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(08-11-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Maybe we can get Jones back when he gets fired?

You may need to wait awhile. They generally love him in Knoxville and he is about to piss off the sourpuss segment of jilted UC fans in the next 2 years. A lot of my wife's family are UT alums...I'll be subjected to having to sit with them and listen to their damn idiotic RockeyTop singing in the visitors section at Alabama this year....I'll be wearing crimson since my kid starts there this weekend.

Like it or lump it, the guy made a great decision to take that job and has compiled an incredible coaching staff.
 
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(08-11-2015 10:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Maybe we can get Jones back when he gets fired?

You may need to wait awhile. They generally love him in Knoxville and he is about to piss off the sourpuss segment of jilted UC fans in the next 2 years. A lot of my wife's family are UT alums...I'll be subjected to having to sit with them and listen to their damn idiotic RockeyTop singing in the visitors section at Alabama this year....I'll be wearing crimson since my kid starts there this weekend.

Like it or lump it, the guy made a great decision to take that job and has compiled an incredible coaching staff.

Rath, he better rattle off a 10 win soon. He gotta a few ex players on trial for rape also.
 
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(08-11-2015 10:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Maybe we can get Jones back when he gets fired?

You may need to wait awhile. They generally love him in Knoxville and he is about to piss off the sourpuss segment of jilted UC fans in the next 2 years. A lot of my wife's family are UT alums...I'll be subjected to having to sit with them and listen to their damn idiotic RockeyTop singing in the visitors section at Alabama this year....I'll be wearing crimson since my kid starts there this weekend.

Like it or lump it, the guy made a great decision to take that job and has compiled an incredible coaching staff.

Rath, he better rattle off a 10 win soon. He gotta a few ex players on trial for rape also.


He doesn't need one soon.

You either must not know or care how much of a hot mess that program was after 2012. UT fans like the guy and love that he came in and cranked the recruiting up to an eleven. A top 10 and top 5 class these past 2 NSDs when you are in a full-on rebuild mode in the SEC is getting it done.

As I referenced earlier, they could give some teams fits this year but will be really good in 2016. That team has so much elite young talent it is nuts. When they get another year under their belts they will challenge for the SEC East IMO.
 
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(08-11-2015 11:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Maybe we can get Jones back when he gets fired?

You may need to wait awhile. They generally love him in Knoxville and he is about to piss off the sourpuss segment of jilted UC fans in the next 2 years. A lot of my wife's family are UT alums...I'll be subjected to having to sit with them and listen to their damn idiotic RockeyTop singing in the visitors section at Alabama this year....I'll be wearing crimson since my kid starts there this weekend.

Like it or lump it, the guy made a great decision to take that job and has compiled an incredible coaching staff.

Rath, he better rattle off a 10 win soon. He gotta a few ex players on trial for rape also.


He doesn't need one soon.

You either must not know or care how much of a hot mess that program was after 2012. UT fans like the guy and love that he came in and cranked the recruiting up to an eleven. A top 10 and top 5 class these past 2 NSDs when you are in a full-on rebuild mode in the SEC is getting it done.

As I referenced earlier, they could give some teams fits this year but will be really good in 2016. That team has so much elite young talent it is nuts. When they get another year under their belts they will challenge for the SEC East IMO.

My ex and family are from Johnson City. I am well versed in all things Vol country. When Ole Miss and MSU are winning more games.............not good. They are preseason #25. We shall see, SEC East is up for anyone.
 
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I don't hate Butch, but I'm not pining for him either. You can admire him for being astute in taking the Tennessee job, but remember the whole flight-tracker drama to Boulder... He jobbed us, pure and simple.

I have gotten to the point where I don't really admire Head Coaches. It's a business. Butch came in, he did his job and he got paid. Now he's doing his job and getting paid somewhere else. If the Vols fans love him...eh, fine. They're naïve if they think he won't jump out of Knoxville the second a better job ('Bama, Auburn, Texas, or the NFL) comes calling. Hell, you have to think that even Whit has his name tucked into the rolodex and maybe one day soon, there will be flight-tracker reports of a Beech making an unpublicized trip from Blacksburg to Knoxville. But that's not our problem.
 
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He didn't job anyone. He did the same thing anyone on this board does when they look for a better job. If you recall, the big clusterfuq in Boulder was the AD who turned it into a botched media circus show and tell...oh...yeah, he's our AD now. Never mind...

Fans sound silly when they cry about coaches leaving. No coach switches jobs without pissing fans off. Can anyone really argue Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did not make the right move? Every fan base does it and it all sounds like it is read from the same script. In the moment it makes sense since the emotions are so strong and fresh...but years later? It's like some are jilted ex girlfriends still.
 
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(08-11-2015 10:15 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I never sweated Jones for 2010 because I called us sucking hind tit that year before the opening kickoff. Bouncing back to win back to back conference titles and decent bowl games was huge.

Agreed. 2010 would have been a disaster for any new coach coming into that situation. He inherited a LOT of internal problems on that 2010 roster that have gone largely unmentioned.
 
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(08-11-2015 11:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 11:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Maybe we can get Jones back when he gets fired?

You may need to wait awhile. They generally love him in Knoxville and he is about to piss off the sourpuss segment of jilted UC fans in the next 2 years. A lot of my wife's family are UT alums...I'll be subjected to having to sit with them and listen to their damn idiotic RockeyTop singing in the visitors section at Alabama this year....I'll be wearing crimson since my kid starts there this weekend.

Like it or lump it, the guy made a great decision to take that job and has compiled an incredible coaching staff.

Rath, he better rattle off a 10 win soon. He gotta a few ex players on trial for rape also.


He doesn't need one soon.

You either must not know or care how much of a hot mess that program was after 2012. UT fans like the guy and love that he came in and cranked the recruiting up to an eleven. A top 10 and top 5 class these past 2 NSDs when you are in a full-on rebuild mode in the SEC is getting it done.

As I referenced earlier, they could give some teams fits this year but will be really good in 2016. That team has so much elite young talent it is nuts. When they get another year under their belts they will challenge for the SEC East IMO.

My ex and family are from Johnson City. I am well versed in all things Vol country. When Ole Miss and MSU are winning more games.............not good. They are preseason #25. We shall see, SEC East is up for anyone.

Ole Miss and MSU winning more games last year was a product of Derek Dooley and nothing more. I know a lot of UC fans have a strange hatred for the man, but realistically he inherited the worst roster in the SEC without question. It was worse than UK and Vandy's when he took over that program. I think he's done a great job up to this point. He's definitely building up that roster for the coming years.
 
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(07-30-2015 06:45 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  And before someone says preseason polls don't matter: wrong. They matter a lot. The more teams you have to jump to get to 25, the harder it is. And when you're not in the top 25 you don't get the best media coverage. Polls are crucial. If you're in a foot race you don't want to start in the 52nd position.

Nothing we can do about it but win. Just like always.

I agree. I always say they don't matter much in basketball, because polls are not part of the criteria. But football is completely different, especially now that they've completely eliminated computer rankings from the process. When you have College Gameday as the de-facto selection committee, UC really has little to no chance in this.

As for Jones, yes good coach, but why does anyone really give a F**K (except Marcus).
 
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(08-11-2015 11:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He didn't job anyone. He did the same thing anyone on this board does when they look for a better job. If you recall, the big clusterfuq in Boulder was the AD who turned it into a botched media circus show and tell...oh...yeah, he's our AD now. Never mind...

Fans sound silly when they cry about coaches leaving. No coach switches jobs without pissing fans off. Can anyone really argue Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did not make the right move? Every fan base does it and it all sounds like it is read from the same script. In the moment it makes sense since the emotions are so strong and fresh...but years later? It's like some are jilted ex girlfriends still.

All of this.

And if we are talking about who handled leaving from best to worst. Butch definitely handled things the best. Kelly didn't have the decency or guts to tell his players he was leaving. He just picked up and left. And Dantonio immediately started trying to recruit current UC players to join him at Michigan State.
 
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(08-12-2015 06:11 AM)Brian_Johnson Wrote:  
(07-30-2015 06:45 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  And before someone says preseason polls don't matter: wrong. They matter a lot. The more teams you have to jump to get to 25, the harder it is. And when you're not in the top 25 you don't get the best media coverage. Polls are crucial. If you're in a foot race you don't want to start in the 52nd position.

Nothing we can do about it but win. Just like always.

I agree. I always say they don't matter much in basketball, because polls are not part of the criteria. But football is completely different, especially now that they've completely eliminated computer rankings from the process. When you have College Gameday as the de-facto selection committee, UC really has little to no chance in this.

As for Jones, yes good coach, but why does anyone really give a F**K (except Marcus).

Polls definitely matter in football and I agree about Gameday and all that crap.

Also, I didn't start the convo about him or Tennessee or Butch. I just responded to what someone else said early in the thread. Like I said, a lot of UC fans seem to have a weird hatred / obsession when it comes to him. He did what every other coach in the country would have done and actually handled leaving better than most would have.
 
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(08-12-2015 06:16 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Also, I didn't start the convo about him or Tennessee or Butch. I just responded to what someone else said early in the thread. Like I said, a lot of UC fans seem to have a weird hatred / obsession when it comes to him. He did what every other coach in the country would have done and actually handled leaving better than most would have.

Agreed. Besides, there's really no "good way" to leave a program. That's especially true nowadays given that nothing can be kept quiet due to social media.
 
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(08-12-2015 08:25 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 06:16 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Also, I didn't start the convo about him or Tennessee or Butch. I just responded to what someone else said early in the thread. Like I said, a lot of UC fans seem to have a weird hatred / obsession when it comes to him. He did what every other coach in the country would have done and actually handled leaving better than most would have.

Agreed. Besides, there's really no "good way" to leave a program. That's especially true nowadays given that nothing can be kept quiet due to social media.

I don't know that people "hate" Butch Jones. I have no real ill will towards the guy, I just wasn't overly impressed with the job he did at UC and want to see him build a program not inherit one. He followed BK to a Central Michigan squad that BK had resurrected. He followed BK to a UC squad that had gone unbeaten the year before, and that went 36-6 while BK was coaching UC (then proceeded to go 23-14 under Butch Jones against weaker competition). So far his record at Tennessee isn't significantly different than the prior coaches.

My opinion on Butch Jones is he was a drop off from BK and Dantonio. There were things he did well and maybe that will translate at Tennessee, but I didn't think he was great and unlike with BK I wasn't devastated to see him leave.
 
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(08-12-2015 06:16 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Also, I didn't start the convo about him or Tennessee or Butch. I just responded to what someone else said early in the thread. Like I said, a lot of UC fans seem to have a weird hatred / obsession when it comes to him. He did what every other coach in the country would have done and actually handled leaving better than most would have.

I realize that... I was just pointing out that you are probably the only one on the board who I would reasonably expect to have an emotional investment in both Butch and UT, and should, therefore, care.
 
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(08-12-2015 08:25 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Besides, there's really no "good way" to leave a program.

I know of one: finish the damn season you start 02-13-banana I know... I know what you're going to say about that...
 
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(08-12-2015 09:30 AM)Brian_Johnson Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 06:16 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Also, I didn't start the convo about him or Tennessee or Butch. I just responded to what someone else said early in the thread. Like I said, a lot of UC fans seem to have a weird hatred / obsession when it comes to him. He did what every other coach in the country would have done and actually handled leaving better than most would have.

I realize that... I was just pointing out that you are probably the only one on the board who I would reasonably expect to have an emotional investment in both Butch and UT, and should, therefore, care.

That's definitely true. If I thought he was doing a bad job I'd be the first one calling for his head at UT LOL.

Clearly, I felt he did a better job at UC than some on here feel, which is fine.
 
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(08-12-2015 09:31 AM)Brian_Johnson Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 08:25 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Besides, there's really no "good way" to leave a program.

I know of one: finish the damn season you start 02-13-banana I know... I know what you're going to say about that...

The NCAA could fix the leaving early the same way the NFL has. That said the NCAA is too chicken bleep to do it.
 
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(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)dossbig Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:31 AM)Brian_Johnson Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 08:25 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Besides, there's really no "good way" to leave a program.

I know of one: finish the damn season you start 02-13-banana I know... I know what you're going to say about that...

The NCAA could fix the leaving early the same way the NFL has. That said the NCAA is too chicken bleep to do it.

True DAT.
 
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(08-11-2015 11:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He didn't job anyone. He did the same thing anyone on this board does when they look for a better job. If you recall, the big clusterfuq in Boulder was the AD who turned it into a botched media circus show and tell...oh...yeah, he's our AD now. Never mind...

Fans sound silly when they cry about coaches leaving. No coach switches jobs without pissing fans off. Can anyone really argue Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did not make the right move? Every fan base does it and it all sounds like it is read from the same script. In the moment it makes sense since the emotions are so strong and fresh...but years later? It's like some are jilted ex girlfriends still.

Speaking of BK, looks like he still thinks about us. Check out the helmets in his basement.
[Image: CMPumxyVAAAMubj.jpg:large]
 
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(08-13-2015 04:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 11:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He didn't job anyone. He did the same thing anyone on this board does when they look for a better job. If you recall, the big clusterfuq in Boulder was the AD who turned it into a botched media circus show and tell...oh...yeah, he's our AD now. Never mind...

Fans sound silly when they cry about coaches leaving. No coach switches jobs without pissing fans off. Can anyone really argue Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did not make the right move? Every fan base does it and it all sounds like it is read from the same script. In the moment it makes sense since the emotions are so strong and fresh...but years later? It's like some are jilted ex girlfriends still.

Speaking of BK, looks like he still thinks about us. Check out the helmets in his basement.
[Image: CMPumxyVAAAMubj.jpg:large]

It is interesting that the helmet happens to be the cursed white one. You know the one introduced before the game he ditched, the Sugar Bowl.
 
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