(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:23 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  "The average distance to any other Big 12 school is 1,151 miles."

Maybe that doesn't bother the football coach, since they only have to make about 4 conference road games a year, but one would think that it is a significant drawback for all other sports (especially non-revenue) and the fan base.

WVU coach allowed as much, when he said he wasn't speaking for BB or baseball. But I have said several times that geography in general, like Memphis compared to UCF, was not a big issue for WVU or other B12 schools. They all travel by air, so its adding 30 mins to an hour in comparision & not much in terms of charter costs either. If FB is the driver - and it is, then it will make the Memphis versus Cincy versus UCF, etc issue relative to geography, a minor one - as the WVU coach indicated.

Memphis will need to win in other areas - on the field, and most importantly in terms of long term commitment to the program, state funding (own BOR wouldn't hurt), commitment to facilities (improving but our competition in every case has or is committed to an OCS), alumni giving & game attendance. We lag behind at least 2 or more of our competitors for B12 inclusion in each of those areas if it is to be considered a front runner for a move to P5.

And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

(07-29-2015 08:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The whole state should just start over

Ha. From someone living in Alabama.

Bwhahahahaha.

(07-30-2015 08:43 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:17 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 08:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The whole state should just start over

yes definitely the ugliest state I been to.

I think it is a beautiful state, but I don't care for their history - "homemade yankees" in my book. Knoxville is the same way.

Those bastards.

I mean, wanting to sever from Virginia, planning on a year and a half abolition of slavery, then doing exactly that. Yankees. Mmm mm.

(07-29-2015 08:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The whole state should just start over

or just merge back into Virginia

(07-30-2015 10:54 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:23 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  "The average distance to any other Big 12 school is 1,151 miles."

Maybe that doesn't bother the football coach, since they only have to make about 4 conference road games a year, but one would think that it is a significant drawback for all other sports (especially non-revenue) and the fan base.

WVU coach allowed as much, when he said he wasn't speaking for BB or baseball. But I have said several times that geography in general, like Memphis compared to UCF, was not a big issue for WVU or other B12 schools. They all travel by air, so its adding 30 mins to an hour in comparision & not much in terms of charter costs either. If FB is the driver - and it is, then it will make the Memphis versus Cincy versus UCF, etc issue relative to geography, a minor one - as the WVU coach indicated.

Memphis will need to win in other areas - on the field, and most importantly in terms of long term commitment to the program, state funding (own BOR wouldn't hurt), commitment to facilities (improving but our competition in every case has or is committed to an OCS), alumni giving & game attendance. We lag behind at least 2 or more of our competitors for B12 inclusion in each of those areas if it is to be considered a front runner for a move to P5.

And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

Most D-1 schools have a drive time limit over which they fly for any scheduled competition. Don't know what it is for the Tigers minor sports now but I think it has been 6 hours in the past where scheduled direct flights were available. The more important "facts" are, despite the talk to the contrary among some here thinking geography gives Memphis an edge, WVU was selected by the B12 over Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane - all of which are a better geography fit. Therefore the WVU coach saying distance is not an issue for WVU FB & the B12 choosing WVU despite the distance are somehow supposed to be ignored as indicators of importance in favor of uninvolved parties wanting geography to be the major issue. Again the major issues are consistent on the field performance, and indicators of long term commitment to the FB program by fans (season tickets & attendance), financial support (state funding, alumni & donor support) and commitment to facilities (all the competition has an OCS or is committed to building one). I want Memphis to make it to the big time as much as anyone, I just don't buy geography as a major fact - because the B12 has shown it hasn't been so far in decisions made.

(07-30-2015 07:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:54 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:23 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  "The average distance to any other Big 12 school is 1,151 miles."

Maybe that doesn't bother the football coach, since they only have to make about 4 conference road games a year, but one would think that it is a significant drawback for all other sports (especially non-revenue) and the fan base.

WVU coach allowed as much, when he said he wasn't speaking for BB or baseball. But I have said several times that geography in general, like Memphis compared to UCF, was not a big issue for WVU or other B12 schools. They all travel by air, so its adding 30 mins to an hour in comparision & not much in terms of charter costs either. If FB is the driver - and it is, then it will make the Memphis versus Cincy versus UCF, etc issue relative to geography, a minor one - as the WVU coach indicated.

Memphis will need to win in other areas - on the field, and most importantly in terms of long term commitment to the program, state funding (own BOR wouldn't hurt), commitment to facilities (improving but our competition in every case has or is committed to an OCS), alumni giving & game attendance. We lag behind at least 2 or more of our competitors for B12 inclusion in each of those areas if it is to be considered a front runner for a move to P5.

And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

Most D-1 schools have a drive time limit over which they fly for any scheduled competition. Don't know what it is for the Tigers minor sports now but I think it has been 6 hours in the past where scheduled direct flights were available. The more important "facts" are, despite the talk to the contrary among some here thinking geography gives Memphis an edge, WVU was selected by the B12 over Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane - all of which are a better geography fit. Therefore the WVU coach saying distance is not an issue for WVU FB & the B12 choosing WVU despite the distance are somehow supposed to be ignored as indicators of importance in favor of uninvolved parties wanting geography to be the major issue. Again the major issues are consistent on the field performance, and indicators of long term commitment to the FB program by fans (season tickets & attendance), financial support (state funding, alumni & donor support) and commitment to facilities (all the competition has an OCS or is committed to building one). I want Memphis to make it to the big time as much as anyone, I just don't buy geography as a major fact - because the B12 has shown it hasn't been so far in decisions made.

LMAO

(07-30-2015 07:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:54 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:23 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  "The average distance to any other Big 12 school is 1,151 miles."

Maybe that doesn't bother the football coach, since they only have to make about 4 conference road games a year, but one would think that it is a significant drawback for all other sports (especially non-revenue) and the fan base.

WVU coach allowed as much, when he said he wasn't speaking for BB or baseball. But I have said several times that geography in general, like Memphis compared to UCF, was not a big issue for WVU or other B12 schools. They all travel by air, so its adding 30 mins to an hour in comparision & not much in terms of charter costs either. If FB is the driver - and it is, then it will make the Memphis versus Cincy versus UCF, etc issue relative to geography, a minor one - as the WVU coach indicated.

Memphis will need to win in other areas - on the field, and most importantly in terms of long term commitment to the program, state funding (own BOR wouldn't hurt), commitment to facilities (improving but our competition in every case has or is committed to an OCS), alumni giving & game attendance. We lag behind at least 2 or more of our competitors for B12 inclusion in each of those areas if it is to be considered a front runner for a move to P5.

And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

Most D-1 schools have a drive time limit over which they fly for any scheduled competition. Don't know what it is for the Tigers minor sports now but I think it has been 6 hours in the past where scheduled direct flights were available. The more important "facts" are, despite the talk to the contrary among some here thinking geography gives Memphis an edge, WVU was selected by the B12 over Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane - all of which are a better geography fit. Therefore the WVU coach saying distance is not an issue for WVU FB & the B12 choosing WVU despite the distance are somehow supposed to be ignored as indicators of importance in favor of uninvolved parties wanting geography to be the major issue. Again the major issues are consistent on the field performance, and indicators of long term commitment to the FB program by fans (season tickets & attendance), financial support (state funding, alumni & donor support) and commitment to facilities (all the competition has an OCS or is committed to building one). I want Memphis to make it to the big time as much as anyone, I just don't buy geography as a major fact - because the B12 has shown it hasn't been so far in decisions made.

Again. I must take issue.
The overwhelming issue AT THAT TIME was fb success and P5/6 schools.

That's why they went with WVU. They'd had far and away more fb history than anyone else. And had LONG been a football "power" school.

Anyone that falls for all the sudden "misdirection" of travel not being a big issue right now, is simply buying into "misinformation".

(07-31-2015 10:04 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 07:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:54 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 09:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  WVU coach allowed as much, when he said he wasn't speaking for BB or baseball. But I have said several times that geography in general, like Memphis compared to UCF, was not a big issue for WVU or other B12 schools. They all travel by air, so its adding 30 mins to an hour in comparision & not much in terms of charter costs either. If FB is the driver - and it is, then it will make the Memphis versus Cincy versus UCF, etc issue relative to geography, a minor one - as the WVU coach indicated.

Memphis will need to win in other areas - on the field, and most importantly in terms of long term commitment to the program, state funding (own BOR wouldn't hurt), commitment to facilities (improving but our competition in every case has or is committed to an OCS), alumni giving & game attendance. We lag behind at least 2 or more of our competitors for B12 inclusion in each of those areas if it is to be considered a front runner for a move to P5.

And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

Most D-1 schools have a drive time limit over which they fly for any scheduled competition. Don't know what it is for the Tigers minor sports now but I think it has been 6 hours in the past where scheduled direct flights were available. The more important "facts" are, despite the talk to the contrary among some here thinking geography gives Memphis an edge, WVU was selected by the B12 over Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane - all of which are a better geography fit. Therefore the WVU coach saying distance is not an issue for WVU FB & the B12 choosing WVU despite the distance are somehow supposed to be ignored as indicators of importance in favor of uninvolved parties wanting geography to be the major issue. Again the major issues are consistent on the field performance, and indicators of long term commitment to the FB program by fans (season tickets & attendance), financial support (state funding, alumni & donor support) and commitment to facilities (all the competition has an OCS or is committed to building one). I want Memphis to make it to the big time as much as anyone, I just don't buy geography as a major fact - because the B12 has shown it hasn't been so far in decisions made.

Again. I must take issue.
The overwhelming issue AT THAT TIME was fb success and P5/6 schools.

That's why they went with WVU. They'd had far and away more fb history than anyone else. And had LONG been a football "power" school.

Anyone that falls for all the sudden "misdirection" of travel not being a big issue right now, is simply buying into "misinformation".

Virtually every article that discusses B12 expansion includes BYU, CSU, and UCF as schools being considered- if travel were a "major" consideration they would be discounted as frontrunners. Rather those schools are considered by many to lead Memphis in virtually every category except geography. The major considerations for B12 invitations are those I have listed above, not because they originated with me but rather because they have been repeated by the B12 decision makers & influencers (coaches, ADs etc), those who write knowledgeably about the B12 and likely most importantly by the actual decisions that have led to invitations to P5 status in the recent past for such schools as Louisville, WVU, & Rutgers. If geography is an issue, it is relatively minor in comparison.

(07-31-2015 10:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 10:04 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 07:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:54 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  And yet it is such a not big issue, that it is constantly being talked about for 4 years now. Funny, that people think that UCF and BYU would also be non issues.

Most schools play between 16 and 20 sports. Just throwing that out there.

Ya, and football and possibly basketball are the only sports that are flying on a consistent basis. The rest are driving...

Most D-1 schools have a drive time limit over which they fly for any scheduled competition. Don't know what it is for the Tigers minor sports now but I think it has been 6 hours in the past where scheduled direct flights were available. The more important "facts" are, despite the talk to the contrary among some here thinking geography gives Memphis an edge, WVU was selected by the B12 over Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane - all of which are a better geography fit. Therefore the WVU coach saying distance is not an issue for WVU FB & the B12 choosing WVU despite the distance are somehow supposed to be ignored as indicators of importance in favor of uninvolved parties wanting geography to be the major issue. Again the major issues are consistent on the field performance, and indicators of long term commitment to the FB program by fans (season tickets & attendance), financial support (state funding, alumni & donor support) and commitment to facilities (all the competition has an OCS or is committed to building one). I want Memphis to make it to the big time as much as anyone, I just don't buy geography as a major fact - because the B12 has shown it hasn't been so far in decisions made.

Again. I must take issue.
The overwhelming issue AT THAT TIME was fb success and P5/6 schools.

That's why they went with WVU. They'd had far and away more fb history than anyone else. And had LONG been a football "power" school.

Anyone that falls for all the sudden "misdirection" of travel not being a big issue right now, is simply buying into "misinformation".

Virtually every article that discusses B12 expansion includes BYU, CSU, and UCF as schools being considered- if travel were a "major" consideration they would be discounted as frontrunners. Rather those schools are considered by many to lead Memphis in virtually every category except geography. The major considerations for B12 invitations are those I have listed above, not because they originated with me but rather because they have been repeated by the B12 decision makers & influencers (coaches, ADs etc), those who write knowledgeably about the B12 and likely most importantly by the actual decisions that have led to invitations to P5 status in the recent past for such schools as Louisville, WVU, & Rutgers. If geography is an issue, it is relatively minor in comparison.

It is universally agreed on, that Louisville was an infinitely better choice than WVU. You ignore this. The Pyramid was built with small seats with not enough legroom. That is your WVU example in a nutshell. You are making the less than plausible argument that because they made the mistake once, that it wasn't a mistake. For some strange reason, you also conveniently ignore the fact that everyone has mentioned travelling distance as an issue for the last 4 years.

They aren't going to make the same mistake twice.