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(07-31-2015 05:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Can a small business produce anything anymore? Almost the entire means of production is in fact owned by big business and they own the politicians. We are indeed quasi socialist. Only difference is the cucks that run the GOP also play ball.

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This is actually pretty much the fascist economic model.

Crony capitalism = fascism.
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(07-31-2015 02:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Despite your love for yourself always being "right", it is amazing how wrong you are most of the time.

I can't think of a stronger confirmation that I'm right than the fact that you think I'm wrong.
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(07-30-2015 09:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Chris Matthews asks a leftist a hard question






Since Wasserman-Schultz refused to answer maybe one of our resident leftists would like to tell us the difference between a democrat and a socialist. Any takers?

She can't answer that question without admitting there is almost zero difference.
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(07-31-2015 07:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 02:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Despite your love for yourself always being "right", it is amazing how wrong you are most of the time.

I can't think of a stronger confirmation that I'm right than the fact that you think I'm wrong.

This.
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(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ridiculous. Democrats don't hate capitalism, just unregulated capitalism.
Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?

Almost every single policy that democrats favor regarding businesses involves increasing costs, increasing taxes, or more intrusive regulation. What are the exceptions where they are not seeking to do those things? All three of those are anti-profit. So is income redistribution.

Meanwhile other countries are pro-profit with lower costs, lower taxes, and/or less intrusive regulation. And investment and jobs are moving to those places. To be clear, I'm not just talking about China and the third world either. Much of Europe has a more business-friendly environment than we do. That's hard to for many Americans to believe, until you actually start putting countries side by side and looking at them. Right now, particularly with the energy price advantage that fracking has created, we should be kicking the world's butts economically. Instead we are struggling along with slow growth, because our government is holding us back. And that is what is hurting our middle class more than anything else.

If you want businesses to grow the economy, they have to be profitable. In a competitive global economy, that means we need to create sustainable competitive advantages, other than those created by nature and geography. We can't continue to have high costs, high taxes, and most intrusive regulations and compete, we have to cut them a break somewhere.
I don't want to cut wages. Do you?
I don't want dirty air or dirty water or unsafe working conditions. Do you?
That pretty much leaves 1) taxes and 2) procedural (but not substantive) changes to regulations. Do you have any other ideas?
Because if we can't help American businesses to be profitable in the global economy, we are going to be forced to cut wages and probably cut safety and environmental protections, because there won't be money to do otherwise. And that's where I don't want to go. Do you?
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(07-31-2015 07:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 02:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Despite your love for yourself always being "right", it is amazing how wrong you are most of the time.

I can't think of a stronger confirmation that I'm right than the fact that you think I'm wrong.

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(07-31-2015 05:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Democrats hate profits, without which capitalism does not work.
Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.

You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?

Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.

Obscene profits.

Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.

Tax the "rich."

At some point, you've made enough money.

Windfall profits.

Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:

Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.

Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
Well, we have a large debt to pay. Who do you want to tax? The poor? The middle class? (Note: yes, I know you guys will say "cut government spending" and you won't need it).
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(07-31-2015 10:56 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 05:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.

You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?

Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.

Obscene profits.

Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.

Tax the "rich."

At some point, you've made enough money.

Windfall profits.

Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:

Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.

Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
Well, we have a large debt to pay. Who do you want to tax? The poor? The middle class? (Note: yes, I know you guys will say "cut government spending" and you won't need it).

I'm still waiting to hear what spending they would cut.
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From my understanding, Sanders' brand of "democratic socialism" keeps private industry relatively intact as privately owned, but really ups the ante on the class warfare/eat-the-rich style taxes, wealth redistribution and regulation. Democrats on steroids. I think France's Francois Hollande fits this mold.

A straight up Socialist is more of the Hugo Chavez style of government where nearly all industry is mostly or completely owned by the state. Although Sanders' rhetoric is certainly within the same ballpark as ol' Hugo.

Sanders would be an economic disaster. We'd either see debt so out of control that'd it make our current 18 trillion look like pocket change, and/or taxation so crippling that investors will flee and a stock market drop like a ton of bricks. I'd probably like his social and foreign policy stances though, but that'd be small consolation to the fiscal disaster he'd ignite.

People who call Obama a socialist ain't seen nothin' if Sanders somehow came into power.
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And here you see Exhibit A as to why I'm not a Democrat. DWS, although hot, looks ridiculous here.

Bernie has actually addressed this before way back in 2006...and it's not as cut and dry when it comes to him. He's really a Democratic Socialist. He's never been for an entire government takeover of the means of production like true Socialists.

Quote:I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest. I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly. That’s all it means.
Stop Calling Bernie Sanders a Socialist

But no, hell has not frozen over. Matthews is more than just that guy with a tingle up his leg like the cons continually portray.
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(07-31-2015 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And here you see Exhibit A as to why I'm not a Democrat.

So what are you? Liberal? I'm being serious because I honestly can't tell. When you make a statement like this it is in conflict with how you typically post here. You always seem quick to attack conservatives / Republicans and quick to defend Liberals / Democrats.
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(07-31-2015 07:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 09:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Chris Matthews asks a leftist a hard question






Since Wasserman-Schultz refused to answer maybe one of our resident leftists would like to tell us the difference between a democrat and a socialist. Any takers?

She can't answer that question without admitting there is almost zero difference.

This will be in a GOP commercial. She's the GD chair of the DNC. She should be fired immediately.
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(07-31-2015 12:58 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  From my understanding, Sanders' brand of "democratic socialism" keeps private industry relatively intact as privately owned, but really ups the ante on the class warfare/eat-the-rich style taxes, wealth redistribution and regulation. Democrats on steroids. I think France's Francois Hollande fits this mold.

A straight up Socialist is more of the Hugo Chavez style of government where nearly all industry is mostly or completely owned by the state. Although Sanders' rhetoric is certainly within the same ballpark as ol' Hugo.

Sanders would be an economic disaster. We'd either see debt so out of control that'd it make our current 18 trillion look like pocket change, and/or taxation so crippling that investors will flee and a stock market drop like a ton of bricks. I'd probably like his social and foreign policy stances though, but that'd be small consolation to the fiscal disaster he'd ignite.

People who call Obama a socialist ain't seen nothin' if Sanders somehow came into power.


Maybe that's exactly what this country needs? To reach the full magnitude of the pendulum swing?
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(07-31-2015 01:12 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And here you see Exhibit A as to why I'm not a Democrat.

So what are you? Liberal? I'm being serious because I honestly can't tell. When you make a statement like this it is in conflict with how you typically post here. You always seem quick to attack conservatives / Republicans and quick to defend Liberals / Democrats.

I attack those fostering bull**** as fact. It just so happens around here that it comes so overwhelmingly from the far right, that I don't have time left to attack the far left...although I do from time to time.

I'm an independent for the most part. I'm liberal on many issues and conservative on some as well. You might call me an American.
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(07-31-2015 01:13 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 07:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 09:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Chris Matthews asks a leftist a hard question






Since Wasserman-Schultz refused to answer maybe one of our resident leftists would like to tell us the difference between a democrat and a socialist. Any takers?

She can't answer that question without admitting there is almost zero difference.

This will be in a GOP commercial. She's the GD chair of the DNC. She should be fired immediately.

Perhaps...she needed to be ready for that question way before it was asked.
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(07-31-2015 11:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 10:56 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 05:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.

You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?

Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.

Obscene profits.

Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.

Tax the "rich."

At some point, you've made enough money.

Windfall profits.

Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:

Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.

Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
Well, we have a large debt to pay. Who do you want to tax? The poor? The middle class? (Note: yes, I know you guys will say "cut government spending" and you won't need it).

I'm still waiting to hear what spending they would cut.

Clearly there is a LOT of spending that can and should be cut, starting with the bloated federal bureaucratic machine that functions largely as a very well paid social program. You know something like 6 of the 10 wealthiest Zip codes in the Country are the areas surrounding DC? Now, why would that be? What on earth is one government doing spending 4 TRILLION Dollars a YEAR?!? Good grief.

But, alas, I know in the real world, the real world of Nanny-staters, cradle to grave entitlement culture and everyone standing around with their hand out, while actively encouraging more and more people that will contribute little, but take even more to simply walk on in, that's probably not a realistic proposition at this point. At least not until we reach the true abyss of bankruptcy.

So what can we do instead? Tax the "rich". Sure. Take all their money and give it to people that haven't earned it, but apparently "deserve" it. Send some to the debt too, I guess. Tax corporations. Sure take all their money and assets as well. Slice 'em up and sell it off. Send that money to others also, send some to the debt.

Now, where are we? Are we still spending the same amount year after year? So how do we pay for all this largesse the next time around? The producers are sapped, the companies shuttered and there's no more to be squeezed out of them. Thats an extreme, clearly, but this is in essence what is happening, in a slow painful death kind of way. And it's not helping. At all. We are still piling up something in the neighborhood of 500 MM in debt, per DAY.

So what's left? Simple.

Do what OWL's suggesting- take the freaking shackles OFF this crap economy. The American people, the productive ones at least, are the best and the brightest there is. Why create ever more obstacles, instead of ever more opportunity?

GROW the economy. Make it a "buyers market" for employees cause Companies NEED to hire people. Guess what? Wages necessarily go UP! Guess what then? People will want to, and can, go back to work. Guess what then? Fewer people on the public dole, fewer resources going out. Guess what else then? More people paying IN. Tax receipts go UP as well. Guess what else then then? The annual deficits go down. We aren't adding to the debt nearly as quickly. Then then then, we can get a handle on the debt as a lower % of GDP. We're no longer Greece! YAY!

This disinterested, ill prepared, only concerned with being an ultra social justice crusader, community agitator has proven beyond any semblance of a doubt he nor his team has the slightest idea how to get the economy going again in any meaningful way. Psssst! zerO! Taking it from one person and just giving it to another doesn't grow squat. It's just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

So let's finally, and mercifully, get these 16 yo "Leave Brittany Alone" screaming types OUT of any positions of responsibility and let the adults back in charge.

The business of America is business. It's the only hope we have.

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(07-31-2015 11:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 10:56 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 05:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.

You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?

Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.

Obscene profits.

Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.

Tax the "rich."

At some point, you've made enough money.

Windfall profits.

Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:

Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.

Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
Well, we have a large debt to pay. Who do you want to tax? The poor? The middle class? (Note: yes, I know you guys will say "cut government spending" and you won't need it).

I'm still waiting to hear what spending they would cut.
The same stuff Rauner wants to cut.
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(07-31-2015 01:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And here you see Exhibit A as to why I'm not a Democrat. DWS, although hot, looks ridiculous here.

Bernie has actually addressed this before way back in 2006...and it's not as cut and dry when it comes to him. He's really a Democratic Socialist. He's never been for an entire government takeover of the means of production like true Socialists.

Quote:I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest. I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly. That’s all it means.
Stop Calling Bernie Sanders a Socialist

Bot no, hell has not frozen over. Matthews is more than just that guy with a tingle up his leg like the cons continually portray.

And "Thor" is a blithering moron.

None of that schit is "free", Thor. Sorry, none of it. Dipschit.

But keep clinging to that

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(07-31-2015 10:56 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-31-2015 05:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 11:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 10:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Come on man. You don't actually believe that do you?
Yes. At least the ones like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders do. And most of the "base." Then there are the ones like Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank, who are okay as long as the profits end up in their pockets, just nobody else.
I don't. I have no problems with profits add long as they were obtained legally.

You're not a national democrat leader either, are you?

Look, I probably should have clarified. I think there are a lot of democrat followers who don't believe all profits are bad. I will modify my comment to that extent. But look at the rhetoric from the leadership.

Obscene profits.

Health care is a right, nobody should profit from it.

Tax the "rich."

At some point, you've made enough money.

Windfall profits.

Those and other class warfare demagoguery clearly show a hatred for profits. And look at their policies:

Highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world.

Constantly raising costs for businesses, and constantly increasing the regulatory hoops through which they must jump, without providing any relief.
Well, we have a large debt to pay. Who do you want to tax? The poor? The middle class? (Note: yes, I know you guys will say "cut government spending" and you won't need it).


Agree 100% with Owl here...

and for Robert, if you know that's the comment, why don't you address it? Surely you'd admit that there is SOMETHING that the government wastes billions if not trillions on. We may debate exactly what that is, but I suspect you could make a long list yourself.

I think if 'the people' were even remotely convinced that there was any significant effort being put forth to ensure efficient spending of the money already collected, that there would be less resistance to collecting more. Not saying there would be zero, but saying there would be less.

and yes... when the model for increasing taxes involves getting more people to accept or not care about benefits than you have people paying for those benefits, it's an issue.

The reality is that although they certainly don't generally volunteer to pay more than they are required to, the wealthy truly aren't hurt by raising their taxes. Unfortunately, the schemes they employ to avoid paying more than they are required to have implications for the rest of us.... and the burden ends up falling on people who can't afford those schemes, but also that really ARE hurt by raising their taxes.

I mean seriously. When is the last time a government spending plan promised to be 'deficit neutral' actually was? I can't name one that generated more revenue than was expected.
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