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Any AAC team that plays Navy better because they are capable of beating any team in this conference on any given day... Btw you better have some back up Dlinemen for the injured from uncalled chop blocks....
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Look up the difference and definition of a chop block vs cut block.
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Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
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(08-01-2015 09:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
I was injured after two of our Navy games along with many other fans. My ass hurt. 03-hissyfit
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(08-01-2015 09:29 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
I was injured after two of our Navy games along with many other fans. My ass hurt. 03-hissyfit

I would ask why, but... nah.
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(08-01-2015 09:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
Brandon Setzer one year a 6'6" 300 plus guy that had huge upside. 2012 Justin Dixon and Montese Overton got injured who in now on the Lombardi watch list. Btw Overton is number 2 on CFB freak list. Definetly going to the league. 6'3" 225# and 4.31 forty. These guys have a lot to lose to a " cut " block. You have the rep you have... Just google it...FSU lost 3 Dline after Citadel...Cut blocking causes injuries.. Well documented whether legal or not. Like leading with the helmet used to be legal it caused a lot of damage before rule change. Z
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This is a huge whinny post. Cut blocking is perfectly legal and we know they are going to be doing it. It's our guys jobs to avoid it.
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(08-01-2015 09:48 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:29 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
I was injured after two of our Navy games along with many other fans. My ass hurt. 03-hissyfit

I would ask why, but... nah.

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RE: Better be ready for Navy
Cut Blocking: Blocking another player in the legs. Perfectly legal (within certain limitations like being within 5 yards of line of scrimmage) and a lot of programs do this. Not Navy specific.

Chop Blocking: Cut blocking a player that is already engaged with another player. For example, a defender is engaged above the waist with an offensive lineman, and another offensive lineman comes along and cut blocks him at the same time. Considered the more dirty play, mostly illegal, but also can be legal in certain circumstances in the NFL (I think, don't quote me).
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(08-01-2015 09:12 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  Any AAC team that plays Navy better because they are capable of beating any team in this conference on any given day... Btw you better have some back up Dlinemen for the injured from uncalled chop blocks....

Just because ECU lost 60-28 to Navy doesn't mean they'll do that to every AAC team. At the time, ECU's defense just wasn't very good. We have some pretty good defenses in this league and defense trumps offense every time.

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(08-01-2015 11:55 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Cut Blocking: Blocking another player in the legs. Perfectly legal (within certain limitations like being within 5 yards of line of scrimmage) and a lot of programs do this. Not Navy specific.

Chop Blocking: Cut blocking a player that is already engaged with another player. For example, a defender is engaged above the waist with an offensive lineman, and another offensive lineman comes along and cut blocks him at the same time. Considered the more dirty play, mostly illegal, but also can be legal in certain circumstances in the NFL (I think, don't quote me).

NFL Rules:

LEGAL AND ILLEGAL BLOCK
Article 1 A player of either team may block (obstruct or impede) an opponent at any time, provided that
the act is not:
(a) pass interference;
(b) illegal contact;
© fair catch interference;
(d) clipping against a non-runner;
(e) an illegal chop block;
(f) an illegal crackback block;
(g) an illegal low block during a free kick, scrimmage kick, or after a change of possession;
(h) unnecessary roughness;
(i) roughing the passer;
(j) an illegal cut block;
(k) roughing the kicker;
(l) offensive or defensive holding;
(m) illegal use of hands;
(n) tripping;
(o) illegal peel back block; and
(p) illegal blindside block

If they grab above the waist or engage a player who is otherwise already engaged, it's illegal.
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Memphis is a strong proponent of sportsmanship and clean play. As for the alternative, better not dish it out unless you are prepared to take it. Ask BYU.
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(08-01-2015 12:04 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 11:55 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Cut Blocking: Blocking another player in the legs. Perfectly legal (within certain limitations like being within 5 yards of line of scrimmage) and a lot of programs do this. Not Navy specific.

Chop Blocking: Cut blocking a player that is already engaged with another player. For example, a defender is engaged above the waist with an offensive lineman, and another offensive lineman comes along and cut blocks him at the same time. Considered the more dirty play, mostly illegal, but also can be legal in certain circumstances in the NFL (I think, don't quote me).

NFL Rules:

LEGAL AND ILLEGAL BLOCK
Article 1 A player of either team may block (obstruct or impede) an opponent at any time, provided that
the act is not:
(a) pass interference;
(b) illegal contact;
© fair catch interference;
(d) clipping against a non-runner;
(e) an illegal chop block;
(f) an illegal crackback block;
(g) an illegal low block during a free kick, scrimmage kick, or after a change of possession;
(h) unnecessary roughness;
(i) roughing the passer;
(j) an illegal cut block;
(k) roughing the kicker;
(l) offensive or defensive holding;
(m) illegal use of hands;
(n) tripping;
(o) illegal peel back block; and
(p) illegal blindside block

If they grab above the waist or engage a player who is otherwise already engaged, it's illegal.

According to Wikipedia, chop blocking is allowed on running plays but illegal on passing plays (among other rules).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_block..._football)
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(08-01-2015 09:54 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Which Pirates have been injured in your four Navy games? And do you have video? Because the Notre Dame example is guys getting rolled up on by their own players without a Navy player onscreen, but it becomes an article of faith that it was Navy cut blocks.
Brandon Setzer one year a 6'6" 300 plus guy that had huge upside. 2012 Justin Dixon and Montese Overton got injured who in now on the Lombardi watch list. Btw Overton is number 2 on CFB freak list. Definetly going to the league. 6'3" 225# and 4.31 forty. These guys have a lot to lose to a " cut " block. You have the rep you have... Just google it...FSU lost 3 Dline after Citadel...Cut blocking causes injuries.. Well documented whether legal or not. Like leading with the helmet used to be legal it caused a lot of damage before rule change. Z

Brandon Setzer never got touched in that play while engaged high. The Navy player appeared to, but I watched slomo replay and it was an optical illusion. He just hurt his knee in a fluke manner. Navy kicks people's ass fair and square mostly, but under Paul Johnson they did have a knack for grabbing feet and ankles while they are on the ground cut blocking, then letting go before the ref sees it. i haven't noticed it with Navy, but still see it at Ga Tech.
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I'm shocked that pirateoracle would have such a stupid, butt hurt post... No, not really.
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Tulane has had major problems in the past defending the triple option of both Army and Navy particularly when they have great quarterbacks. Should be an interesting challenge this year for Tulane against both.
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(08-01-2015 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 12:04 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 11:55 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Cut Blocking: Blocking another player in the legs. Perfectly legal (within certain limitations like being within 5 yards of line of scrimmage) and a lot of programs do this. Not Navy specific.

Chop Blocking: Cut blocking a player that is already engaged with another player. For example, a defender is engaged above the waist with an offensive lineman, and another offensive lineman comes along and cut blocks him at the same time. Considered the more dirty play, mostly illegal, but also can be legal in certain circumstances in the NFL (I think, don't quote me).

NFL Rules:

LEGAL AND ILLEGAL BLOCK
Article 1 A player of either team may block (obstruct or impede) an opponent at any time, provided that
the act is not:
(a) pass interference;
(b) illegal contact;
© fair catch interference;
(d) clipping against a non-runner;
(e) an illegal chop block;
(f) an illegal crackback block;
(g) an illegal low block during a free kick, scrimmage kick, or after a change of possession;
(h) unnecessary roughness;
(i) roughing the passer;
(j) an illegal cut block;
(k) roughing the kicker;
(l) offensive or defensive holding;
(m) illegal use of hands;
(n) tripping;
(o) illegal peel back block; and
(p) illegal blindside block

If they grab above the waist or engage a player who is otherwise already engaged, it's illegal.

According to Wikipedia, chop blocking is allowed on running plays but illegal on passing plays (among other rules).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chop_block..._football)

If you read the NFL page. If the Player is already engaged in a block, he can't be touched form behind or Chop blocked. If so then it's an Illegal Chop-Block. 04-cheers
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(08-01-2015 11:59 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:12 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  Any AAC team that plays Navy better because they are capable of beating any team in this conference on any given day... Btw you better have some back up Dlinemen for the injured from uncalled chop blocks....

Just because ECU lost 60-28 to Navy doesn't mean they'll do that to every AAC team. At the time, ECU's defense just wasn't very good. We have some pretty good defenses in this league and defense trumps offense every time.

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Very true, our defense was not good due to being thin on recruiting by the previous administration and of course coaching. Both of which have been corrected.
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(08-01-2015 11:59 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 09:12 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  Any AAC team that plays Navy better because they are capable of beating any team in this conference on any given day... Btw you better have some back up Dlinemen for the injured from uncalled chop blocks....

Just because ECU lost 60-28 to Navy doesn't mean they'll do that to every AAC team. At the time, ECU's defense just wasn't very good. We have some pretty good defenses in this league and defense trumps offense every time.

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Based on the MASH unit of walk on's and scrubs we had on the field at the time it was probably only due to good sportsmanship and running time off the clock that Navy did not score 100pts. Some days things just click like last year when we put 70pts on UNC. We could have hung 100pts on a far superior Defense than what ECU put on the field vs Navy but Ruff took the foot off the gas and with sound logic took starters off the field.

We see this debate every year when it comes to Navy. I am guessing that if ECU had not been completely prison raped by Navy a couple times that ECU fans would not complain about it as much. ACC teams have to go against it every year vs GT with far superior OL than Navy has and amazingly enough the rest of the ACC Defenses remain healthy enough to finish the season after facing GT. I live not too far down the road from Georgia Southern and watch them block that way every Saturday and some how the Defenses going up against them know how to protect themselves.
It is nothing worth whining about it is just the Offense they run and they run it effectively
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Complaining about cut blocking would be similar to the British whining about our riflemen in the Revolution. The British put on a stiff upper lip and figured out a strategy to stop them. They would absorb one firing and rush in with bayonets. A rifle, at the time, took 3 times as long as a musket to reload and since the rifle has no slot for a bayonet, the riflemen were defenseless ducks after a discharge. The Battle of Long Island serves as a great example of that strategy. Thus going forward, our riflemen were used primarily in forest fighting (Saratoga) and the frontier theaters.

Find a way to halt cut blocking. Other teams have.
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