(08-08-2015 09:49 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 04:00 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 03:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 03:41 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 03:31 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  The dude had a 3% chance to live and suffered permanent brain damage. Sucker punch or not he shouldn't have stomped his head after he was on the ground. Suh was given a worse time after stomping someone with a helmet on

It was determined in court the fall to the concrete and his head hitting said concrete likely caused the brain damage not the kick. If you were sucker punched and the guy that just punched you was on the ground and you had a couple drinks in you i'm sure you would've just helped him up? Right?

That's just ridiculous, justify anything if he can help your team win, right? Pathetic.

Your holier than thou attitude is what's really pathetic. How about the kid made a mistake and paid his time, and is coming to a family-centric team led by a no-nonsense coach that obviously took him in for a reason.

Maybe, as our coach has said since he started, the idea is actually about MORE than football. Get over yourself Mr. Big Shot.

He didn't pay his time at all. They let him off.

He served the punishment handed to him. Sounds like you have more of an issue with the criminal justice system than ECU admitting him.

What are people expecting here? For him to never be able to attend college ever again? A lifetime ban from college? Can't get a degree anywhere? What about a job down the road? Should he not be allowed employment anywhere? Where does it end? There are plenty of people in college who have pleaded guilty to crimes in their pasts. A guilty plea doesn't preclude you from attending college or getting a job. He's a walk on....he's not being handed anything...no promises...no guarantees. There's no guarantee he will be eligible this coming year. He may just end up on the scout team all year.

(08-09-2015 10:02 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  The two UCF fans, shall we start talking about GOL and the player that died? The wrongful death suite?

The kid is a walk-on, right now, dead last on depth chart. And, he had to be approved by a special committee on the University side.

This has no place in this conversation. No need for your poor, low blow attempt at trying to make a comeback by exploiting a tragedy

If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

Exactly. Imo, we shouldn't have taken this dumb***.

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

Summed up perfectly.ECU fans constantly banging on Marshall for non qualifiers, yet they defend and even celebrate this kid. Good grief.

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

Yep, Marshall in particular would have taken plenty of abuse from ECU fans. To me he is not worth the risk based on his talent level. It would be one thing if a 5star QB had these problems and you take a risk on him but then again that 5 star would get snatched up by a lot of programs. I was all for bringing in 5 star WR Cayleb Jones after his assault case. In that case you had the son of a ECU player who is basically ECU Royalty. His other son Isiah who is a super kid is already playing with us so combined with everything Robert Jones did for ECU while he was at ECU and his contributions since leaving made me all in favor of granting his son Cayleb a second chance despite doing something incredibly stupid in assaulting another student athlete over a girlfriend.

The flip side of this case is he is a marginal talent so the schools and some fans on this board can play the holy card of how could you take this kid !! If he was an unbelievable talent with this scenario and available a lot of AAC schools with a QB need would take him and god knows the P5 schools could care less.

Taking a risk on this kid tells me Cody Keith is pretty much done and the JUCO we brought in is not exactly lighting the world on fire. If we were solid with Benkert and felt good about his two main back ups then we would never take this kind of image risk or our coaching staff is tone deaf on what kind of bad publicity this could bring ECU. We have enough battles with the media and if this kid ever started that would always be part of the story of any game he plays in.

I am all for second chances especially for young kids that make mistakes but I would have preferred if we had passed on this kid.

(08-09-2015 01:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

Summed up perfectly.ECU fans constantly banging on Marshall for non qualifiers, yet they defend and even celebrate this kid. Good grief.

Don't mistake message board fanatics with actual ECU fans. Poll the average ECU fan at a Football game, especially the older fans and they have nothing but good things to say about Marshall. We have a few world class idiots that post on this board or boards like it that unfortunately get most of the attention.

(08-09-2015 01:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

Summed up perfectly.ECU fans constantly banging on Marshall for non qualifiers, yet they defend and even celebrate this kid. Good grief.

I can easily defend this. 2 felony charges pleaded down to a 5th degree misdemeanor. No other pending legal issues. Don't believe he's been a career criminal . Made a stupid mistake, served the punishment that was given to him, and is now trying to move on. Is a walk on to the team, no scholarship, no guarantees. May not even be eligible this coming year. And the family could still pursue a civil suit if they chose. We aren't the first and won't be the last school to admit someone with some baggage. Again I ask - should he be banished from finishing his college education now? From playing football? From getting a job? Where does it end?

I bet he never plays a meaningful down here btw.

(08-09-2015 02:57 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I bet he never plays a meaningful down here btw.

Shy of a bunch of injuries, that would mean that Lincoln and Ruff did a piss poor job of recruiting QB's and grooming them. This is Benkerts third year in the system so he should be good to go as should Cody Keith if he comes back from his injury. They had plenty of time to run the practice squads, 2nd string and sit on the sideline watching Carden on game days. Blake Kemp should also be able to run a slightly scaled back version of the offense if pressed into action

Now if this kid came in and started and won 10+ games this year then I would pitch in money for his legal defense fund

Man...some of you guys are harsh. The kid had no prior record and made an instinctual act by kicking a person that punched him in the back of his head. Should he be given no chance at a future. I don't even really care that we have him from a football standpoint bc he's gonna likely be riding the bench anyway but people make mistakes and this kid is being criticized more by the result of his act (actually not even his act) rather than by the level of malice he acted with.

& because I'm an ECU fan I will be lumped in with the homers but I truly do believe that our country was founded on 2nd chances by individuals that were lucky enough to be granted 2nd chances. If you look at the actual facts of this case, this kid is not actually deemed to be responsible for the blow that caused the damage. Consequently, the real questions are:

(1) How much do you mitigate his culpability due to the provocation factor? (i.e., Would a reasonable person in Nelson's position be highly outraged by being punched from behind like that?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provocation_(legal)

(2) Was Nelson really trying to permanently injure the guy? (i.e., Did he have time to completely assess what he was doing (while intoxicated) or was he merely acting out of rage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice_aforethought

If the kid had died, the highest level felony he could be convicted for would be a low level felony of involuntary manslaughter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaught...nslaughter

Additionally, he really wouldn't be guilty of that even if the guy had died because the actual harm causing the injury was from Nelson's friend and not Nelson himself. Accordingly, the most Nelson should have been found guilty of is simple assault (mid-level misdemeanor in most states). Again this is Nelson's only charge ever and I'm sure Ruff took the totality of the circumstances into account. I applaud the program for giving this guy a 2nd chance and before someone jumps all over me I would feel the same for any analogous situation involving any school (particularly in this conference).

Bottom line: Given the facts of this case the kid deserves another shot. Forget about the community service punishment. He lost his opportunity to compete at a school that he chose for himself, he had to deal with media scrutiny and the court system, and he had to live with the shame of this situation and a criminal record. It's easy to judge but everyone makes mistakes.

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

I agree with this statement. I will say that Ruff runs a clean program and doesn't "bring in thugs at all cost". He has dismissed many valuable starters in his tenor here, so He must honestly think this kid deserves another chance.

(08-09-2015 03:52 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

I agree with this statement. I will say that Ruff runs a clean program and doesn't "bring in thugs at all cost". He has dismissed many valuable starters in his tenor here, so He must honestly think this kid deserves another chance.

LOL we turned away five star and all PAC12 guy Caleb Jones, notion we take anyone under the sun Marshall style is just uninformed.

(08-09-2015 05:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 03:52 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 01:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

I agree with this statement. I will say that Ruff runs a clean program and doesn't "bring in thugs at all cost". He has dismissed many valuable starters in his tenor here, so He must honestly think this kid deserves another chance.

LOL we turned away five star and all PAC12 guy Caleb Jones, notion we take anyone under the sun Marshall style is just uninformed.

We did not turn Cayleb Jones away, the UNC System prevented him from being admitted to ECU over his application and pending felony charges etc.. ECU would have taken Cayleb in a NY second as we should have.

I am not sure if this kid is worth the risk but hopefully he comes in and keeps his head down and works hard if he gets cleared to play.
I would agree it is very rare we take a transfer who has issues and under Ruff I cant recall any that had off the field issues other than academic eligibility

(08-09-2015 01:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  [quote='Kruciff' pid='12260480' dateline='1439144457']
If this kid were going to UCF or Marshall, the ECU fans would be falling over themselves in an effort to criticize, but since he's wearing purple and yellow I guess everything is just peachy.

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(08-09-2015 12:48 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 10:02 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  The two UCF fans, shall we start talking about GOL and the player that died? The wrongful death suite?

The kid is a walk-on, right now, dead last on depth chart. And, he had to be approved by a special committee on the University side.

This has no place in this conversation. No need for your poor, low blow attempt at trying to make a comeback by exploiting a tragedy

I see what you did there....

(08-08-2015 10:04 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  Bruh he is a walk on. Other schools that back off were offering scholly's. He did his time as decided by the court of law(if you do not agree with with the punishment for the crime he committed that your issue, not the the issue of any school he goes to) Its hard to not allow someone into college over a misdemeanor. If it was a felony charge he would not be on the team. He got into the university and decided to walk on the team.


Also not every ECU fan is thrilled about this, but Ruff has earned the benefit of the doubt with the fan base. The young man will defiantly be on a short leash. He better not get so much as a parking ticket on campus if he wants to one day see the field.

I agree with you although I do believe he shouldn't have been let off. Btw he will get an earful at brighthouse if he sees the field.

(08-09-2015 05:33 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 03:31 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:42 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 07:36 AM)knight-stick Wrote:  This kid is a punk that luckily didn't get a murder charge.
He started a fight with an innocent guy thinking the guy was a bouncer who kissed his girlfriend?
Then waits til his friend beats him to the ground before kicking him in the head?

Now for the rest of the story. No fight was started just words. The guy sucker punched Nelson after that from behind when he did Nelson's friend retaliated knocking the other gentleman to the ground Nelson got up embarrassed drunk and angry and kicked the guy in the head. When all the facts came out in court Nelson charges were reduced and he only had to do 10 hours of community service.

The dude had a 3% chance to live and suffered permanent brain damage. Sucker punch or not he shouldn't have stomped his head after he was on the ground. Suh was given a worse time after stomping someone with a helmet on

Damn... Could have saved trial and court time and just let you pass judgement with your halfassed assesment....

Damn skippy

(08-09-2015 10:02 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  The two UCF fans, shall we start talking about GOL and the player that died? The wrongful death suite?

The kid is a walk-on, right now, dead last on depth chart. And, he had to be approved by a special committee on the University side.

Sure why not. A big difference between that and intentionally kicking someone in the head after they "hit their head on a curb" and caused brain damage. Good luck with that argument.

Can a mod send this thread to smack board?

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