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Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
Besides Notre Dame. They are the obvious outlier.

Nebraska doesn't have it now, but did at time of admission. Imagine if they still had it...would Oklahoma even be a rumor?

Is it a deal breaker?
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
AAU first option over any other. It matters among B1G Presidents. However, a powerful enough brand can counter the lack of an AAU status, but it helps if a partner is a major research power/AAU.

Kansas and Oklahoma will pass through for two reasons:

Kansas is AAU

Oklahoma is a major football brand.

Oklahoma would not get passed a vote of admissions on their academic merits alone.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
Paging H1.

You believe that OK has been vetted and is on "the list", right?

What does Delany then say when asked about his AAU-only statement from a while back?
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 07:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Compare this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

to this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

All shows up there is the selection screen. I assume you had plugged in some parameters there.

But speaking of comparisons, what about "not a requirement" compared to the O'Bannon trial:

http://www.cbssports.com/images/CBS-Spor...timony.pdf

THE COURT: TALK ABOUT YOUR CONFERENCE. IF YOU COULD
JUST TELL ME AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO GET INTO YOUR CONFERENCE.

THE WITNESS: WELL, I THINK THE FIRST REQUIREMENT
WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD, AT THE TIME OF MEMBERSHIP, YOU WOULD
BE A MEMBER OF THE AAU. ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS AT THE TIME OF
MEMBERSHIP ARE MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF
UNIVERSITIES, ONE. TWO, THAT YOU WOULD SPONSOR BROAD-BASED
PROGRAMS. THREE, THAT YOU WOULD SUBSCRIBE TO THE COMMITMENT
OF BROAD BASED --
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Agreed, both were vetted and are prime targets for the conference.

I just wish that West Virginia were one as well, that is our fanbase's most beloved rivalry that was lost via conference realignment.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 07:48 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 07:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Compare this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

to this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

All shows up there is the selection screen. I assume you had plugged in some parameters there.

But speaking of comparisons, what about "not a requirement" compared to the O'Bannon trial:

http://www.cbssports.com/images/CBS-Spor...timony.pdf

THE COURT: TALK ABOUT YOUR CONFERENCE. IF YOU COULD
JUST TELL ME AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO GET INTO YOUR CONFERENCE.

THE WITNESS: WELL, I THINK THE FIRST REQUIREMENT
WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD, AT THE TIME OF MEMBERSHIP, YOU WOULD
BE A MEMBER OF THE AAU. ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS AT THE TIME OF
MEMBERSHIP ARE MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF
UNIVERSITIES, ONE. TWO, THAT YOU WOULD SPONSOR BROAD-BASED
PROGRAMS. THREE, THAT YOU WOULD SUBSCRIBE TO THE COMMITMENT
OF BROAD BASED --

Ahh, alright. Yes, I put Oklahoma in as a school....you find them as The University of Oklahoma and I also put football in as a field for sport.

Then in the second one I put The Big Ten in the conference field and football as the sport. Compare the numbers, Oklahoma fits academically. The aren't AAU but they bring other strong aspects to the table, aspects The Big Ten needs out West.

As far as the statement in that court proceeding? Sounds a bit of grandstanding. It sounds like a tailor made statement based upon the changed circumstances of Nebraska. Another tailor made statement could be made after Oklahoma joins but...it wont have to be.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 08:08 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Agreed, both were vetted and are prime targets for the conference.

I just wish that West Virginia were one as well, that is our fanbase's most beloved rivalry that was lost via conference realignment.

I actually wouldn't mind West Virginia. I think they would make for a great addition to Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers as a four team division. The problem is though that Gordon Gee runs the school. There are other issues as well but he was ran out of Ohio State.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is obviously a great school with special rules. I can't say the same about Oklahoma or Florida State.

Just going off of CWUR 2015 rankings. Iowa is #141, good for 13th in the B1G....and Nebraska is at #314. I would be absolutely shocked if the B1G invited anyone who wasn't at LEAST better than Nebraska.

Florida State is at #252...but Delany seems pretty proud of the "geographic" portion of his conference...so I doubt they would get an invite. Oklahoma is at #350...which is below Nebraska by a bit. Notre Dame is at #77.

Compared to a few other names who have been tossed around for the B1G. Kansas (AAU) is at #196, Missouri (AAU) at #194, UConn at #218, and West Virginia at #441.

I guess I just don't see it.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-05-2015 08:08 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Agreed, both were vetted and are prime targets for the conference.

I just wish that West Virginia were one as well, that is our fanbase's most beloved rivalry that was lost via conference realignment.

As a Rutgers fan I can't disagree with you more vehemently. The only good part about the break up of the Big East is that Rutgers never had to play West Virginia again. Completely separate from the fact that WVU had are number, WVU always had the worst traveling fans. I would rather be in the MAC than in a conference with West Virginia again.
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(08-06-2015 08:50 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is obviously a great school with special rules. I can't say the same about Oklahoma or Florida State.

Just going off of CWUR 2015 rankings. Iowa is #141, good for 13th in the B1G....and Nebraska is at #314. I would be absolutely shocked if the B1G invited anyone who wasn't at LEAST better than Nebraska.

Florida State is at #252...but Delany seems pretty proud of the "geographic" portion of his conference...so I doubt they would get an invite. Oklahoma is at #350...which is below Nebraska by a bit. Notre Dame is at #77.

Compared to a few other names who have been tossed around for the B1G. Kansas (AAU) is at #196, Missouri (AAU) at #194, UConn at #218, and West Virginia at #441.

I guess I just don't see it.

It says right there in my quote that Delany, back in 2010, didn't care all that much about those kind of rankings.

Florida State is part of a larger grab of schools. I guess you aren't aware of that scenario.

The scenario is that UVA, UNC, Duke, GT and FSU all join the Big Ten. Yes, FSU is worth taking if they are a stipulation by schools such as UNC, UVA and GT.


As far as Oklahoma being worth it? I really don't think you understand what is at stake, what will be available to the conferences after this all happens. That being said, I can understand why you wouldn't think Oklahoma is valuable enough. They are though, they were vetted along with KU.

You don't vet someone that you don't want. You vet someone that you want just to make sure there isn't anything there to change your mind.
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(08-06-2015 03:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 08:50 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is obviously a great school with special rules. I can't say the same about Oklahoma or Florida State.

Just going off of CWUR 2015 rankings. Iowa is #141, good for 13th in the B1G....and Nebraska is at #314. I would be absolutely shocked if the B1G invited anyone who wasn't at LEAST better than Nebraska.

Florida State is at #252...but Delany seems pretty proud of the "geographic" portion of his conference...so I doubt they would get an invite. Oklahoma is at #350...which is below Nebraska by a bit. Notre Dame is at #77.

Compared to a few other names who have been tossed around for the B1G. Kansas (AAU) is at #196, Missouri (AAU) at #194, UConn at #218, and West Virginia at #441.

I guess I just don't see it.

It says right there in my quote that Delany, back in 2010, didn't care all that much about those kind of rankings.

Florida State is part of a larger grab of schools. I guess you aren't aware of that scenario.

The scenario is that UVA, UNC, Duke, GT and FSU all join the Big Ten. Yes, FSU is worth taking if they are a stipulation by schools such as UNC, UVA and GT.


As far as Oklahoma being worth it? I really don't think you understand what is at stake, what will be available to the conferences after this all happens. That being said, I can understand why you wouldn't think Oklahoma is valuable enough. They are though, they were vetted along with KU.

You don't vet someone that you don't want. You vet someone that you want just to make sure there isn't anything there to change your mind.

They vetted quite a few schools, Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, West Virginia....Just because they vet a school, doesn't mean they are going to add them.

I don't doubt that Oklahoma has had talks...I just think that it would be such a 180 turn to add them when they have preached about academics (AAU) and contiguous footprint to add Oklahoma. Even if kansas were to come at the same time, I still find it hard to believe that they would make that kind of move.

Also...just to clarify Delany referred to rankings in a magazine...a tad different than CWUR.

I just find the ACC/Florida State scenario (outside Virginia) a bit unrealistic in any case.
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(08-06-2015 04:45 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 03:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 08:50 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 06:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...ny-rutgers


Quote:Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany downplayed that Tuesday by saying: "I don't know about rankings in a magazine. I think AAU membership is an important part of who we are, an important aspect of what makes an institution a research institution that serves the public."

But Delany stopped short of saying it would be a requirement for entry — "I don't know what's mandatory because we are not there yet" — and no one believes it would matter in Notre Dame's case.

This was back in 2010. No, AAU is not a requirement. It is merely one measuring block among many. Having it is very important. If you don't have it then you better damn well have some other aspects that are stellar for you to get in.

That is why people point to the likes of Notre Dame as a potential. Other's on that list? Florida State and Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is obviously a great school with special rules. I can't say the same about Oklahoma or Florida State.

Just going off of CWUR 2015 rankings. Iowa is #141, good for 13th in the B1G....and Nebraska is at #314. I would be absolutely shocked if the B1G invited anyone who wasn't at LEAST better than Nebraska.

Florida State is at #252...but Delany seems pretty proud of the "geographic" portion of his conference...so I doubt they would get an invite. Oklahoma is at #350...which is below Nebraska by a bit. Notre Dame is at #77.

Compared to a few other names who have been tossed around for the B1G. Kansas (AAU) is at #196, Missouri (AAU) at #194, UConn at #218, and West Virginia at #441.

I guess I just don't see it.

It says right there in my quote that Delany, back in 2010, didn't care all that much about those kind of rankings.

Florida State is part of a larger grab of schools. I guess you aren't aware of that scenario.

The scenario is that UVA, UNC, Duke, GT and FSU all join the Big Ten. Yes, FSU is worth taking if they are a stipulation by schools such as UNC, UVA and GT.


As far as Oklahoma being worth it? I really don't think you understand what is at stake, what will be available to the conferences after this all happens. That being said, I can understand why you wouldn't think Oklahoma is valuable enough. They are though, they were vetted along with KU.

You don't vet someone that you don't want. You vet someone that you want just to make sure there isn't anything there to change your mind.

They vetted quite a few schools, Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, West Virginia....Just because they vet a school, doesn't mean they are going to add them.

I don't doubt that Oklahoma has had talks...I just think that it would be such a 180 turn to add them when they have preached about academics (AAU) and contiguous footprint to add Oklahoma. Even if kansas were to come at the same time, I still find it hard to believe that they would make that kind of move.

Also...just to clarify Delany referred to rankings in a magazine...a tad different than CWUR.

I just find the ACC/Florida State scenario (outside Virginia) a bit unrealistic in any case.

Oklahoma is contiguous when you add Kansas too. CWUR rankings are NEVER cited by Deleny where as AAU is quite often. You can infer from that lack of attention that CWUR aren't considered that much by him and the magazine ranking comment applies.

The talk of Oklahoma to the SEC was mentioned to help a small number of Big Ten Presidents that they need to decide on Oklahoma soon because if they balk for too long then The Big Ten's choices are going to be even more limited.

I am not a huge fan of KU and OU joining but it's the Conference's best option.

The North Carolina plus friends option was the best option in my opinion. Someone leaked though and the UNC admin took a lot of heat. We know that because they actually released a whole lot of their emails on the situation. There was a whole lot of friction over joining The Big Ten and very little about joining The SEC. They could have joined The SEC with no problem from fans and most of their donors. It was their Academia that preferred The Big Ten and wouldn't stand for a move to The SEC.

The six team addition from the ACC was a very real option. Maryland was part of that, when the rest balked though, The Big Ten moved on Maryland. It would have happened even earlier but The Big Ten might have gotten played on that one. They could have pulled the trigger before the Exit Fee was voted on but they were waiting....

OU/KU is the conference's best option and the opportunity cost of not taking them is too large to not make that move.

The option most higher ups love is the one of taking Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri from the West while also taking Virginia Tech and Syracuse in the East thus then allowing most of the rest of the ACC to join The SEC while the rest of the big 12 is taken in by The PAC. I don't see that happening though.
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(08-05-2015 08:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 07:48 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 07:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Compare this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

to this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

All shows up there is the selection screen. I assume you had plugged in some parameters there.

But speaking of comparisons, what about "not a requirement" compared to the O'Bannon trial:

http://www.cbssports.com/images/CBS-Spor...timony.pdf

THE COURT: TALK ABOUT YOUR CONFERENCE. IF YOU COULD
JUST TELL ME AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO GET INTO YOUR CONFERENCE.

THE WITNESS: WELL, I THINK THE FIRST REQUIREMENT
WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD, AT THE TIME OF MEMBERSHIP, YOU WOULD
BE A MEMBER OF THE AAU. ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS AT THE TIME OF
MEMBERSHIP ARE MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF
UNIVERSITIES, ONE. TWO, THAT YOU WOULD SPONSOR BROAD-BASED
PROGRAMS. THREE, THAT YOU WOULD SUBSCRIBE TO THE COMMITMENT
OF BROAD BASED --

Ahh, alright. Yes, I put Oklahoma in as a school....you find them as The University of Oklahoma and I also put football in as a field for sport.

Then in the second one I put The Big Ten in the conference field and football as the sport. Compare the numbers, Oklahoma fits academically. The aren't AAU but they bring other strong aspects to the table, aspects The Big Ten needs out West.

As far as the statement in that court proceeding? Sounds a bit of grandstanding. It sounds like a tailor made statement based upon the changed circumstances of Nebraska. Another tailor made statement could be made after Oklahoma joins but...it wont have to be.

Don't forget that Delaney was testifying under oath in a judicial proceeding. I would be much more inclined to believe his statements here than in the media.

Having said that, I think Delaney is reciting the party line from University Presidents as his testimony but he may think there is more flexibility in practice.
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(08-07-2015 11:57 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 08:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 07:48 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  
(08-05-2015 07:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Compare this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

to this.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

All shows up there is the selection screen. I assume you had plugged in some parameters there.

But speaking of comparisons, what about "not a requirement" compared to the O'Bannon trial:

http://www.cbssports.com/images/CBS-Spor...timony.pdf

THE COURT: TALK ABOUT YOUR CONFERENCE. IF YOU COULD
JUST TELL ME AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO GET INTO YOUR CONFERENCE.

THE WITNESS: WELL, I THINK THE FIRST REQUIREMENT
WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD, AT THE TIME OF MEMBERSHIP, YOU WOULD
BE A MEMBER OF THE AAU. ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS AT THE TIME OF
MEMBERSHIP ARE MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF
UNIVERSITIES, ONE. TWO, THAT YOU WOULD SPONSOR BROAD-BASED
PROGRAMS. THREE, THAT YOU WOULD SUBSCRIBE TO THE COMMITMENT
OF BROAD BASED --

Ahh, alright. Yes, I put Oklahoma in as a school....you find them as The University of Oklahoma and I also put football in as a field for sport.

Then in the second one I put The Big Ten in the conference field and football as the sport. Compare the numbers, Oklahoma fits academically. The aren't AAU but they bring other strong aspects to the table, aspects The Big Ten needs out West.

As far as the statement in that court proceeding? Sounds a bit of grandstanding. It sounds like a tailor made statement based upon the changed circumstances of Nebraska. Another tailor made statement could be made after Oklahoma joins but...it wont have to be.

Don't forget that Delaney was testifying under oath in a judicial proceeding. I would be much more inclined to believe his statements here than in the media.

Having said that, I think Delaney is reciting the party line from University Presidents as his testimony but he may think there is more flexibility in practice.

The thing about "requirements", that can be changed at any time and that change does not mean that the requirements were not exactly as Delany said during the time of said testimony.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
Here's another way to look at the AAU - Academics requirement. The B1G is primarily focused on research institutions. If AAU status is not a prerequisite - if great academics alone were sufficient - what non-AAU schools would the B1G consider.

US News ranks graduate engineering programs, which is one of the fundamental research areas for universities. While that may be a bit narrow (other STEM programs and medical research would be important too), it provides an interesting way to compare B1G programs with others. Here are the B1G rankings and the rankings for the Big 12 and ACC. Every B1G school with an engineering program (Indiana has none) is in the top 100, with 10 in the top 50 and 7 in the top 25:

US News Graduate School Engineering rankings (including ties)

B1G
Purdue (6), Illinois (6), Michigan (6), Wisconsin (14), Northwestern (21), Maryland (23), Penn. St. (25), Minnesota (28), Ohio State (32), Michigan State (49), Rutgers (56), Iowa (63), Nebraska (90)

Big 12
Texas (10), Iowa State (43), Kansas (90), Kansas State (94), Texas Tech (94), Oklahoma (99), West Virginia (107), Baylor (117)

ACC
Georgia Tech (6), Virginia Tech (21), Duke (28), NC State (28), Virginia (39), Pitt (43), Notre Dame (49), Clemson (71), Syracuse (74), North Carolina (83), Miami (111).

A couple interesting points stand out. In the Big 12, neither Kansas nor Oklahoma are great. They are both at about the Nebraska level and would come in at the bottom of the B1G engineering schools. That won't help their cause in getting an invitation.

In the ACC, Virginia Tech and NC State actually rank significantly higher than their in-state rivals Virginia and North Carolina. UVA and UNC have always been speculated as the B1G's targets in the ACC, but if they are not available, VTech and NC St. would seem to fit in well academically too. Could an east coast expansion of the B1G with VTech, NC State and Georgia Tech be a possibility?
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
I have always been about the East Coast expansion first. Personally, I think UNC made it loud and clear that their administration does not want to go to the SEC. Their donors and fans made it very clear they do not want UNC to go to The Big Ten. As long as UNC is going to try to maintain the ACC, I don't think anyone is available in the ACC. The window of opportunity is pretty much closed. The 52 million was capable of being challenged early on but too much time has passed now. Virginia Tech might be worth it for us but you are talking three schools which gets us to 17 schools. What happens then?

The situation with Oklahoma and Kansas is that they are our best option overall if the big 12 is to be picked apart. I get it, you don't want them but they truly are our best option and so what if they would be at the bottom of the conference's academic rankings. They are still within the top 100 of these rankings of yours while at the same time bringing our sports conference two Blue Chip programs. The mentality is changing within The Big Ten. They all want athletics to start bringing in more money to the school itself. Oklahoma and Kansas are great at helping in that regard.
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(08-08-2015 09:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I have always been about the East Coast expansion first. Personally, I think UNC made it loud and clear that their administration does not want to go to the SEC. Their donors and fans made it very clear they do not want UNC to go to The Big Ten. As long as UNC is going to try to maintain the ACC, I don't think anyone is available in the ACC. The window of opportunity is pretty much closed. The 52 million was capable of being challenged early on but too much time has passed now. Virginia Tech might be worth it for us but you are talking three schools which gets us to 17 schools. What happens then?

The situation with Oklahoma and Kansas is that they are our best option overall if the big 12 is to be picked apart. I get it, you don't want them but they truly are our best option and so what if they would be at the bottom of the conference's academic rankings. They are still within the top 100 of these rankings of yours while at the same time bringing our sports conference two Blue Chip programs. The mentality is changing within The Big Ten. They all want athletics to start bringing in more money to the school itself. Oklahoma and Kansas are great at helping in that regard.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Personally, I'd love to see KU and OU in the B1G. I used to watch the Oklahoma - Nebraska game sometimes because I loved the pageantry and rivalry. Adding KU for basketball would be outstanding.

However, by taking those two schools the B1G would essentially concede that either east coast expansion will not likely occur or that the B1G is willing to go past 16 teams. I still think the B1G wants to have a little 'dry powder' for expansion when the ACC GOR nears expiration. I don't think 16 is the max, based on Delaney's statements, but if it is then maybe the B1G waits.

Based on the current scuttlebutt, the next phase of realignment will probably happen in stages, with the Big 12 breaking up first. As a college football fan, I'd like to see 4 relatively balanced conferences, with the conference champs going to the playoffs. So for me, KU and OU to the B1G, and Texas to the ACC as a quasi-independent like ND would be just fine.

If that happens, the Big 12 either disbands or adds second tier teams and clearly drops a notch below P4. That virtually assures the ACC will survive and if the ACC survives, UVA, UNC and Duke will stay in it.

However, I could see ESPN putting some pressure on the ACC to diminish the overlaps in Virginia and North Carolina, in part because both the SEC and B1G covet those media markets. Virginia Tech and NC State would be the candidates to move to another conference - maybe the SEC, maybe B1G or maybe split them - VT to B1G, NC St. to SEC - and have them each pick up a former Big 12 member as the second expansion team.

That approach allows the ACC to can expand into new territories like NYC by picking up UConn and Ohio by taking Cincinnati. It also leaves room to add ND and Texas full-time, if they will do it - and at that point they may have no choice. The SEC and B1G will not allow them to be partial members and if forced to choose, both ND and Texas at that point would pick the ACC.

The result is four relatively competitive conferences, each with a few blue blood programs and a cadre of good schools to back them up.
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(08-08-2015 11:24 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  I don't necessarily disagree with you. Personally, I'd love to see KU and OU in the B1G. I used to watch the Oklahoma - Nebraska game sometimes because I loved the pageantry and rivalry. Adding KU for basketball would be outstanding.

However, by taking those two schools the B1G would essentially concede that either east coast expansion will not likely occur or that the B1G is willing to go past 16 teams. I still think the B1G wants to have a little 'dry powder' for expansion when the ACC GOR nears expiration. I don't think 16 is the max, based on Delaney's statements, but if it is then maybe the B1G waits.

Based on the current scuttlebutt, the next phase of realignment will probably happen in stages, with the Big 12 breaking up first. As a college football fan, I'd like to see 4 relatively balanced conferences, with the conference champs going to the playoffs. So for me, KU and OU to the B1G, and Texas to the ACC as a quasi-independent like ND would be just fine.

If that happens, the Big 12 either disbands or adds second tier teams and clearly drops a notch below P4. That virtually assures the ACC will survive and if the ACC survives, UVA, UNC and Duke will stay in it.

However, I could see ESPN putting some pressure on the ACC to diminish the overlaps in Virginia and North Carolina, in part because both the SEC and B1G covet those media markets. Virginia Tech and NC State would be the candidates to move to another conference - maybe the SEC, maybe B1G or maybe split them - VT to B1G, NC St. to SEC - and have them each pick up a former Big 12 member as the second expansion team.

That approach allows the ACC to can expand into new territories like NYC by picking up UConn and Ohio by taking Cincinnati. It also leaves room to add ND and Texas full-time, if they will do it - and at that point they may have no choice. The SEC and B1G will not allow them to be partial members and if forced to choose, both ND and Texas at that point would pick the ACC.

The result is four relatively competitive conferences, each with a few blue blood programs and a cadre of good schools to back them up.

And just who are you adding to the Pac-12 that have value out west? The Big 12's misfit toys?

Either way, the club is basically going to remain the same. In 1998 when the 6 major conferences of the time started the BCS, there were 63 teams from those conferences that got big boy seats. At the start of the Playoff you have 65 schools with big boy seats. The only team kicked out of the club was Temple/ UConn (depending on how you want to look at things).
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