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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 07:34 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's weird because while I agree Trump makes them nervous, it's not for the reasons many have posted threads about. He makes them nervous because they are worried he will make more asinine comments similar to the ones about illegal immigrants, and that the Republican base will cheer him for making them. The fear comes from the fact that they know that when this happens he shows the dirty underside of the actual Republican base, and it makes Republicans less electable in a national election.

But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.

Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?

I just want to point out the hypocrisy of this post. Calling out others for being extreme while implying that democrats are communists.
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It will be am interesting race/debate season. Sure to upset some, but in the end a good ride and result. Lots of twists and turns in primary season.

Owls are pretty much correct. Don't make owls mad... they'll getcha. 05-nono
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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-28-2015 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 07:34 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's weird because while I agree Trump makes them nervous, it's not for the reasons many have posted threads about. He makes them nervous because they are worried he will make more asinine comments similar to the ones about illegal immigrants, and that the Republican base will cheer him for making them. The fear comes from the fact that they know that when this happens he shows the dirty underside of the actual Republican base, and it makes Republicans less electable in a national election.

But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.

Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?

I just want to point out the hypocrisy of this post. Calling out others for being extreme while implying that democrats are communists.

Well, and socialists. He included them as well.

For your more "moderate" weirdo's.
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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-28-2015 11:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.
Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?
I just want to point out the hypocrisy of this post. Calling out others for being extreme while implying that democrats are communists.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply. Did not intend to be so subtle and nuanced. To clarify, I will state it more directly. Democrat base are socialists/communists. Republican base are theocrats. I'm neither.

There, I've attacked both democrat and republican bases. Are you happy now?
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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 07:34 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's weird because while I agree Trump makes them nervous, it's not for the reasons many have posted threads about. He makes them nervous because they are worried he will make more asinine comments similar to the ones about illegal immigrants, and that the Republican base will cheer him for making them. The fear comes from the fact that they know that when this happens he shows the dirty underside of the actual Republican base, and it makes Republicans less electable in a national election.

But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.

Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?
Maybe Jeb or Rubio will run as a 3rd party and you can have your #cuckservative to vote for.

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(07-29-2015 05:26 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.
Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?
Maybe Jeb or Rubio will run as a 3rd party and you can have your #cuckservative to vote for.
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Well, I have two problems with your "conservatives":

1) They can't win a general election, and
2) They're not conservative.
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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-29-2015 06:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 05:26 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.
Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?
Maybe Jeb or Rubio will run as a 3rd party and you can have your #cuckservative to vote for.
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Well, I have two problems with your "conservatives":

1) They can't win a general election, and
2) They're not conservative.
I think you are sorely misinterpreting what people want.

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RE: I really liked this quote from John Weaver about the debates
(07-29-2015 06:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 05:26 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 08:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But that also gives them the opportunity to distance themselves from those positions by taking Trump on. Everything about him says that he's the typical bully who folds when somebody jumps in his face and smacks him back. His balloon could burst pretty quickly if people take him on. Then again, maybe they are just a bunch of wimps. The kind that bullies like Trump prey upon.
Quite frankly, if he represents the republican base, then I'm as fed up with republican base as I am with the socialists and communists who make up the democrat base. Where is someone who represents the 60% of us who don't go for either extreme?
Maybe Jeb or Rubio will run as a 3rd party and you can have your #cuckservative to vote for.
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Well, I have two problems with your "conservatives":

1) They can't win a general election, and
2) They're not conservative.

I'm not saying Trump or Rand Paul is the answer, but what we don't need is another boring John McCain or Mit Romney candidate. We will get one, though.
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(07-29-2015 07:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think you are sorely misinterpreting what people want.
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What people want depends on whether you are talking about the makers or the takers.

Democrats are very close to their goal of having more than half the population dependent on government. As long as they start with 47% of the vote in their pocket, republicans basically can't win. The more people not working, the more people on food stamps, the more people dependent on government, the better the democrats' chances. Their model can't last. It will blow up when we run out of other people's money, but it will keep them in power for a while until it does.

Bottom line--Republicans have to find a way to get votes in significant quantities from the 47%, from Hispanics, and from African-Americans (and to be clear, this is not implying that the latter two groups are the same as the first), or we will find out how far the takers can go in screwing the makers, until the death spiral ends.
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(07-29-2015 08:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 07:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think you are sorely misinterpreting what people want.
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What people want depends on whether you are talking about the makers or the takers.

Democrats are very close to their goal of having more than half the population dependent on government. As long as they start with 47% of the vote in their pocket, republicans basically can't win. The more people not working, the more people on food stamps, the more people dependent on government, the better the democrats' chances. Their model can't last. It will blow up when we run out of other people's money, but it will keep them in power for a while until it does.

Bottom line--Republicans have to find a way to get votes in significant quantities from the 47%, from Hispanics, and from African-Americans (and to be clear, this is not implying that the latter two groups are the same as the first), or we will find out how far the takers can go in screwing the makers, until the death spiral ends.

You're better than that owl. You and I both know that people on government assistance typically don't vote.
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(07-29-2015 09:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 08:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 07:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think you are sorely misinterpreting what people want.
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What people want depends on whether you are talking about the makers or the takers.

Democrats are very close to their goal of having more than half the population dependent on government. As long as they start with 47% of the vote in their pocket, republicans basically can't win. The more people not working, the more people on food stamps, the more people dependent on government, the better the democrats' chances. Their model can't last. It will blow up when we run out of other people's money, but it will keep them in power for a while until it does.

Bottom line--Republicans have to find a way to get votes in significant quantities from the 47%, from Hispanics, and from African-Americans (and to be clear, this is not implying that the latter two groups are the same as the first), or we will find out how far the takers can go in screwing the makers, until the death spiral ends.

You're better than that owl. You and I both know that people on government assistance typically don't vote.

I challenge that assertion. I think they are rounded up in buses on election day and handed a marked-up ballot on the way to the polls. By ACORN and groups like that.
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Meanwhile, to prep for the Democrat debates Hillary is practicing how to respond without answering when she gets asked what her favorite flavor of ice cream is. 03-cloud9
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(07-29-2015 09:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You're better than that owl. You and I both know that people on government assistance typically don't vote.

What's this, "You're better than that owl," BS?

No, I don't know that people on government assistance typically don't vote. Do you have a source for that?

They may--or may not--vote in lower numbers. But if they make up 47% and if they vote 1/3 less frequently than others, then that's pretty much a 30% voting bloc. And when you have to win the other 70% by a 51-19 margin, that's a pretty steep hill to climb.
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The 47% also includes all sorts of people you wouldn't typically characterize as 'takers', like those recieving money from systems they've paid into. Correct?
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(07-29-2015 12:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  The 47% also includes all sorts of people you wouldn't typically characterize as 'takers', like those recieving money from systems they've paid into. Correct?

Sure. But that's the number that's been bandied about, and I was intending that as a quote of what others said.

Regardless of the number, there's a large--and growing--number of those who are dependent on government. We have what, 50 million on food stamps now? How many on other programs? 50 million is approaching 20%, and that's a huge bloc. You've got to win everybody else by a 51-29 margin to win. That's a pretty difficult task. What did LBJ say, we'll have those n*****s voting democrat for hundreds of years. Obviously that was racist, and just as obviously it's not a racist thing in real life--there are plenty of Hispanics, whites, and many other races/ethnicities on the dole.

I find it interesting that it's seems to be the lefties who have taken such offense here. My comments are actually meant more as an attack on republicans. They are who I'm really pissed off at about this. They've got this going on and they can't come up with something better? Really? I'm not really as pissed off at, or about, the democrats--they're doing something and it's working, so why should they change? If I were a democrat, I'd want to keep them dumb, poor, and voting democrat too.
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Where do we find the actual numbers for how many people are on food stamps? And also the number of people who didn't pay any income taxes?
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(07-29-2015 11:26 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  Meanwhile, to prep for the Democrat debates Hillary is practicing how to respond without answering when she gets asked what her favorite flavor of ice cream is. 03-cloud9

Madam Secretary will prepare by taking batting practice. Slow pitch softball.
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(07-29-2015 01:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-29-2015 12:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  The 47% also includes all sorts of people you wouldn't typically characterize as 'takers', like those recieving money from systems they've paid into. Correct?

Sure. But that's the number that's been bandied about, and I was intending that as a quote of what others said.

Regardless of the number, there's a large--and growing--number of those who are dependent on government. We have what, 50 million on food stamps now? How many on other programs? 50 million is approaching 20%, and that's a huge bloc. You've got to win everybody else by a 51-29 margin to win. That's a pretty difficult task. What did LBJ say, we'll have those n*****s voting democrat for hundreds of years. Obviously that was racist, and just as obviously it's not a racist thing in real life--there are plenty of Hispanics, whites, and many other races/ethnicities on the dole.

I find it interesting that it's seems to be the lefties who have taken such offense here. My comments are actually meant more as an attack on republicans. They are who I'm really pissed off at about this. They've got this going on and they can't come up with something better? Really? I'm not really as pissed off at, or about, the democrats--they're doing something and it's working, so why should they change? If I were a democrat, I'd want to keep them dumb, poor, and voting democrat too.

Of course there is a large and growing population of those dependent on the government, we've got an aging population, with the average age of death higher than it's ever been historically. You'd expect that the population of those receiving benefits from the government, mostly those who have paid into the systems they're receiving from.

As for your comment about the democrats wanting to keep people dumb, poor and voting democrat, I think you're way off base there and you probably know it. There is one party that is consistently against education, and it's not the Democrats.
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(07-29-2015 05:51 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Of course there is a large and growing population of those dependent on the government, we've got an aging population, with the average age of death higher than it's ever been historically. You'd expect that the population of those receiving benefits from the government, mostly those who have paid into the systems they're receiving from.

There is also significant growth among those who are not getting back money they have paid in the system, for example food stamp recipients. As for those who are getting back money they have paid in, the largest such group is social security recipients. That program will go broke in about 20 years unless changes are made. Democrats are the ones who block changes to address the problem, and blame republicans for "destroying social security" (nothing could be further from the truth) every time they propose changes that would address the problem.

Quote:As for your comment about the democrats wanting to keep people dumb, poor and voting democrat, I think you're way off base there and you probably know it. There is one party that is consistently against education, and it's not the Democrats.

That is clearly a statement of my opinion, not fact. But I absolutely believe it to be 100% correct. I'm totally serious.

I would exclude young and idealistic liberals like you appear to be, but among the party leadership I absolutely believe it to be true. I believe very strongly that people like Reid and Pelosi and, yes, Obama know they have a captive voting block and they are not about to allow it to escape. If you disagree, then please explain why democrats have designed, implemented, and continue to defend a welfare system that produces exactly that result far, far too often. To be fair, republicans have had years to come up with something better and have failed to do so; they seem to be content with the same programs the democrats have designed, just spending less on them.

As for your party of education comment, democrats are the party of teachers' unions. To that end, they have spent ever more and more, so education spending has skyrocketed while quality by objective measures has stagnated or gone down. That is not a party of education. A party of education would have redesigned our approach to get better results for less money. A party of education would have looked at best practices worldwide to design a system that, like those in most developed countries, produces better results than ours for considerably less expense. Again to be fair, republicans have had years to do this and haven't.

So no, I don't think I'm off base with my comments at all. Not one iota.
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(07-29-2015 04:11 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Where do we find the actual numbers for how many people are on food stamps? And also the number of people who didn't pay any income taxes?

Around 40 percent pay no Federal Tax.....around 35% are on Welfare.
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