I have come up with a new D1 split just for football. I split FBS and FCS into three sub divisions. Working on logistics for finance, stadium size, scholarships for sure. Please leave comments.

I'm not paying so take your time.

ACC
ATLANTIC
Boston College
Clemson
Connecticut
Florida State
Louisville
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

COASTAL
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Navy
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

BIG XII
EAST
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas or NIU
Kansas State
Memphis
UCF
West Virginia

WEST
Baylor
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech

BIG TEN
EAST
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple

WEST
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin
NIU/Kansas

PAC-16
NORTH
Boise State
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Utah
Utah State
Washington
Washington State

SOUTH
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Fresno State
San Diego State
Stanford
UCLA
USC

SEC
EAST
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

WEST
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

[b]D-1B
[b][b][b][b]AAC
EAST
East Carolina
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Florida
Tulane

WEST
Houston
UL-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Rice
SMU
Tulsa

BIG SKY
EAST
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Northern Arizona
Northern Colorado
South Dakota State

WEST
Cal Poly-SLO
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Weber State

CAA
NORTH
Albany
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Stony Brook

SOUTH
Delaware
Elon
Monmouth
Richmond
Villanova
William & Mary

C-USA
EAST
Appalachain State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
James Madison
Liberty
Middle Tennessee

WEST
Arkansas State
Georgia State
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UTSA
Western Kentucky

MAC
EAST
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Ohio
Towson

WEST
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Miami OH
Toledo
Western Michigan

MISSOURI VALLEY
EAST
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

WEST
Illinois State
Missouri State
North Dakota State
Northern Iowa
South Dakota
Southeast MO State

MWC
MOUNTAIN
Air Force
Colorado Sate
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Wyoming

WEST
Hawaii
New Mexico
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Texas State
UTEP

SOUTHLAND
EAST
Abilene Christan
Central Arkansas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin

WEST
Furman
Lamar
McNeese State
Northwestern State
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana

D-1C
IVY
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Pennsylvania
Princeton
Yale

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman
Delaware State
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Morgan State
Norfolk State
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central
Savannah State
South Carolina State

NORTHEAST
Bryant
Central Connecticut
Duquesne
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Saint Francis
Wagner


OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

PIONEER
Butler
Campell
Davidson
Dayton
Drake
Jacksonville
Marist
Morehead State
San Diego
Stetson
Valparaiso

SOUTHERN
Charleston Southern
Chattanooga
Citadel
East Tennessee St
Gardner-Webb
Mercer
Presbyterian
Samford
VMI
Western Carolina
Wofford

SWAC
EAST
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn State
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley St

WEST
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Grambling
Prairie View A&M
Southern
Texas Southern

Diehard NIU fan, but there is no way in hell NIU makes B1G... we aren't AAU

MAYBE B12... maybe

(08-06-2015 05:15 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  ACC
ATLANTIC COASTAL
Boston College Duke
Clemson Georgia Tech
Connecticut Miami
Florida State Navy
Louisville North Carolina
North Carolina State Pittsburgh
Syracuse Virginia
Wake Forest Virginia Tech

Nope.

Ivy/Patriot would be together. Neither would sink to MEAC/Pioneer partnerships...

(08-06-2015 05:15 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  SOUTHLAND
EAST WEST
Abilene Christan Furman
Central Arkansas Lamar
Houston Baptist McNeese State
Incarnate Word Northwestern State
Sam Houston State Nicholls State
Stephen F. Austin Southeast Louisiana

You are aware that Furman is located in Greenville, South Carolina right? Not only is it asinine to have them in the Southland, but you have them in a West Division of the Southland.

And that's before mentioning the fact that you have all of the Louisiana teams in the West and the bulk of the Texas teams in the East.


Go home dude...you are drunk.

(08-06-2015 05:15 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  ACC
ATLANTIC
Boston College
Clemson
Connecticut
Florida State
Louisville
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

COASTAL
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Navy
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

BIG XII
EAST
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas or NIU
Kansas State
Memphis
UCF
West Virginia

WEST
Baylor
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech

BIG TEN
EAST
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple

WEST
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin
NIU/Kansas

PAC-16
NORTH
Boise State
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Utah
Utah State
Washington
Washington State

SOUTH
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Fresno State
San Diego State
Stanford
UCLA
USC

SEC
EAST
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

WEST
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

[b]D-1B
[b][b][b][b]AAC
EAST
East Carolina
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Florida
Tulane

WEST
Houston
UL-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Rice
SMU
Tulsa

BIG SKY
EAST
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Northern Arizona
Northern Colorado
South Dakota State

WEST
Cal Poly-SLO
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Weber State

CAA
NORTH
Albany
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Stony Brook

SOUTH
Delaware
Elon
Monmouth
Richmond
Villanova
William & Mary

C-USA
EAST
Appalachain State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
James Madison
Liberty
Middle Tennessee

WEST
Arkansas State
Georgia State
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UTSA
Western Kentucky

MAC
EAST
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Ohio
Towson

WEST
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Miami OH
Toledo
Western Michigan

MISSOURI VALLEY
EAST
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

WEST
Illinois State
Missouri State
North Dakota State
Northern Iowa
South Dakota
Southeast MO State

MWC
MOUNTAIN
Air Force
Colorado Sate
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Wyoming

WEST
Hawaii
New Mexico
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Texas State
UTEP

SOUTHLAND
EAST
Abilene Christan
Central Arkansas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin

WEST
Furman
Lamar
McNeese State
Northwestern State
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana

D-1C
IVY
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Pennsylvania
Princeton
Yale

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman
Delaware State
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Morgan State
Norfolk State
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central
Savannah State
South Carolina State

NORTHEAST
Bryant
Central Connecticut
Duquesne
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Saint Francis
Wagner


OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

PIONEER
Butler
Campell
Davidson
Dayton
Drake
Jacksonville
Marist
Morehead State
San Diego
Stetson
Valparaiso

SOUTHERN
Charleston Southern
Chattanooga
Citadel
East Tennessee St
Gardner-Webb
Mercer
Presbyterian
Samford
VMI
Western Carolina
Wofford

SWAC
EAST
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn State
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley St

WEST
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Grambling
Prairie View A&M
Southern
Texas Southern

Me thinks you have too much time on your hands............

(08-06-2015 05:15 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  ACC
ATLANTIC
Boston College
Clemson
Connecticut
Florida State
Louisville
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

COASTAL
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Navy
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

BIG XII
EAST
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas or NIU
Kansas State
Memphis
UCF
West Virginia

WEST
Baylor
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech

BIG TEN
EAST
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple

WEST
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin
NIU/Kansas

PAC-16
NORTH
Boise State
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Utah
Utah State
Washington
Washington State

SOUTH
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Fresno State
San Diego State
Stanford
UCLA
USC

SEC
EAST
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

WEST
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

[b]D-1B
[b][b][b][b]AAC
EAST
East Carolina
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Florida
Tulane

WEST
Houston
UL-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Rice
SMU
Tulsa

BIG SKY
EAST
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Northern Arizona
Northern Colorado
South Dakota State

WEST
Cal Poly-SLO
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Weber State

CAA
NORTH
Albany
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Stony Brook

SOUTH
Delaware
Elon
Monmouth
Richmond
Villanova
William & Mary

C-USA
EAST
Appalachain State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
James Madison
Liberty
Middle Tennessee

WEST
Arkansas State
Georgia State
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UTSA
Western Kentucky

MAC
EAST
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Ohio
Towson

WEST
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Miami OH
Toledo
Western Michigan

MISSOURI VALLEY
EAST
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

WEST
Illinois State
Missouri State
North Dakota State
Northern Iowa
South Dakota
Southeast MO State

MWC
MOUNTAIN
Air Force
Colorado Sate
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Wyoming

WEST
Hawaii
New Mexico
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Texas State
UTEP

SOUTHLAND
EAST
Abilene Christan
Central Arkansas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin

WEST
Furman
Lamar
McNeese State
Northwestern State
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana

D-1C
IVY
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Pennsylvania
Princeton
Yale

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman
Delaware State
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Morgan State
Norfolk State
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central
Savannah State
South Carolina State

NORTHEAST
Bryant
Central Connecticut
Duquesne
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Saint Francis
Wagner


OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

PIONEER
Butler
Campell
Davidson
Dayton
Drake
Jacksonville
Marist
Morehead State
San Diego
Stetson
Valparaiso

SOUTHERN
Charleston Southern
Chattanooga
Citadel
East Tennessee St
Gardner-Webb
Mercer
Presbyterian
Samford
VMI
Western Carolina
Wofford

SWAC
EAST
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn State
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley St

WEST
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Grambling
Prairie View A&M
Southern
Texas Southern

Move Florida A&M, Bethune Cookman and Savahna State to the SWAC.

Jacksonville State, Alabama State, Chattanooga and Dayton mentioned about FBS. Move them to FBS B. Patriot is missing. I could put them in 1 B as well.

There have been a number of D2 schools that been mentioned to move up.
Azusa Pacific, Humboldt State and Dixie State all could go to the Big Sky.
Tarlaton State, Texas A&M-Commerce, Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Texas A&M-Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Angelo State and Washburn all could be targets.
Colorado Mesa name changed could mean that they could go D1.
Colorado State-Pueblo and Colorado Mines are another 2 schools.
Western Oregon and Central Washington and even Western Washington could move up. Some of the Big Sky schools may not be able to move up to 1 B, but some GNAC might be able to. Put some Big Sky schools in 1C into the GNAC, and some GNAC into 1B in Big Sky.
North Alabama, Valdosta State, West Goergia, West Alabama, Florida Tech, West Florida and Delta State.
Tuskegee mentioned they want D1. They go into the SWAC.
Central State, Ohio and Bowie State with Fayetteville State goes to MEAC. Central mentioned they want D1. Bowie State added a blue turf a few years back.
CW Post mentioned D1 a year or 2 back.
Minn.-Duluth, Mankato State and Sioux Falls could move up as well.

Schools that could add football in a few years at the D1 level?

New Orleans, they announced that they will be starting football, but it is a delay pattern.
Wichita State so that they can become part of the MWC.
Long Beach State wants to be in the MWC.
Milwaukee
High Point, wants to build the campus up, and then football on the issue.
North Florida could add football, play in the pro stadium, and join the Sun Belt.

The worry of the basketball schools no matter what conference they are in is that the the P5 plus many G5 schools will leave the NCAA for all sports, and leave them behind. There is scrambling going on to add football and to get noticed to be part of the big guys table.

Mocs definitely wouldn't be third tier...

Welp.....You probably have too few in D1A. At 78, that division needs another 12 or so to fill in the holes. However, if D1A only needs 78 to operate, why on earth does D1B have 104 including many schools that have zero reason to be moving up a division. I could see 5 or 10 top FCS schools moving up---but there is zero need for these all those extra conferences.

Furthermore, if the G5 schools are content to go quietly into the night in this way (which they wouldn't be, my guess is there would be a huge law suit winding its way through the courts), then the key for their survival would be compact conferences with nearby rivals and low travel budgets. No reason to have the AAC, CUSA, MW, and Big Sky spread all over hells half acre and overlapping each other. Why on earth would all the schools in Texas want to be sprinkled over 3 or 4 different conferences traveling to the NE or west coast? How is that in any way helpful? Also, there would be no reason to bring up whole FCS conferences when only the top few teams would be competitive and the rest would be garbage with high school facilities and less than high school attendance.

Im sure I wont be very happy with any apocalyptic G5-P5 Division One split scenario where my team gets stuck in the kiddie pool---but this vision doesn't look like what I think might happen in such a college landscape. I think it will be all about cutting expenses because once the G5 fall out of the top level of football into some completely irrelevant pee-wee division, ticket sales will decline, fan interest will plummet, media money will largely vanish, and donations will fall off the edge of the table. That's largely what we see at the FCS level. Public interest is basically zero. The average college football fan has no idea who won the FCS championship last year---furthermore---they don't care that they don't know. That's what the G5 will be facing. Revenue will slow to a trickle. Since there will be no way to create new revenue streams, cutting expenses will be the only way to balance he budget.

Thus, I look for small, compact conferences with lots of drivable games. No reason to have 12 team conferences if it makes the footprint too big. TV dollars wont be a factor--so big footprints would be undesirable. Small footprints with small travel budgets will be the norm. Think bus leagues. If there are just 9 nearby schools---then that's your ideal conference size. Nearby fan bases will travel and help fill opponent stadiums. The left behinds will need all the help they can get.

(08-06-2015 09:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Welp.....You probably have too few in D1A. At 78, that division needs another 12 or so to fill in the holes. However, if D1A only needs 78 to operate, why on earth does D1B have 104 including many schools that have zero reason to be moving up a division. I could see 5 or 10 top FCS schools moving up---but there is zero need for these all those extra conferences.

Furthermore, if the G5 schools are content to go quietly into the night in this way (which they wouldn't be, my guess is there would be a huge law suit winding its way through the courts), then the key for their survival would be compact conferences with nearby rivals and low travel budgets. No reason to have the AAC, CUSA, MW, and Big Sky spread all over hells half acre and overlapping each other. Why on earth would all the schools in Texas want to be sprinkled over 3 or 4 different conferences traveling to the NE or west coast? How is that in any way helpful? Also, there would be no reason to bring up whole FCS conferences when only the top few teams would be competitive and the rest would be garbage with high school facilities and less than high school attendance.

Im sure I wont be very happy with any apocalyptic G5-P5 Division One split scenario where my team gets stuck in the kiddie pool---but this vision doesn't look like what I think might happen in such a college landscape. I think it will be all about cutting expenses because once the G5 fall out of the top level of football into some completely irrelevant pee-wee division, ticket sales will decline, fan interest will plummet, media money will largely vanish, and donations will fall off the edge of the table. That's largely what we see at the FCS level. Public interest is basically zero. The average college football fan has no idea who won the FCS championship last year---furthermore---they don't care that they don't know. That's what the G5 will be facing. Revenue will slow to a trickle. Since there will be no way to create new revenue streams, cutting expenses will be the only way to balance he budget.

Thus, I look for small, compact conferences with lots of drivable games. No reason to have 12 team conferences if it makes the footprint too big. TV dollars wont be a factor--so big footprints would be undesirable. Small footprints with small travel budgets will be the norm. Think bus leagues. If there are just 9 nearby schools---then that's your ideal conference size. Nearby fan bases will travel and help fill opponent stadiums. The left behinds will need all the help they can get.

I agree with the idea of that level needing as compact conferences as possible but the MWC is not going to get much more compact. Western conferences tend to have trouble making themselves compact just by the sheer nature of large states with low populations that schools out west tend to have outside of the literal west coast.

(08-06-2015 09:49 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(08-06-2015 09:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Welp.....You probably have too few in D1A. At 78, that division needs another 12 or so to fill in the holes. However, if D1A only needs 78 to operate, why on earth does D1B have 104 including many schools that have zero reason to be moving up a division. I could see 5 or 10 top FCS schools moving up---but there is zero need for these all those extra conferences.

Furthermore, if the G5 schools are content to go quietly into the night in this way (which they wouldn't be, my guess is there would be a huge law suit winding its way through the courts), then the key for their survival would be compact conferences with nearby rivals and low travel budgets. No reason to have the AAC, CUSA, MW, and Big Sky spread all over hells half acre and overlapping each other. Why on earth would all the schools in Texas want to be sprinkled over 3 or 4 different conferences traveling to the NE or west coast? How is that in any way helpful? Also, there would be no reason to bring up whole FCS conferences when only the top few teams would be competitive and the rest would be garbage with high school facilities and less than high school attendance.

Im sure I wont be very happy with any apocalyptic G5-P5 Division One split scenario where my team gets stuck in the kiddie pool---but this vision doesn't look like what I think might happen in such a college landscape. I think it will be all about cutting expenses because once the G5 fall out of the top level of football into some completely irrelevant pee-wee division, ticket sales will decline, fan interest will plummet, media money will largely vanish, and donations will fall off the edge of the table. That's largely what we see at the FCS level. Public interest is basically zero. The average college football fan has no idea who won the FCS championship last year---furthermore---they don't care that they don't know. That's what the G5 will be facing. Revenue will slow to a trickle. Since there will be no way to create new revenue streams, cutting expenses will be the only way to balance he budget.

Thus, I look for small, compact conferences with lots of drivable games. No reason to have 12 team conferences if it makes the footprint too big. TV dollars wont be a factor--so big footprints would be undesirable. Small footprints with small travel budgets will be the norm. Think bus leagues. If there are just 9 nearby schools---then that's your ideal conference size. Nearby fan bases will travel and help fill opponent stadiums. The left behinds will need all the help they can get.

I agree with the idea of that level needing as compact conferences as possible but the MWC is not going to get much more compact. Western conferences tend to have trouble making themselves compact just by the sheer nature of large states with low populations that schools out west tend to have outside of the literal west coast.

The Big East might not survive the way they are structure with 10 schools. Iowa is the fartest west, and they were thinking of adding Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

The Southland conference is the most compact there is. They could still add from the Texas schools that wanted to move up, Central Oklahoma, East Central, SW Oklahoma State, Arkansas Tech, Henderson State and Delta State. Missouri Southern and Washburn could also fit in the Southland.

(08-06-2015 05:04 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  I have come up with a new D1 split just for football. I split FBS and FCS into three sub divisions. Working on logistics for finance, stadium size, scholarships for sure. Please leave comments.

Did you do any research or just fill out a list? If you use your criteria you may want to reevaluate the list or at least the bottom part.

(08-06-2015 05:15 PM)406Vandal Wrote:  ACC
ATLANTIC
Boston College
Clemson
Connecticut
Florida State
Louisville
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

COASTAL
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Navy
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

BIG XII
EAST
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas or NIU
Kansas State
Memphis
UCF
West Virginia

WEST
Baylor
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech

BIG TEN
EAST
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Temple

WEST
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin
NIU/Kansas

PAC-16
NORTH
Boise State
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Utah
Utah State
Washington
Washington State

SOUTH
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Fresno State
San Diego State
Stanford
UCLA
USC

SEC
EAST
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

WEST
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

[b]D-1B
[b][b][b][b]AAC
EAST
East Carolina
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Florida
Tulane

WEST
Houston
UL-Lafayette
Louisiana Tech
Rice
SMU
Tulsa

BIG SKY
EAST
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
Northern Arizona
Northern Colorado
South Dakota State

WEST
Cal Poly-SLO
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
UC Davis
Weber State

CAA
NORTH
Albany
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Stony Brook

SOUTH
Delaware
Elon
Monmouth
Richmond
Villanova
William & Mary

C-USA
EAST
Appalachain State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
James Madison
Liberty
Middle Tennessee

WEST
Arkansas State
Georgia State
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UTSA
Western Kentucky

MAC
EAST
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Ohio
Towson

WEST
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Miami OH
Toledo
Western Michigan

MISSOURI VALLEY
EAST
Eastern Illinois
Eastern Kentucky
Indiana State
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Youngstown State

WEST
Illinois State
Missouri State
North Dakota State
Northern Iowa
South Dakota
Southeast MO State

MWC
MOUNTAIN
Air Force
Colorado Sate
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Wyoming

WEST
Hawaii
New Mexico
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Texas State
UTEP

SOUTHLAND
EAST
Abilene Christan
Central Arkansas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin

WEST
Furman
Lamar
McNeese State
Northwestern State
Nicholls State
Southeast Louisiana

D-1C
IVY
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Pennsylvania
Princeton
Yale

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman
Delaware State
Florida A&M
Hampton
Howard
Morgan State
Norfolk State
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central
Savannah State
South Carolina State

NORTHEAST
Bryant
Central Connecticut
Duquesne
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart
Saint Francis
Wagner


OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

OHIO VALLEY
Austin Peay
Kennessaw State
Jacksonville State
Murray State
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
UT- Martin

PIONEER
Butler
Campell
Davidson
Dayton
Drake
Jacksonville
Marist
Morehead State
San Diego
Stetson
Valparaiso

SOUTHERN
Charleston Southern
Chattanooga
Citadel
East Tennessee St
Gardner-Webb
Mercer
Presbyterian
Samford
VMI
Western Carolina
Wofford

SWAC
EAST
Alabama A&M
Alabama State
Alcorn State
Jackson State
Mississippi Valley St

WEST
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Grambling
Prairie View A&M
Southern
Texas Southern

Why on earth would the Big 10 take Northern Illinois and Temple?

Did Notre Dane terminate their program or did I miss them on the list?

The idea to split Div 1 into 3 subdivisions is interesting. Sometimes it seems like Big Sky and MVFC would be grouped better with the MAC, sunbelt and CUSA than having the MAC, sunbelt, and CUSA grouped with the P5.

The trick is finding that magic line between 1-A and 1-B as you call it. Schools like Houston, Cincy, UCF, USF, Uconn, CSU, New Mexico, BYU, Boise, SDSU probably make the cut. The rest of the MWC and AAC are border-line but you could also throw in Memphis, ECU, Tulane, UNLV, Nev, Hawaii, Fresno, SMU.

I would leave out Temple, Tulsa, Navy, AFA, Army, SJSU, USU, Wyoming. CUSA and Big Sky seem more their level.

Not a big fan of the service academies playing at the highest level. I understand the fan appeal but there are logistical reasons why they should not be in a P5 conference.

So anyway that leaves 65+18 = 83 teams in Subdivision 1-A

(08-07-2015 08:20 AM)Jimi357 Wrote:  Did Notre Dane terminate their program or did I miss them on the list?

Since they are so much more important than everybody else they are in their own classification.

I say, either do relegation like European soccer or make teams buy their way into going up a division.

Or just win a lot and you'll move up. Winning cures everything.

(08-07-2015 08:29 AM)goofus Wrote:  The idea to split Div 1 into 3 subdivisions is interesting. Sometimes it seems like Big Sky and MVFC would be grouped better with the MAC, sunbelt and CUSA than having the MAC, sunbelt, and CUSA grouped with the P5.

The trick is finding that magic line between 1-A and 1-B as you call it. Schools like Houston, Cincy, UCF, USF, Uconn, CSU, New Mexico, BYU, Boise, SDSU probably make the cut. The rest of the MWC and AAC are border-line but you could also throw in Memphis, ECU, Tulane, UNLV, Nev, Hawaii, Fresno, SMU.

I would leave out Temple, Tulsa, Navy, AFA, Army, SJSU, USU, Wyoming. CUSA and Big Sky seem more their level.

Not a big fan of the service academies playing at the highest level. I understand the fan appeal but there are logistical reasons why they should not be in a P5 conference.

So anyway that leaves 65+18 = 83 teams in Subdivision 1-A

Navy beat Notre Dame a few years back.
North Dakota State has a winning record against P5 schools.
Eastern Washington is beating P5 schools lately.
Utah State almost beat Auburn, and have upset wins against P5 schools.
Northern Iowa beat Iowa State and almost beat Iowa.
La.-Monroe, La.-Lafayette, Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Toledo, Youngstown State, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and some others have beaten P5 schools.

The problem is that schools in the G5 conference can play against P5 schools better than others. That could be the same for FCS schools that could be part of level 1 as will. I heard that a state with the most population can have more FBS teams.
New York
Massachusetts
Pennsylvania
Florida
Washington
California
Texas
Minnesota
North Carolina
Virginia
Colorado

So each 1 million population for 1 schools.
Most of the population of Washington is on the coast from the border of Canada down to Olympia. I could see a couple of more Washington schools be added at the FBS level like Eastern Washington and Western Washington or Central Washington?

I could see UCF and USF gets added somewhere to represent the population of Florida.

Villanova and Temple could be regulated as well for Penn.

U. Mass. part of the P5 would represent a state school, a land grant and a state flagship.

New York needs more than just Syracuse to represent their population. Buffalo, Stony Brook and Fordham are close to be P5. CW Post wants to look into D1.