(08-16-2015 03:51 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 07:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 08:09 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  [quote='MplsBison' pid='12275137' dateline='1439678934'] I've told you multiple times now what the correct definition of potential is. You believe whatever you want to believe.

You've claimed multiple times that your definition is the correct definition.

But you are the only source for that definition. Your support for your claim is simply repeating the claim. But proof by repetition is not actually proof.

"Market potential" from study.com:

Quote:Market potential is the entire size of the market for a product at a specific time. It represents the upper limits of the market for a product. Market potential is usually measured either by sales value or sales volume. [/quot
Businessdictionary.com:

Quote: The estimated maximum total sales revenue of all suppliers of a product in a market during a certain period.

(Or we could ask an academic economist, but that would be cheating.)

(08-15-2015 06:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The definition of potential is:
adjective: having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.
OR
noun: latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.

No mention of television in the definition so any definition requiring the analysis of TV markets is a non-standard self-created definition.

If we are talking about media market potential, number of TV sets that might get turned on to watch a game is a useful proxy for a relative comparison. Obviously the number of TV sets that exist within a certain radius of a school is not a proxy for potential media value.

(08-15-2015 06:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  When one program has played football for 100 years and another barely over a decade and have nearly identical attendance... logical people conclude the newer program has greater potential.

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results", especially when talking about growth rates, but, yeah, Coastal has demonstrated more ability to grow its attendance over the past ten years, it is in a growth market, and it has a higher ceiling on its market potential than EKU, due to EKU's proximity to Kentucky.

If JMU wanted to join the Sunbelt, they'd be a better invite than either, but they don't seem to want to move unless its to the American, CUSA or the MAC.

You just confirmed that everything I've been saying is correct.

The upper limit for TV viewership in a given market is the number of TV households in the market. You can't say it any other way. End of story.

Thus, EKU's market potential is higher than CC's, because their market has more TV households than CC's. That's just the by the books definition.

Trying the blast the most logical and credible poster who runs circles around you just makes you look like a fool. NDSU is in no man's land...you can make fast friends with David St.

NDSU is not in No mans land. The state of North Dakota in 2014 is the fastes growing state at 9.95% and rising. Fargo, North Dakota is the 28th fastest growing city in 2014. With the Keystone pipeline and all that, that state is getting people moving there for the oil industry and all that. East Carolina in Greenville is number 4 fastest growing city.

So Fargo is out pacing cities that are in P5 conferences. You could include Moorhead and Grand Forks in the same area. That whole area along the border of North Dakota and Minnesota is growing.

(08-31-2015 01:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 03:51 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 07:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 08:09 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  [quote='MplsBison' pid='12275137' dateline='1439678934'] I've told you multiple times now what the correct definition of potential is. You believe whatever you want to believe.

You've claimed multiple times that your definition is the correct definition.

But you are the only source for that definition. Your support for your claim is simply repeating the claim. But proof by repetition is not actually proof.

"Market potential" from study.com:

Quote:Market potential is the entire size of the market for a product at a specific time. It represents the upper limits of the market for a product. Market potential is usually measured either by sales value or sales volume. [/quot
Businessdictionary.com:

Quote: The estimated maximum total sales revenue of all suppliers of a product in a market during a certain period.

(Or we could ask an academic economist, but that would be cheating.)

(08-15-2015 06:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The definition of potential is:
adjective: having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.
OR
noun: latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.

No mention of television in the definition so any definition requiring the analysis of TV markets is a non-standard self-created definition.

If we are talking about media market potential, number of TV sets that might get turned on to watch a game is a useful proxy for a relative comparison. Obviously the number of TV sets that exist within a certain radius of a school is not a proxy for potential media value.

(08-15-2015 06:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  When one program has played football for 100 years and another barely over a decade and have nearly identical attendance... logical people conclude the newer program has greater potential.

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results", especially when talking about growth rates, but, yeah, Coastal has demonstrated more ability to grow its attendance over the past ten years, it is in a growth market, and it has a higher ceiling on its market potential than EKU, due to EKU's proximity to Kentucky.

If JMU wanted to join the Sunbelt, they'd be a better invite than either, but they don't seem to want to move unless its to the American, CUSA or the MAC.

You just confirmed that everything I've been saying is correct.

The upper limit for TV viewership in a given market is the number of TV households in the market. You can't say it any other way. End of story.

Thus, EKU's market potential is higher than CC's, because their market has more TV households than CC's. That's just the by the books definition.

Trying the blast the most logical and credible poster who runs circles around you just makes you look like a fool. NDSU is in no man's land...you can make fast friends with David St.

NDSU is not in No mans land. The state of North Dakota in 2014 is the fastes growing state at 9.95% and rising. Fargo, North Dakota is the 28th fastest growing city in 2014. With the Keystone pipeline and all that, that state is getting people moving there for the oil industry and all that. East Carolina in Greenville is number 4 fastest growing city.

So Fargo is out pacing cities that are in P5 conferences. You could include Moorhead and Grand Forks in the same area. That whole area along the border of North Dakota and Minnesota is growing.

Growth is relative. Here's an example. Looking at Wikipedia, North Dakota had an estimated increase of 66,891 during the period from the 2010 census to the 7/1/2014 estimate. The city I live in, Houston, had an increase of 139,295 during the same period with a 6.63% growth rate. That's Houston, the city, not the Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land MSA.

North Dakota grew from a 2010 population of 672,591 to 739,591. Houston's growth is from a population of 2,100,263 to 2,239,558.

The Houston-The Woodlands-Sugarland MSA experienced a 9.63% estimated growth from 5,920,416 to 6,490,180 during the same period.

Percentage alone does not tell the whole story. Even so, I think the point about North Dakota's growth is valid. It just needs to be taken in the proper perspective. The place is booming. If oil and gas prices recover, it will continue.

By the way, the Keystone Pipeline terminates in the Beaumont-Port Arthur area...just east of Houston. Several of the refineries and chemical plants in that area had very large expansions in recent years to handle additional product from Canada, North Dakota, and other areas including Saudi Arabia.

Motiva Refinery $10 billion expansion

(08-31-2015 01:18 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 01:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the Sunbelt must still be deciding on if they should have 12 football schools to hold a CCG. There is a majority of not having one because the revenues isn't there yet to make it worthwhile. Karl Benson has always been in favor of going to 12 to get a CCG like the other conferences, but has yet to convince the presidents that is it worthwhile.

Which is the reason they visited NMSU. If a CCG isn't worthwhile, then NMSU will be added to split into divisions. The still FCS minded schools like App St, will only have to travel to NMSU every other year.

Actually it's only every four years, surprised my FCS minded brain could do that math...

Nope. Every other year. With 16 conference games, you have H-H within your division for 10 games and playing the other division once (giving a H-H over 2 years).
And referring to quite a few App St fans complaining about traveling in a FBS conference.

Posted earlier today by JTApps1 on the Sun Belt message board:

"From a source VERY close to the process Coastal was voted in yesterday. They will begin competition in 16-17. I'd assume that means football will be a full member in 2018."

(08-31-2015 06:05 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Posted earlier today by JTApps1 on the Sun Belt message board:

"From a source VERY close to the process Coastal was voted in yesterday. They will begin competition in 16-17. I'd assume that means football will be a full member in 2018."

I trust Dom Izzo from Fargo. An earlier post said this:

(08-31-2015 10:10 AM)MSSTATE_Texan Wrote:  "Reports are indicating that Coastal Carolina will receive invite into Sun Belt tomorrow; Chanticleers only w/football since 2003, moving up." - @DomIzzoWDAY

I would say Coastal is in as full member #12.

Travel partners: App/Coastal, GA St/GA So, Troy/USA, Ark St/UALR, UL/ULL, TX St/UTA.


It'll be interesting to see when Coastal will start playing football in the SB, and if Idaho and NM St will still be playing football there at that time.


Congrats to Coastal. From what I've read on here, it has great facilities and it's boosters must be very committed to getting football up to a App/GA So level very quickly (in terms of facilities and overall support).

I guess NM St couldn't get the votes. Too far to travel.

It's better for NM St anyway. It doesn't fit in the SB, geographically or culturally. It belongs in the 3rd tier Pacific/Mountain FBS conference ... which currently is dormant.


EKU I guess couldn't get the votes either. Probably still in the running if Sun Belt wants to get to 12 full members with football (ie, not renewing Idaho & NM St. membership).

Hopefully at that time the other will be Missouri St.

(08-15-2015 03:45 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 01:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sorry, that is the definition. The potential number of TV viewers in a given market for any program is the number of TV households in the market.

Anything else is a derivative from that.

Yes, but calling it market potential is saying that there is a potential to get all of those television sets tuned into a game by that school ... which in the case of EKU is false. Their market potential is not even 50% of the total market size.

Quote: I'm not saying that straight market potential is the best statistic to use. And if you want to weight it by "popularity within the market" somehow, that would be valid. That's just not what the definition is for market potential.

But the only reason you've advanced to believe that "market potential" = "total number of television sets" is because you claim it does. And given the amount of unsubstantiated BS I've seen you spout, I see no reason why I should believe you rather than professionals in the fields involved.

Quote: Call it something else.

Since market potential already meant something different when you decided to redefine it, I'd say the same thing back at you ... except there is no need to come up with a name for the total market size ... there's already a phrase that means that.

(08-15-2015 01:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 12:06 PM)shere khan Wrote:  richmond is in the middle of nowhere with nothing. its hard to believe it is still operating. its like a little weak version of marshall.

Coastal is growing in a great part of the country and will dwarf eku "college of last resort" in 5 years.

you people who are commenting should visit them both.

the whole argument is a no brainer.

Gee, ya think SK has an investment in Conway??

More likely he has actual experience to back up his arguments.