't see much of a difference.

Boise State deserves all the football praise, but let's not pretend that they are anything special in basketball... 07-coffee3


Boise State's wrestling is good. Since Boise get three of their sports into the post season for the men's side.
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(08-07-2015 06:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise brings basketball and wrestling, plus they became a national name thanks to ESPN.
(08-07-2015 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is as close to TCU in academics.
Yes Boise has a national name, thank to their victories over Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. Good on Boise for that. The rest of those two comments ^^^ is total Bullsh*t
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(08-07-2015 06:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise brings basketball and wrestling, plus they became a national name thanks to ESPN.
(08-07-2015 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is as close to TCU in academics.
Yes Boise has a national name, thank to their victories over Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. Good on Boise for that. The rest of those two comments ^^^ is total Bullsh*t


TCU is not a very high research nor a high research institution. Which is why they are in the same category as Boise State as the rest.
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(08-07-2015 07:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise brings basketball and wrestling, plus they became a national name thanks to ESPN.
(08-07-2015 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is as close to TCU in academics.
Yes Boise has a national name, thank to their victories over Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. Good on Boise for that. The rest of those two comments ^^^ is total Bullsh*t


TCU is not a very high research nor a high research institution. Which is why they are in the same category as Boise State as the rest.
By the Carnegie ratings, TCU is a doctoral level while BSU is at a masters level. That is not to say that BSU does not have doctoral programs, they don't have the amount of doctoral graduates to be in the doctoral level. TCU can make the jump to research level easier than BSU can to be at the level of the other Big 12 schools. Cincy by the way is at the research level status as well as Memphis.
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(08-07-2015 07:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 07:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise brings basketball and wrestling, plus they became a national name thanks to ESPN.
(08-07-2015 06:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is as close to TCU in academics.
Yes Boise has a national name, thank to their victories over Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. Good on Boise for that. The rest of those two comments ^^^ is total Bullsh*t


TCU is not a very high research nor a high research institution. Which is why they are in the same category as Boise State as the rest.
By the Carnegie ratings, TCU is a doctoral level while BSU is at a masters level. That is not to say that BSU does not have doctoral programs, they don't have the amount of doctoral graduates to be in the doctoral level. TCU can make the jump to high research level easier than BSU can to be at the level of the other Big 12 schools. Cincy by the way is at the high level research status.


It might be a hard sell if the rumors are true that Texas does not want schools named after cities and directional schools.
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(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member - with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Idk why people post this nonsense about UCF and football only. It won't happen. UCF wouldn't take it. They didn't take it when the BE was offering it and they wouldn't take it now.
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(08-07-2015 06:38 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 06:14 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 12:55 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  If they do expand, I would like to see them try and poach an Arkansas (not likely at all and it wouldn't be a wise move for Arkansas), but why not give it a try?

On the G5 level, if they do go west, no doubt BYU (football only) and Boise State (football only) and full members of UCF and Cincy out east.

You get Florida market (Orlando) with a big student body of UCF with easy airport access, Cincy with Ohio population, and decent football programs out west.

If you bring both BYU and Boise St., there is little reason to do it for football only. BYU and Boise become a travel pair.

If anyone would be football only it would be UCF. They don't bring a whole lot in Olympic sports (as far as I can tell) and they would be 900 miles from the nearest member with no travel partner.

If you bring BYU without Boise, then football only might make some sense.

But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.

If the WCC, MWC, WAC, and Big Sky can make it work in their Olympic sports, the Big 12 can make both BYU and UCF work.

Boise doesn't bring much besides football. UCF at least has a good baseball program.

So you haven't been following Boise Basketball lately, it's better than UCF Basketball.....much better.

NCAA tourney records:

UCF 0-4
Boise 0-7

As far as basketball programs are concerned, I don't see much of a difference.

Boise State deserves all the football praise, but let's not pretend that they are anything special in basketball... 07-coffee3

Boise has made the tourney in 2 of the last 3 years. Boise isn't special in basketball, but they are pretty decent right now. Definitely way ahead of UCF basketball, that's for sure.
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RE: Oklahoma news selling the idea of BYU+Boise to Big 12
(08-07-2015 01:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  But the Olympic sports travel is overstated. BYU and USD are travel partners in the WCC -711 miles between them. Gonzaga to USD is over 1,300 miles - and they play home-home every year. The Big Sky has North Dakota and Sacramento State (1,700 miles) and N. Arizona and Portland St. (1,300 miles). The WAC has Chicago St. and Seattle (2,000 miles!) and CSU-Bakersfield and UMKC (1,600 miles). Wyoming and San Diego St. (1,111 miles) and Fresno St. and Air Force (1,136 miles) play each other in the MWC.
I'm finding it highly unlikely that BYU and USD are travel partners. Pepperdine & Loyola Marymount are two schools where I can imagine other conference schools flying in to play one, staying over, taking a bus ride to play the other, then flying home ... that is, as travel partners. BYU and SDSU, not so much. They are both on islands in the WCC.
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