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Big Ten Football Scheduling
CHICAGO — In the most stringent scheduling criteria among all Power Five conferences, Big Ten teams have committed to play nine league games, one mandated nonconference game against a fellow power league and no longer schedule Football Championship Subdivision opponents beginning in 2016, Commissioner Jim Delany said Friday.
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This has been previously discussed here, as its been something that has been discussed before in the Big Ten.

Its not a major issue for the MAC as far as total games against the Big Ten, since in rough measure games picked up because of BigTen schools will no longer be signing FCS contracts will offset games not picked up because of Big Ten schools that have been ducking playing P5 schools OOC having to stop ducking.

There is a likely reduction in opportunities for 2-1 and 3-1 contracts to see Big Ten schools in MAC stadiums, but that is a consequence of the expansion of the Big Ten to nine conference games next year, and not a consequence of this recent decision.
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(07-31-2015 05:42 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  CHICAGO — In the most stringent scheduling criteria among all Power Five conferences, Big Ten teams have committed to play nine league games, one mandated nonconference game against a fellow power league and no longer schedule Football Championship Subdivision opponents beginning in 2016, Commissioner Jim Delany said Friday.

That hurts not the MAC, but FCS teams who used to get nice pay days from the B1G.
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(08-02-2015 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 05:42 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  CHICAGO — In the most stringent scheduling criteria among all Power Five conferences, Big Ten teams have committed to play nine league games, one mandated nonconference game against a fellow power league and no longer schedule Football Championship Subdivision opponents beginning in 2016, Commissioner Jim Delany said Friday.

That hurts not the MAC, but FCS teams who used to get nice pay days from the B1G.
Yes ... Indiana State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois, and Northern Iowa all seem likely to lose Big Ten buy games with Indiana, Illinois and Iowa. They'll still find buy games, likely against MAC, CUSA and MWC schools.

If the bigger buyers of FCS games like the SEC and ACC were to follow suit, it would make FCS buy games much more of a buyers market, and likely increase the price difference between Go5 and FCS buy games. Since MAC schools are on the receiving end of the first check and the paying end of the latter, that would be a modest benefit to MAC schools.
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(08-01-2015 12:03 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  This has been previously discussed here, as its been something that has been discussed before in the Big Ten.

Its not a major issue for the MAC as far as total games against the Big Ten, since in rough measure games picked up because of BigTen schools will no longer be signing FCS contracts will offset games not picked up because of Big Ten schools that have been ducking playing P5 schools OOC having to stop ducking.

There is a likely reduction in opportunities for 2-1 and 3-1 contracts to see Big Ten schools in MAC stadiums, but that is a consequence of the expansion of the Big Ten to nine conference games next year, and not a consequence of this recent decision.

This would certainly appear to hurt the MAC more I believe as the conference is much more dependent on these Big 10 games than most anyone in FCS.

If I'm reading this correctly, the new rules would provide Big 10 teams with only 2 OOC games during an 11 game season. One has to be against a P5 opponent. That only leaves one other opening. You can probably dismiss for starters any future home games against the BIG, though granted they are sparse.
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Curious question for any lawyers out there. Could FCS schools not file a winnable lawsuit against the Big Ten for colluding to restrain their trade? It is in the NCAA rules that cross-level games are legal and count (though not for bowl eligibility). To suggest schools toughen schedules is reasonable. To make it conference law seems actionable. Or no?
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(08-11-2015 08:11 AM)MacLord Wrote:  Curious question for any lawyers out there. Could FCS schools not file a winnable lawsuit against the Big Ten for colluding to restrain their trade? It is in the NCAA rules that cross-level games are legal and count (though not for bowl eligibility). To suggest schools toughen schedules is reasonable. To make it conference law seems actionable. Or no?

I'm not a lawyer, but...

I believe NCAA institutions are part of a voluntary (yep) association so it is hard to have restraint of trade.

Isn't restraint of trade between business competitors, not cooperators?

Many might say OSU and UofM are deadly competitors but in fact they are business partners in what we call collegiate athletics under the auspice of the NCAA and B1G.

The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox are business partners. 03-idea

Or better yet the Jets and Giants, they share television revenues, etc. etc. as member clubs of the NFL.
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(08-11-2015 05:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 12:03 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  This has been previously discussed here, as its been something that has been discussed before in the Big Ten.

Its not a major issue for the MAC as far as total games against the Big Ten, since in rough measure games picked up because of BigTen schools will no longer be signing FCS contracts will offset games not picked up because of Big Ten schools that have been ducking playing P5 schools OOC having to stop ducking.

There is a likely reduction in opportunities for 2-1 and 3-1 contracts to see Big Ten schools in MAC stadiums, but that is a consequence of the expansion of the Big Ten to nine conference games next year, and not a consequence of this recent decision.

This would certainly appear to hurt the MAC more I believe as the conference is much more dependent on these Big 10 games than most anyone in FCS.

If I'm reading this correctly, the new rules would provide Big 10 teams with only 2 OOC games during an 11 game season. One has to be against a P5 opponent. That only leaves one other opening. You can probably dismiss for starters any future home games against the BIG, though granted they are sparse.

There are 12 games in the regular season for FBS so there are 2 openings. And with no FCS schools, one is almost certainly going to go to a MAC team or similar team. And maybe both will.
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(08-11-2015 05:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  This would certainly appear to hurt the MAC more I believe as the conference is much more dependent on these Big 10 games than most anyone in FCS.
The estimate I have seen is that Big Ten Go5 games are likely to drop from 32 to 28 ... while of course FCS games will drop from 10-12 per season to 0 (actually, has already started dropping, as several "FCS game per year" schools from previously did not schedule FCS in 2014).

And its not necessarily the cause that all four will come from MAC games.

Some of the FCS schools affected the most will be Youngstown, Indiana State, Illinois State Southern Illinois and Northern Iowa. When looking at the last six years of Big Ten OOC scheduling, each of those schools popped up multiple times.
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(08-11-2015 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 05:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 12:03 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  This has been previously discussed here, as its been something that has been discussed before in the Big Ten.

Its not a major issue for the MAC as far as total games against the Big Ten, since in rough measure games picked up because of BigTen schools will no longer be signing FCS contracts will offset games not picked up because of Big Ten schools that have been ducking playing P5 schools OOC having to stop ducking.

There is a likely reduction in opportunities for 2-1 and 3-1 contracts to see Big Ten schools in MAC stadiums, but that is a consequence of the expansion of the Big Ten to nine conference games next year, and not a consequence of this recent decision.

This would certainly appear to hurt the MAC more I believe as the conference is much more dependent on these Big 10 games than most anyone in FCS.

If I'm reading this correctly, the new rules would provide Big 10 teams with only 2 OOC games during an 11 game season. One has to be against a P5 opponent. That only leaves one other opening. You can probably dismiss for starters any future home games against the BIG, though granted they are sparse.

There are 12 games in the regular season for FBS so there are 2 openings. And with no FCS schools, one is almost certainly going to go to a MAC team or similar team. And maybe both will.

I didn't realize that it was 12 games every year - just on certain years depending on the calendar.

Either way, it certainly seems like a noose slowly tightening. Not 10 years ago, Big 10 teams seemed to have 4 OOC games. Now it's 3. One has to be P5. Certainly more will be. It's slowly becoming an exclusive club. I think it might be unusual going forward to have a Big 10 team play more than one MAC game, some may not play any. They will certainly want 2 of the 3 OOC games at home.

On the FCS side, I'm aware there are games with the Big 10 though they did seem infrequent. Other than Iowa or Illinois, others are very rare. This does though now include Maryland and Rutgers, who did schedule an FCS each year. There are certainly plenty of options between Big 12, ACC, AAC. And while the paydays are nice, I don't think anyone in FCS is dependent on them - they just aren't that huge.
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(08-11-2015 03:50 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:47 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 05:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-01-2015 12:03 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  This has been previously discussed here, as its been something that has been discussed before in the Big Ten.

Its not a major issue for the MAC as far as total games against the Big Ten, since in rough measure games picked up because of BigTen schools will no longer be signing FCS contracts will offset games not picked up because of Big Ten schools that have been ducking playing P5 schools OOC having to stop ducking.

There is a likely reduction in opportunities for 2-1 and 3-1 contracts to see Big Ten schools in MAC stadiums, but that is a consequence of the expansion of the Big Ten to nine conference games next year, and not a consequence of this recent decision.

This would certainly appear to hurt the MAC more I believe as the conference is much more dependent on these Big 10 games than most anyone in FCS.

If I'm reading this correctly, the new rules would provide Big 10 teams with only 2 OOC games during an 11 game season. One has to be against a P5 opponent. That only leaves one other opening. You can probably dismiss for starters any future home games against the BIG, though granted they are sparse.

There are 12 games in the regular season for FBS so there are 2 openings. And with no FCS schools, one is almost certainly going to go to a MAC team or similar team. And maybe both will.

I didn't realize that it was 12 games every year - just on certain years depending on the calendar.

Either way, it certainly seems like a noose slowly tightening. Not 10 years ago, Big 10 teams seemed to have 4 OOC games. Now it's 3. One has to be P5. Certainly more will be. It's slowly becoming an exclusive club. I think it might be unusual going forward to have a Big 10 team play more than one MAC game, some may not play any. They will certainly want 2 of the 3 OOC games at home.

On the FCS side, I'm aware there are games with the Big 10 though they did seem infrequent. Other than Iowa or Illinois, others are very rare. This does though now include Maryland and Rutgers, who did schedule an FCS each year. There are certainly plenty of options between Big 12, ACC, AAC. And while the paydays are nice, I don't think anyone in FCS is dependent on them - they just aren't that huge.

It has been 12 games since 2002.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NCAA_...all_season
"Beginning with the 2002 season, teams were allowed to schedule twelve regular season games instead of eleven"

The exception to that is The Hawaii Rule where a team can schedule a 13th game if they play AT Hawaii in the regular season that same year.

Now some years there has been an additional week of college football which results in an extra bye week but there has not been a FBS team who has played 11 games without some super special circumstances.
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(08-11-2015 03:50 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  On the FCS side, I'm aware there are games with the Big 10 though they did seem infrequent.
I thought so too, until I checked it out and found that I was wrong. Since 2010, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue and Indiana all scheduled FCS games in most years, along with newcomers Maryland and Rutgers, while MSU and Penn State scheduled them about half the time. Its only OSU and TSUN where they could be said to be rare ... once in the last six years with OSU, and none with TSUN (who, of course, was burned by Appy State when they decided to dabble with FCS games, so its not surprising they seemed to have little appetite for them).

That's why dropping down to 3 OOC games and required 1 P5 game only modifies the number of BigTen Go5 games a moderate amount, from about 32 to about 28 ... there is not a big increase in OOC P5 games overall, because some schools adding a P5 game OOC are offset by others that are dropping from two to one, and the drop from four to three OOC games is mostly offset by the dropping of the 10-12 FCS games a season that the 14 presently Big Ten schools were playing in 2010-2015.
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