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B1G is playing 8 or 9 conference games in the regular season (not including CCG)? It will be a 6-3 format if I'm not mistaken no? Haven't checked the schedules.
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(07-31-2015 11:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  B1G is playing 8 or 9 conference games in the regular season (not including CCG)? It will be a 6-3 format if I'm not mistaken no? Haven't checked the schedules.

8 this year, 9 next year going forward.
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(07-31-2015 11:44 AM)e-parade Wrote:  Okay fine. It can be BYU, but not every team in the conference is going to schedule them. Most likely it will be 11 P5 games.


And the fact of the matter is that the B1G just defined BYU as a P5 anyway with that tweet. That you believe to be a "tweener" is irrelevant. They're certainly better than a bunch of the P5 teams out there anyway.

I think his point was nine games plus BYU will be the minimum a Big Ten champion will have on their resume.
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(07-31-2015 11:44 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Fixed it for you. You forgot the title game.

9 league games
At least 1 intersectional P5 game
1 title game vs Big 10 foe

No, a team could have 9 league games, BYU, and title game. So that would be 10 p5 games plus BYU.

The intersectional P5 game counts as a P5 game...obviously. It's also required, based on the tweet.

9 League games = 9 P5 Games
1 Intersectional = 1 P5 Game
1 Champ Game = 1 P5 Game

Minimum of 11 for the conference champ (and runner up), potential for more.

The intersectional game can be BYU, who is kind of a tweener...

So minimum is 10 P5 games for the champ if the intersectional game is BYU.

Okay fine. It can be BYU, but not every team in the conference is going to schedule them. Most likely it will be 11 P5 games.


And the fact of the matter is that the B1G just defined BYU as a P5 anyway with that tweet. That you believe to be a "tweener" is irrelevant. They're certainly better than a bunch of the P5 teams out there anyway.

Big Ten can define them as a p5 team- but the CFP may not view them as such.
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(07-31-2015 11:48 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:44 AM)e-parade Wrote:  Okay fine. It can be BYU, but not every team in the conference is going to schedule them. Most likely it will be 11 P5 games.


And the fact of the matter is that the B1G just defined BYU as a P5 anyway with that tweet. That you believe to be a "tweener" is irrelevant. They're certainly better than a bunch of the P5 teams out there anyway.

I think his point was nine games plus BYU will be the minimum a Big Ten champion will have on their resume.

actually would be 10 games plus BYU would be the minimum a Big Ten champion would have.
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(07-31-2015 11:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:39 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  That further solidifies BYU's status as a de facto "Autonomy 5" (or P5) school.

That should. Now everyone can stop with the BYU going back to the MW or the AAC.

Still, BYU has to prove it by their schedule and getting a better bowl.

that's the key. But the thing is quite frankly- bowls want certainty. A better bowl isn't going to take BYU blindly- not knowing if they're getting a 10-2 version of BYU or a 6-6 version of BYU.

To get access to better bowl games, BYU needs what Notre Dame has: An arrangement with a P5 conference to be part of the same pool for a group of bowl games. But BYU can't get that, so no one is going to "judge" BYU football by their ability to get into the best non-CFP bowls on their own, because even Notre Dame isn't doing that.
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(07-31-2015 11:10 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  McMurphyESPN11:44am via TweetDeck
BYU & Notre Dame will count toward B1G’s Power 5 requirement, Jim Delany said

BrianHamiltonSI 11:25am via TweetDeck
Jim Delany on Big Ten strength of schedule plan starting in 2016: No FCS. One “intersectional game” against Power 5 team, nine league games.

slmandel 11:25am via Twitter for iPhone
Big Ten strength of schedule model that begins next season (includes no FCS foes)

[Image: clqkpj3usaek9y3-jpg.10118]

Took it to mean the B1G is getting though a measure to loosen FCS to FBS rules.

The existence of the MAC gives B1G schools in that footprint an easy game with attendance and political benefits. Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Maryland, and Rutgers need low level FBS leagues in their footprints.
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(07-31-2015 11:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  actually would be 10 games plus BYU would be the minimum a Big Ten champion would have.

I was just talking regular season. but yes they would also have a championship game. In most cases though, and I know you were just talking minimum standards, but in most cases the champion will have played 11 P5 teams, 9 conference, one OOC, and the CCG.
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(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:18 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Why didn't the Big Ten stop scheduling FCS schools years ago?

Who cares? They're doing it now, I applaud them for doing so.


I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Wouldn't it have been great it they had never done it or stopped doing it a decade or two ago, though?

For D-I college basketball, the rule is that a D-I team can play up to 2 non D-I opponents each year, and the games are counted as exhibitions.

FBS football should have a similar rule: An FBS team can play one non-FBS opponent each year, and that game is an exhibition not counted in the FBS team's W-L record for the season.
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(07-31-2015 12:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:18 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Why didn't the Big Ten stop scheduling FCS schools years ago?

Who cares? They're doing it now, I applaud them for doing so.


I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Wouldn't it have been great it they had never done it or stopped doing it a decade or two ago, though?

For D-I college basketball, the rule is that a D-I team can play up to 2 non D-I opponents each year, and the games are counted as exhibitions.

FBS football should have a similar rule: An FBS team can play one non-FBS opponent each year, and that game is an exhibition not counted in the FBS team's W-L record for the season.
Pretty sure ECU played 3 or 4 non-D1 schools a few years ago, so are you sure you can only play 2?
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(07-31-2015 12:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  FBS football should have a similar rule: An FBS team can play one non-FBS opponent each year, and that game is an exhibition not counted in the FBS team's W-L record for the season.

I don't mind the old rule, where you can count one game every couple of years. Helps balance out the schedules and such. And can be good for teams in years where they have a lot of youth.
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(07-31-2015 12:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:18 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Why didn't the Big Ten stop scheduling FCS schools years ago?

Who cares? They're doing it now, I applaud them for doing so.


I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Wouldn't it have been great it they had never done it or stopped doing it a decade or two ago, though?

For D-I college basketball, the rule is that a D-I team can play up to 2 non D-I opponents each year, and the games are counted as exhibitions.

FBS football should have a similar rule: An FBS team can play one non-FBS opponent each year, and that game is an exhibition not counted in the FBS team's W-L record for the season.
Pretty sure ECU played 3 or 4 non-D1 schools a few years ago, so are you sure you can only play 2?

Depends how many years ago. The basketball rule is relatively new, started in the last few years.
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you can only "count" two. There are teams that have played D2 schools as regular season games, but they don't count towards RPI or wins to be considered by the NCAA selection committee.
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(07-31-2015 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  This must be voluntary, rather than mandatory, because some Big Ten teams have FCS opponents scheduled after 2016.

If everyone eventually goes along with it, then G5 teams will be able to charge more for buy games. Just in the Big Ten alone, 14 teams each looking for 2 G5 games/year (and no FCS games) would increase demand enough for G5 teams to increase their asking price.

I think its mandatory, but previously scheduled FCS games are being allowed to be played out. Might be voluntary but extremely strongly encouraged too, but my guess is the former.
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IIRC, the B10 has been talking about doing this for a while. There was some resistance from Iowa and Minnesota who have some history with FCS teams in their region (Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, North Dakota, etc.). Seems like they must now be willing to move away from those games.
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(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum 10 p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

But you need to factor in nonconference games against P5 teams to get a total count.
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(07-31-2015 12:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum 10 p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

But you need to factor in nonconference games against P5 teams to get a total count.

true- but that goes both ways. Big Ten team might not just have 1 P5 opponent. And Big 12 doesn't have to have a P5 opponent. So it could easily be 11-9.
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(07-31-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum 10 p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

But you need to factor in nonconference games against P5 teams to get a total count.

true- but that goes both ways. Big Ten team might not just have 1 P5 opponent. And Big 12 doesn't have to have a P5 opponent. So it could easily be 11-9.

Not likely, except for maybe Baylor. It could also be 11-11 or possibly even 11-12, though not likely.. I think most ofTexas future NONconference schedules include two P5 teams
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(07-31-2015 01:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum 10 p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

But you need to factor in nonconference games against P5 teams to get a total count.

true- but that goes both ways. Big Ten team might not just have 1 P5 opponent. And Big 12 doesn't have to have a P5 opponent. So it could easily be 11-9.

Not likely, except for maybe Baylor. It could also be 11-11 or possibly even 11-12, though not likely..

A Big 12 team is going to have all 3 OOC games be P5 games? Come on now.

This year Big 12 teams play 8 OOC games against P5 teams. 6 teams 1 P5 team, 3 teams 0 P5 teams, and Texas has 2. Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma St play none.
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(07-31-2015 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 01:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 12:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum 10 p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

But you need to factor in nonconference games against P5 teams to get a total count.

true- but that goes both ways. Big Ten team might not just have 1 P5 opponent. And Big 12 doesn't have to have a P5 opponent. So it could easily be 11-9.

Not likely, except for maybe Baylor. It could also be 11-11 or possibly even 11-12, though not likely..

A Big 12 team is going to have all 3 OOC games be P5 games? Come on now.

This year Big 12 teams play 8 OOC games against P5 teams. 6 teams 1 P5 team, 3 teams 0 P5 teams, and Texas has 2. Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma St play none.

I said not likely. But my updated post points out that it can be two OOC games against P5 teams. This year really does not count since the transition has just started and the Big is just now implementing their future schedules
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