(07-30-2015 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say the most likely change is Baylor doesn't go to the playoffs, replaced by Oregon.

Orange Ohio St/Oregon
Cotton TCU/Alabama
Sugar Auburn/Baylor
Rose USC/Michigan St
Peach FSU/Boise St
Fiesta Notre Dame/Georgia

Thinking FSU would get Peach over Georgia just as the conference champion...

Why do you think Baylor will be the one to drop? They return more starters than any team in the conference. Beyond that they have Back-to-Back conference titles to prove they can maintain what has been going on in Waco. If a Big 12 team is going to stumble it will be TCU.

(07-30-2015 11:12 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  So...

Boise State is the only G5 in the "Top 25".

Other G5s receiving votes-

Air Force 5- MWC
LA Tech 5- CUSA
Marshall 4- C-USA
Utah State 4- MWC
Georgia Southern 2- Sun Belt
Central Florida 1- AAC
Cincinnati 1- AAC

The most important thing I take away from this is that the P5 don't really see a difference in the G5 conferences. Some of the AAC posters like to pound the chest and claim their conference is superior to the other G5s, but polls like this tell a different story.

Not a great start for the Aersco and AAC PR about being the best G5 Conference and deserving the most respect.
MWC - 3 teams and most votes.
CUSA two teams with 9 votes than the AAC two teams with 2 votes.
Even with the AAC's two teams to the Sunbelts 1, the combined number of votes were the same for both conferences, 2.

I have to admit, I really thought Memphis would have gotten at least one vote. Well the AAC did beat out the MAC.

At least with the polls coming out, football season is getting that much more closer.

(07-30-2015 12:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 12:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  bowl matchups with this-
Orange Ohio St/Baylor
Cotton TCU/Alabama
Sugar Auburn/Oklahoma
Rose Oregon/Michigan St
Peach FSU/Georgia
Fiesta USC/Boise St

Notre Dame left out thanks to Oklahoma getting the Sugar Bowl slot.

Why does Oklahoma get the Sugar Bowl slot? Does that assume that the selection committee throws the B12 a bone to make up for last year?

It's a contract bowl. If Baylor/TCU make playoffs, that spot then would go to a 3rd Big 12 team. Same thing with the SEC(Sugar), Big Ten/Pac 12(Rose).

So it does require that the B12 place two teams in the CFP. That would require that both the PAC 12 and ACC champ lose at least two games, and probably that the #2 team in the SEC have at least two losses. Stranger things have happened, but I'm betting that the voice of ESPN will be heard and only one B12 team will get in. But ask me again in Week 15, when teams have already played their schedules.

Well, at least there are not 9 SEC teams in the top 10 this year....

List of Voters for this years Coaches Poll
The Amway Board of Coaches is made up of 64 head coaches at Bowl Subdivision schools. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association. The board for the 2015 season: Dino Babers, Bowling Green; David Bailiff, Rice; Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech; Craig Bohl, Wyoming; Terry Bowden, Akron; Art Briles, Baylor; Troy Calhoun, Air Force; Matt Campbell, Toledo; Rod Carey, Northern Illinois; Norm Chow, Hawaii; Paul Chryst, Wisconsin; Larry Coker, Texas-San Antonio; David Cutcliffe, Duke; Mark Dantonio, Michigan State; Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State; Bob Diaco, Connecticut; Larry Fedora, North Carolina; Jimbo Fisher, Florida State; Kyle Flood, Rutgers; Dennis Franchione, Texas State; James Franklin, Penn State; Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern; Al Golden, Miami; Todd Graham, Arizona State; Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State; Jim Harbaugh, Michigan; Mark Helfrich, Oregon; Doc Holliday, Marshall; Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette; Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech; Joey Jones, South Alabama; Brian Kelly, Notre Dame; Brad Lambert, Charlotte; Lance Leipold, Buffalo; Rocky Long, San Diego State; Mike MacIntyre, Colorado; Gus Malzahn, Auburn; Doug Martin, New Mexico State; Dan McCarney, North Texas; Ruffin McNeill, East Carolina; Bronco Mendenhall, Brigham Young; Urban Meyer, Ohio State; Les Miles, LSU; Phillip Montgomery, Tulsa; Jim Mora, UCLA; Ken Niumatalolo, Navy; George O'Leary, Central Florida; Gary Patterson, TCU; Chris Petersen, Washington; Paul Petrino, Idaho; Gary Pinkel, Missouri; Paul Rhoads, Iowa State; Mark Richt, Georgia; Mike Riley, Nebraska; Nick Saban, Alabama; Frank Solich, Ohio; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina; Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee State; Bob Stoops, Oklahoma; Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M; Dabo Swinney, Clemson; Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati; Matt Wells, Utah State; Kyle Whittingham, Utah

(07-30-2015 12:24 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  List of Voters for this years Coaches Poll
The Amway Board of Coaches is made up of 64 head coaches at Bowl Subdivision schools. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association. The board for the 2015 season: Dino Babers, Bowling Green; David Bailiff, Rice; Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech; Craig Bohl, Wyoming; Terry Bowden, Akron; Art Briles, Baylor; Troy Calhoun, Air Force; Matt Campbell, Toledo; Rod Carey, Northern Illinois; Norm Chow, Hawaii; Paul Chryst, Wisconsin; Larry Coker, Texas-San Antonio; David Cutcliffe, Duke; Mark Dantonio, Michigan State; Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State; Bob Diaco, Connecticut; Larry Fedora, North Carolina; Jimbo Fisher, Florida State; Kyle Flood, Rutgers; Dennis Franchione, Texas State; James Franklin, Penn State; Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern; Al Golden, Miami; Todd Graham, Arizona State; Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State; Jim Harbaugh, Michigan; Mark Helfrich, Oregon; Doc Holliday, Marshall; Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette; Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech; Joey Jones, South Alabama; Brian Kelly, Notre Dame; Brad Lambert, Charlotte; Lance Leipold, Buffalo; Rocky Long, San Diego State; Mike MacIntyre, Colorado; Gus Malzahn, Auburn; Doug Martin, New Mexico State; Dan McCarney, North Texas; Ruffin McNeill, East Carolina; Bronco Mendenhall, Brigham Young; Urban Meyer, Ohio State; Les Miles, LSU; Phillip Montgomery, Tulsa; Jim Mora, UCLA; Ken Niumatalolo, Navy; George O'Leary, Central Florida; Gary Patterson, TCU; Chris Petersen, Washington; Paul Petrino, Idaho; Gary Pinkel, Missouri; Paul Rhoads, Iowa State; Mark Richt, Georgia; Mike Riley, Nebraska; Nick Saban, Alabama; Frank Solich, Ohio; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina; Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee State; Bob Stoops, Oklahoma; Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M; Dabo Swinney, Clemson; Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati; Matt Wells, Utah State; Kyle Whittingham, Utah

The "Amway Board of Coaches"? Puh-leeze. Is there nothing companies won't put their name on, and nothing people won't sell naming rights to?

(07-30-2015 12:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 12:24 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  List of Voters for this years Coaches Poll
The Amway Board of Coaches is made up of 64 head coaches at Bowl Subdivision schools. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association. The board for the 2015 season: Dino Babers, Bowling Green; David Bailiff, Rice; Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech; Craig Bohl, Wyoming; Terry Bowden, Akron; Art Briles, Baylor; Troy Calhoun, Air Force; Matt Campbell, Toledo; Rod Carey, Northern Illinois; Norm Chow, Hawaii; Paul Chryst, Wisconsin; Larry Coker, Texas-San Antonio; David Cutcliffe, Duke; Mark Dantonio, Michigan State; Tim DeRuyter, Fresno State; Bob Diaco, Connecticut; Larry Fedora, North Carolina; Jimbo Fisher, Florida State; Kyle Flood, Rutgers; Dennis Franchione, Texas State; James Franklin, Penn State; Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern; Al Golden, Miami; Todd Graham, Arizona State; Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State; Jim Harbaugh, Michigan; Mark Helfrich, Oregon; Doc Holliday, Marshall; Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette; Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech; Joey Jones, South Alabama; Brian Kelly, Notre Dame; Brad Lambert, Charlotte; Lance Leipold, Buffalo; Rocky Long, San Diego State; Mike MacIntyre, Colorado; Gus Malzahn, Auburn; Doug Martin, New Mexico State; Dan McCarney, North Texas; Ruffin McNeill, East Carolina; Bronco Mendenhall, Brigham Young; Urban Meyer, Ohio State; Les Miles, LSU; Phillip Montgomery, Tulsa; Jim Mora, UCLA; Ken Niumatalolo, Navy; George O'Leary, Central Florida; Gary Patterson, TCU; Chris Petersen, Washington; Paul Petrino, Idaho; Gary Pinkel, Missouri; Paul Rhoads, Iowa State; Mark Richt, Georgia; Mike Riley, Nebraska; Nick Saban, Alabama; Frank Solich, Ohio; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina; Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee State; Bob Stoops, Oklahoma; Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M; Dabo Swinney, Clemson; Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati; Matt Wells, Utah State; Kyle Whittingham, Utah

The "Amway Board of Coaches"? Puh-leeze. Is there nothing companies won't put their name on, and nothing people won't sell naming rights to?

You would prefer something more in keeping with the coaches? Like "Slim Jim Board of Coaches" or "Pabst Blue Ribbon Board of Coaches".

(07-30-2015 12:02 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say the most likely change is Baylor doesn't go to the playoffs, replaced by Oregon.

Orange Ohio St/Oregon
Cotton TCU/Alabama
Sugar Auburn/Baylor
Rose USC/Michigan St
Peach FSU/Boise St
Fiesta Notre Dame/Georgia

Thinking FSU would get Peach over Georgia just as the conference champion...

Why do you think Baylor will be the one to drop? They return more starters than any team in the conference. Beyond that they have Back-to-Back conference titles to prove they can maintain what has been going on in Waco. If a Big 12 team is going to stumble it will be TCU.

I don't think he is saying stumble as much as using those rankings to just predict how the playoff and New Years bowls would look based on contracts, tie-ins, taking into account champion boost etc. Just for illustration purposes.

(07-30-2015 01:43 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 12:02 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say the most likely change is Baylor doesn't go to the playoffs, replaced by Oregon.

Orange Ohio St/Oregon
Cotton TCU/Alabama
Sugar Auburn/Baylor
Rose USC/Michigan St
Peach FSU/Boise St
Fiesta Notre Dame/Georgia

Thinking FSU would get Peach over Georgia just as the conference champion...

Why do you think Baylor will be the one to drop? They return more starters than any team in the conference. Beyond that they have Back-to-Back conference titles to prove they can maintain what has been going on in Waco. If a Big 12 team is going to stumble it will be TCU.

I don't think he is saying stumble as much as using those rankings to just predict how the playoff and New Years bowls would look based on contracts, tie-ins, taking into account champion boost etc. Just for illustration purposes.

That is fine, but I don't see how TCU is a shoe-in to win the Big 12 when they lost almost half their defense. TCU could be a great team this year and win it all, but the safest bet in the Big 12 is Baylor. The only major piece they have to replace is QB and under Briles leadership, I'm not worried.

The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

One of those opponents is coming off three straight bowl appearances, was a conference champion in 2013, and returns a fifth-year starting quarterback to lead a squad picked to challenge for the C-USA championship again this year. It is definitely not like the other two.

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

(07-30-2015 03:06 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

Well Alabama does have Wisconsin OOC, and then another P5 team in the CCG. So no.

(07-30-2015 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:06 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

Well Alabama does have Wisconsin OOC, and then another P5 team in the CCG. So no.

If that's the case, Baylor does play #2 TCU.....

(07-30-2015 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:06 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

Well Alabama does have Wisconsin OOC, and then another P5 team in the CCG. So no.

No, No, No! You aren't suppose to say the CCG is a disadvantage to the Big 12 folks!

(07-30-2015 03:11 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:06 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

Well Alabama does have Wisconsin OOC, and then another P5 team in the CCG. So no.

If that's the case, Baylor does play #2 TCU.....

Baylor plays two ranked teams compared to Alabama's seven.

(07-30-2015 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 03:06 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 02:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with Baylor frankly is the schedule. If they lose 1 game, they are pretty much screwed. As they should be with SMU, Lamar, Rice as the OOC schedule.

Baylor still plays just as many P5 teams as an Alabama, who has ULM, Middle Tenn, and Charleston Southern. Are you saying that a 1 loss Alabama should be out as well?

Well Alabama does have Wisconsin OOC, and then another P5 team in the CCG. So no.

My point is that you can't just assume a one loss Baylor is out automatically based on their OOC. Especially when other high ranking teams have just as crappy OOC schedules. Now if you want to say that Baylor not playing in a CCG is why they won't get in then fine, but the selection committee has not come out and said that yet.

(07-30-2015 02:04 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 01:43 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 12:02 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say the most likely change is Baylor doesn't go to the playoffs, replaced by Oregon.

Orange Ohio St/Oregon
Cotton TCU/Alabama
Sugar Auburn/Baylor
Rose USC/Michigan St
Peach FSU/Boise St
Fiesta Notre Dame/Georgia

Thinking FSU would get Peach over Georgia just as the conference champion...

Why do you think Baylor will be the one to drop? They return more starters than any team in the conference. Beyond that they have Back-to-Back conference titles to prove they can maintain what has been going on in Waco. If a Big 12 team is going to stumble it will be TCU.

I don't think he is saying stumble as much as using those rankings to just predict how the playoff and New Years bowls would look based on contracts, tie-ins, taking into account champion boost etc. Just for illustration purposes.

That is fine, but I don't see how TCU is a shoe-in to win the Big 12 when they lost almost half their defense. TCU could be a great team this year and win it all, but the safest bet in the Big 12 is Baylor. The only major piece they have to replace is QB and under Briles leadership, I'm not worried.

Should anybody in these rankings really be considered "shoe-ins" when it comes down to it?