(08-02-2015 09:50 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Just continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition and pull off one or two upsets against P5 programs each year and we will our respect.

"Continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition"? You may have misspoken a little bit with that one.

I do think that an undefeated SBC team with a win over a P5 opponent will earn a spot in the access bowl. That is, unless there's another undefeated G5 team that is higher ranked. If Boise goes undefeated, they're in, regardless of anything the rest of us do.

(08-02-2015 01:04 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 09:50 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Just continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition and pull off one or two upsets against P5 programs each year and we will our respect.

"Continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition"? You may have misspoken a little bit with that one.

I do think that an undefeated SBC team with a win over a P5 opponent will earn a spot in the access bowl. That is, unless there's another undefeated G5 team that is higher ranked. If Boise goes undefeated, they're in, regardless of anything the rest of us do.

We have lost 1 game (La Tech) against G5 programs since Hud's arrival. Boise is an exception because I don't consider them G5.

(08-02-2015 01:23 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 01:04 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 09:50 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Just continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition and pull off one or two upsets against P5 programs each year and we will our respect.

"Continue to win every head to head against G5 opposition"? You may have misspoken a little bit with that one.

I do think that an undefeated SBC team with a win over a P5 opponent will earn a spot in the access bowl. That is, unless there's another undefeated G5 team that is higher ranked. If Boise goes undefeated, they're in, regardless of anything the rest of us do.

We have lost 1 game (La Tech) against G5 programs since Hud's arrival. Boise is an exception because I don't consider them G5.

Still, that isn't "every" G5 opponent. Also, the fact that ULL has not beaten a single P5 opponent since Hud's arrival plays a large part in any lack of respect the Cajuns suffer. I do like ULL's chances against Kentucky this year though.

And of course Boise is a G5 conference member. The very reason that the P5 was created was to make sure that no non-P5 team, including Boise, ever rises to heights greater than the G5.

Hadn't considered how Hud had fared against non-conference G5's......7-2, not too shabby. Makes up a bit for our being O'fer against P5's.

(08-02-2015 12:20 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 12:05 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Here's the real question, Why the help do they call it the Access Bowl? Considering that it does NOT give access to the playoff? They keep all of us G5 programs arguing about and fighting over which one of us gets it and we forget that it's just scraps. The P5 conferences just continue to sit up high in their chairs at the kings table and laugh at us rolling around on the dirt floor fighting for this piece of gristle they threw down. Are we supposed to be happy with that? NO, WE want a seat at the table, at least for one of us each year! That is what we need stories written about.

The system now is world's better than it was before the access bowl. At least now one of us is guaranteed a spot whereas previously you had to be ranked in the top 16. Last year under the old system the G5 would have been left out.

Define "spot" Higher paying bowl?

So they throw a little hush money our way, still isn't a spot at the table aka CFP.

New system better? Sure.

New system good? A good step in the right direction, but still not good.

To anyone that didn't listen to the podcast, it is very fair and well done. App got lots of love which turns the stomach, but other than that it's worth a listen!

(08-02-2015 07:27 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  To anyone that didn't listen to the podcast, it is very fair and well done. App got lots of love which turns the stomach, but other than that it's worth a listen!

App State is destined to be the best thing since sliced bread this year. Just you wait and see.

Ohio State is a hundred times better than thUGA, but Northern Illinois schedule is weak besides that. I think the fact that they've been in that game and got waxed actually hurts them.

(08-02-2015 06:03 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 12:20 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 12:05 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Here's the real question, Why the help do they call it the Access Bowl? Considering that it does NOT give access to the playoff? They keep all of us G5 programs arguing about and fighting over which one of us gets it and we forget that it's just scraps. The P5 conferences just continue to sit up high in their chairs at the kings table and laugh at us rolling around on the dirt floor fighting for this piece of gristle they threw down. Are we supposed to be happy with that? NO, WE want a seat at the table, at least for one of us each year! That is what we need stories written about.

The system now is world's better than it was before the access bowl. At least now one of us is guaranteed a spot whereas previously you had to be ranked in the top 16. Last year under the old system the G5 would have been left out.

Define "spot" Higher paying bowl?

So they throw a little hush money our way, still isn't a spot at the table aka CFP.

New system better? Sure.

New system good? A good step in the right direction, but still not good.

It's the equivalent of a guaranteed spot in a BCS bowl (comparing to previous system). Before you had a lot of stipulations that had to be met and you had to be ranked decently high, to become a "BCS Buster." Now, you're just competing against the rest of the G5 for that spot instead of all of FBS.

Yes it's much better than the previous system. Even the guys that played in BCS bowls in the past had no chance at a national championship matchup, so not much is different there.

(08-02-2015 12:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 07:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Given the conference's record against P5s you can't blame him. ULM has held their own there, but ULL and Ark St have been awful.

We've caught some bad luck. Went through about a 4 or 5 year stretch recently when every OOC opponent we played was either ranked at the time of our game, or finished the season ranked. Outside of Oregon, we were not exactly playing top level programs in that time...we just caught them in bad years. Sort of like playing Auburn twice, the year they won the National Title, and the year they finished National Runner Up.

Perspective

Last year our two P5 opponents finished 6-6 in regular season but in 2013 we played the SEC East and West champs and Auburn advanced to be national runner-up.
2012 Played PAC-12 champ and national runner-up and a Big 10 division champ.
2011 Played ACC division champ and Illinois went 6-6 in regular season after winning first six.
2010 Played national champ and let the game get away from us vs Indiana after leading at half (and we were a 4 win team)
2009 Lost to an 11-2 Iowa (yet it was winnable late) lost to Big 12 north champ
2008 Lost to SEC west champ Bama and beat TAMU

We've not played many games against the mediocre P5 schools.

(08-03-2015 02:13 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Ohio State is a hundred times better than thUGA, but Northern Illinois schedule is weak besides that. I think the fact that they've been in that game and got waxed actually hurts them.

NIU is picked 3rd in the MAC West. They may not even get by Boston College.

(08-03-2015 08:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 12:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 07:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Given the conference's record against P5s you can't blame him. ULM has held their own there, but ULL and Ark St have been awful.

We've caught some bad luck. Went through about a 4 or 5 year stretch recently when every OOC opponent we played was either ranked at the time of our game, or finished the season ranked. Outside of Oregon, we were not exactly playing top level programs in that time...we just caught them in bad years. Sort of like playing Auburn twice, the year they won the National Title, and the year they finished National Runner Up.

Perspective

Last year our two P5 opponents finished 6-6 in regular season but in 2013 we played the SEC East and West champs and Auburn advanced to be national runner-up.
2012 Played PAC-12 champ and national runner-up and a Big 10 division champ.
2011 Played ACC division champ and Illinois went 6-6 in regular season after winning first six.
2010 Played national champ and let the game get away from us vs Indiana after leading at half (and we were a 4 win team)
2009 Lost to an 11-2 Iowa (yet it was winnable late) lost to Big 12 north champ
2008 Lost to SEC west champ Bama and beat TAMU

We've not played many games against the mediocre P5 schools.

Southern can sympathize. Since we restarted football in 1982, we've played 18 games against P5 teams.

12 of 18 finished in the top 20.
9 of 18 finished in the top 8.
2 of 18 won the National Championship.

In that same time period, we only played 4 games against G5 teams (largest margin of victory was 8 points).

And we caught a lot of **** (pre-Florida) for not having any FBS wins.

(08-02-2015 12:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We've caught some bad luck. Went through about a 4 or 5 year stretch recently when every OOC opponent we played was either ranked at the time of our game, or finished the season ranked. Outside of Oregon, we were not exactly playing top level programs in that time...we just caught them in bad years. Sort of like playing Auburn twice, the year they won the National Title, and the year they finished National Runner Up.

I feel like thats the story for most of the SBC being in SEC country. During our transition people always wanted to bring up the fact that we were 1-20+ against FBS opponents and our sole win came over a bad 4-8 Florida team. Then wanted to conveniently leave out the fact that 90% of those loses were to teams that were ranked or ranked at the end of the season. We had very few opportunities to play "average" FBS teams. Admittedly we wet the bed when it came to those opportunities but the people trying to use that as a reason for a tough transition ignored the fact they had a very similar record against those very same schools.

I think at one point I even looked it up and the SBC was like 3-30+ all time against those same opponents.

All that to say. That's definitely a trend I would like to see change. We just cant choke in those games like we did last year. UL getting slaughtered by La Tech and us getting blown out by Navy hurt the conference perception big time. IMO G5 bottom dwellers are going to lose to decent FCS teams every once in a while so that's not that big of a deal, but if our worst 3 lose to FCS teams AND our best 3 lose to other G5's thats a recipe for disaster.

(08-02-2015 11:56 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Perception could change quickly with a few big wins. GS over WV would be solid and ULL must beat UK considering WKU has done that twice recently.

A reminder. If I am not mistaken, the two Wku wins were followed by losses to UL the same season.

(08-01-2015 08:00 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 07:11 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  Personally I dont see a CUSA team getti g it either. Boise, MAC or AAC

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I agree, Marshall has a slim shot at best. There's probably only three teams on their schedule that could possibly beat them. MTSU and lower rung P5 Purdue if they can pull the upset, and WKU who has a legit shot. Then again, with their SOS I would be surprised to see a two loss team ahead of them at year's end. They have nothing that would be considered a marquee win, something a G5 team will need. Marshall's good, but their schedule will probably work against them.

Marshall can't pull the upset against Purdue. We are favored to win the game by 13.5 points. Purdue could pull the upset, but not Marshall.

(08-02-2015 12:05 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Here's the real question, Why the help do they call it the Access Bowl? Considering that it does NOT give access to the playoff? They keep all of us G5 programs arguing about and fighting over which one of us gets it and we forget that it's just scraps. The P5 conferences just continue to sit up high in their chairs at the kings table and laugh at us rolling around on the dirt floor fighting for this piece of gristle they threw down. Are we supposed to be happy with that? NO, WE want a seat at the table, at least for one of us each year! That is what we need stories written about.

Bolded part kind of reminds me of America, just replace "G5 programs" with "ordinary Americans" and replace "P5 conferences" with "politicians, their corporate masters, and media conglomerates".

But I digress

The big thing with playing SEC teams as an FCS is officiating. SEC officials will simply not allow an FCS team to win. The FCS team has to be a good 10 points better. The big thing now is making sure there are neutral conference officials in OOC away games.