(08-02-2015 10:18 PM)WoadBlue Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  I have not heard enough of a compelling argument as to how this helps the conference.

Makes me think the next step of college football is heavyweight independents ditching conferences for their own independent football TV contracts.

Texas as 5/8ths football member would guarantee that the ACC every year would have easily the best, toughest, most TV interesting OOC slate. 5 of our 14 would play ND, and another 5 would play Texas. Every year. Those 10 games would good to great national TV audiences, which certainly would help recruiting.

And the fact is that if Texas makes that break with being the King of the southwest, it will eventually, perhaps before ND, finalize the deal and go in fully n football.

you and Texas ought to move in together. I've seen some texas games over the years and never said to myself, this texas team is the best, most interesting team to watch play football.

(08-03-2015 08:24 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:18 PM)WoadBlue Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  I have not heard enough of a compelling argument as to how this helps the conference.

Makes me think the next step of college football is heavyweight independents ditching conferences for their own independent football TV contracts.

Texas as 5/8ths football member would guarantee that the ACC every year would have easily the best, toughest, most TV interesting OOC slate. 5 of our 14 would play ND, and another 5 would play Texas. Every year. Those 10 games would good to great national TV audiences, which certainly would help recruiting.

And the fact is that if Texas makes that break with being the King of the southwest, it will eventually, perhaps before ND, finalize the deal and go in fully n football.

you and Texas ought to move in together. I've seen some texas games over the years and never said to myself, this texas team is the best, most interesting team to watch play football.

You are not the nation. Just as Dallas Cowboys games matter to national TV audiences even when they are 4-7, Texas Longhorns games matter simply because all the exotic of that 'whole other country' seems to be rolled into the game. Texas has actually been hurting itself a good deal by being King and Sole Proprietor of a southwestern league, Texas playing all the Eastern time teams in the ACC will become even bigger in terms of national TV drawing power.

If Texas makes the ND deal with the ACC, it and ND are certain to set a time table to enter together as full football members. And that is the only move the ACC can make so that its total TV revenues will equal those of the SEC and BT - not get closer but equal.

(08-02-2015 11:05 PM)RedGrad Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 09:55 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 09:48 PM)RedGrad Wrote:  Reality:

If TX wants an ND deal with the ACC they'll have it and it's good business on all fronts for the ACC to do it. Both financially and from a playoff perspective. Who cares if Notre Dame is a full member or not if not for the desire to have more opportunities to get to play them. They same said for TX. What we need as a conference is quality games. QUALITY GAMES. End of story. Those programs demand respect nationally and rightfully so. If they'll give us 5 games each annually it's all goodness because it just adds to the quality of an ACC schedule. Now for the hard part of this reality message - This is all a pipe dream.

texas didn't seem like quality game the past 3-4 years. ND has been nothing to go on about it except an occsasional season or two in the past 15 years.

allowing a partial member makes the conference look weakk. You either a full member or you are a not member at all in my view. I'd rather take a team that doesn't think it is too good to be a full member.

It's more about perception than reality. TX and ND have MASSIVE fan bases and DEEP football history. Especially ND. Getting opportunity to play those venues is nothing but good for the conference in any capacity. That would mean one of the two on your schedule nearly every year.

'Perception' is the exact word. People have the perception that SEC football is invincible and ACC football is weak, so they miss the actual facts.

The reason BT fans are pissing their pants about ND and the ACC is that they know that with ND on board, the perception of ACC begins to change, to get better. And that is a threat to the Big Ten. A major threat.

The SEC is in the same vein. That's why you see increased SEC fandom boasting about the soon to be realized 20-24 team SEC that will take what it wants from the ACC.

(08-03-2015 08:42 AM)WoadBlue Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 08:24 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:18 PM)WoadBlue Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  I have not heard enough of a compelling argument as to how this helps the conference.

Makes me think the next step of college football is heavyweight independents ditching conferences for their own independent football TV contracts.

Texas as 5/8ths football member would guarantee that the ACC every year would have easily the best, toughest, most TV interesting OOC slate. 5 of our 14 would play ND, and another 5 would play Texas. Every year. Those 10 games would good to great national TV audiences, which certainly would help recruiting.

And the fact is that if Texas makes that break with being the King of the southwest, it will eventually, perhaps before ND, finalize the deal and go in fully n football.

you and Texas ought to move in together. I've seen some texas games over the years and never said to myself, this texas team is the best, most interesting team to watch play football.

You are not the nation. Just as Dallas Cowboys games matter to national TV audiences even when they are 4-7, Texas Longhorns games matter simply because all the exotic of that 'whole other country' seems to be rolled into the game. Texas has actually been hurting itself a good deal by being King and Sole Proprietor of a southwestern league, Texas playing all the Eastern time teams in the ACC will become even bigger in terms of national TV drawing power.

If Texas makes the ND deal with the ACC, it and ND are certain to set a time table to enter together as full football members. And that is the only move the ACC can make so that its total TV revenues will equal those of the SEC and BT - not get closer but equal.

who cares what the revenues are. it is irrelevant to people not receiving the money. texas has never indiciated they are open to moving to any other conference.

(08-02-2015 04:04 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'd be much happier if it was CincyFan. Don't like Cinci. Cinncy is just all sorts of wrong. And Cinti is apparently so uncommon and old school I never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

Really? I would never expect Marge Schott to picking on my abbreviation of Cincinnati?

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Let them play five games a year in football, and find their own home for all their other sports.

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 04:04 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'd be much happier if it was CincyFan. Don't like Cinci. Cinncy is just all sorts of wrong. And Cinti is apparently so uncommon and old school I never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

Really? I would never expect Marge Schott to picking on my abbreviation of Cincinnati?

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Let them play five games a year in football, and find their own home for all their other sports.

Nah....we'll take the ND partial deal.

(08-03-2015 11:07 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 04:04 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'd be much happier if it was CincyFan. Don't like Cinci. Cinncy is just all sorts of wrong. And Cinti is apparently so uncommon and old school I never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

Really? I would never expect Marge Schott to picking on my abbreviation of Cincinnati?

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Let them play five games a year in football, and find their own home for all their other sports.

Nah....we'll take the ND partial deal.

I understand why FSU might want that, but why would the ACC? Outside of football, the Noles don't bring many eyeballs to the party (and frankly, I doubt Texas would either). Notre Dame does.

And let's be honest. FSU doesn't really want ND's deal for football, either. What you would really want is to cherry pick the few ACC teams you do want to play against. You wouldn't want to rotate equally among all 13 schools.

"Outside of football"


Nothing matters outside of football.........that is reality. The ACC needs to start to understand that.

(08-03-2015 02:12 PM)nole Wrote:  "Outside of football"


Nothing matters outside of football.........that is reality. The ACC needs to start to understand that.

Then why do you care what conference your other sports find a home in? Or if they find a home at all?

Football does matter, and FSU should be thankful for that. If it weren't for football, no major conference would want FSU. With it, one of them does. It must be especially galling to FSU fans that, despite their longstanding mediocrity in football, and despite how important football supposedly is, every other conference would choose UNC over FSU.

(08-03-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:12 PM)nole Wrote:  "Outside of football"


Nothing matters outside of football.........that is reality. The ACC needs to start to understand that.

Then why do you care what conference your other sports find a home in? Or if they find a home at all?

Football does matter, and FSU should be thankful for that. If it weren't for football, no major conference would want FSU. With it, one of them does. It must be especially galling to FSU fans that, despite their longstanding mediocrity in football, and despite how important football supposedly is, every other conference would choose UNC over FSU.

If ACC is mediocre in football than the ACC really is the next Big East.


Honestly, the ACC is the next Big East regardless of what you think FSU is.


Yup....other conferences want in NC and VA......that is why the ACC will be broken up. Only a matter of time. I am happy for NC....can't wait to see them in the B1G. Think it will work out well for them....just like it did for Maryland. It will be a huge win for UNC....and UVA.

(08-03-2015 02:45 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:12 PM)nole Wrote:  "Outside of football"


Nothing matters outside of football.........that is reality. The ACC needs to start to understand that.

Then why do you care what conference your other sports find a home in? Or if they find a home at all?

Football does matter, and FSU should be thankful for that. If it weren't for football, no major conference would want FSU. With it, one of them does. It must be especially galling to FSU fans that, despite their longstanding mediocrity in football, and despite how important football supposedly is, every other conference would choose UNC over FSU.

If ACC is mediocre in football than the ACC really is the next Big East.


Honestly, the ACC is the next Big East regardless of what you think FSU is.


Yup....other conferences want in NC and VA......that is why the ACC will be broken up. Only a matter of time. I am happy for NC....can't wait to see them in the B1G. Think it will work out well for them....just like it did for Maryland. It will be a huge win for UNC....and UVA.

For the record, I didn't say the ACC was mediocre in football. I said UNC was.

lol there is no evidence that UNC or UVA would go to another conference. given they have been in ACC since 1954, it is a good bet they stay in the conference.

(08-03-2015 02:12 PM)nole Wrote:  "Outside of football"


Nothing matters outside of football.........that is reality. The ACC needs to start to understand that.

You sound like the lowest common denominator SEC football factory simpleton.

(08-03-2015 11:46 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 11:07 AM)nole Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 04:04 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'd be much happier if it was CincyFan. Don't like Cinci. Cinncy is just all sorts of wrong. And Cinti is apparently so uncommon and old school I never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

Really? I would never expect Marge Schott to picking on my abbreviation of Cincinnati?

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Let them play five games a year in football, and find their own home for all their other sports.

Nah....we'll take the ND partial deal.

I understand why FSU might want that, but why would the ACC? Outside of football, the Noles don't bring many eyeballs to the party (and frankly, I doubt Texas would either). Notre Dame does.

And let's be honest. FSU doesn't really want ND's deal for football, either. What you would really want is to cherry pick the few ACC teams you do want to play against. You wouldn't want to rotate equally among all 13 schools.

FSU fans like this guy do not really want to play a super tough football schedule. They want FSU to be positioned to win all the time and be praised as the greatest ever. They will always complain - like the drunken sluts at their football games.

The problem with the FSU fan base is that it has 2 very distinct parts. One part is sane and reasonable. That part likes that the FSU athletics department now is overall one of the most successful in the country, like those of UNC, Dook, UVA. That part grasp the realities on the ground, including that FSU in the SEC easily could become much less than desirable. That part loves the new AD who a Notre Dame man with a Dook background and a strong relationship with fellow ND grad UNC AD Bubba Cunningham. That part of the FSU fan base has class and character and long range vision and sees value in things other than quick profit and childish boasting. The University administration is almost 100% aligned with that part of the FSU fan base.

The other part of the FSU fan base is football factory defined. It has 2 parts. One is its Southern part: like Andy Haggard. They often are so eaten up with SEC ***** envy that they would go gay to get their taste. They often are part of Prosperity Gospel groups that make them feel great about endless greed and business shenanigans and legal wranglings.

The transplanted Yankee part of FSU's football factory part of its fan base is, if that is even possible, worse than the Andy Haggard part. They are as loud and crass and stupid as the worst Maryland fans. The old line Florida fans see them as the worst sort of trash-come-into-a-little-money new FL people.

Pods and peers

9-game schedule - Play 2-3 games with your Rivals, 1-2 from your Peer Group (that is not also a Rival), and then rotate 4-6 games through the remaining 10-12 teams, with at least two games against each Peer Group - including at least one game against a non-Rival from each Peer Group.

ND: BC, SU, Pitt
BC: ND, SU, FSU
SU: ND, Pitt, BC
Pitt: ND, SU, Lou
UNC: Duke, NCSU, UVA
Duke: UNC, NCSU, WF
NCSU: UNC, Duke, WF
WF: NCSU, Duke
Lou: VT, Pitt
VT: UVA, Lou
UVA: VT, UNC
FSU: Mia, Clem
Mia: FSU, GT
Clem: FSU, GT
GT: Clem, Mia
UT: OU, KU
OU: UT, KU
KU: UT, OU

PEER GROUPS (to be debated...)
PEER 1: FSU, Clem, UT, ND, OU, Lou
PEER 2: GT, VT, Duke, BC, UNC, Mia
PEER 3: NCSU, Pitt, UVA, SU, KU, WF

This better ensures that rivalries and some regionality are preserved and that quality matchups happen more frequently. You play your rival opponents yearly and your peers in perhaps 2 out of 3 or 4 years and still end up playing everyone else at least once in about every three seasons.

Well, I can tell woadblue is just a weeeeeeee bit clueless.

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

I can understand the logic but do you think Florida St can command its own TV deal like TX and ND? Those are massive fan bases. Notre Dame has lots of fans all over the USA.

(08-02-2015 09:44 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 04:04 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'd be much happier if it was CincyFan. Don't like Cinci. Cinncy is just all sorts of wrong. And Cinti is apparently so uncommon and old school I never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

Really? I would never expect Marge Schott to picking on my abbreviation of Cincinnati?

Personal preference, yo. My dog can poop on Riverfront Stadium's turf as often as it wants.

And it did quite a few times if I remember right.

(08-03-2015 07:26 PM)RedGrad Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 07:51 AM)nole Wrote:  Want FSU to have partial ACC membership also.

Too many weak ACC football programs on the schedule and sharing of money.


Give Texas and FSU partial membership. I'm in.

I can understand the logic but do you think Florida St can command its own TV deal like TX and ND? Those are massive fan bases. Notre Dame has lots of fans all over the USA.

I know this.....NO WAY FSU can carry all the dead weight of the ACC and have the conference keep up with the revenue of the SEC and B1G.

Or more specifically, the ACC can't keep the revenue gap from growing to record levels with just FSU carrying the dead weight.


That is all I know. FSU BOT sees this coming and next summer there will be folks up in arms about it.

FSU just doesn't have a wealthy donor base and it simply can't play the football game (which takes $$$) if the revenue gap keeps growing.

FSU BOT is starting to catch on and next summer they will totally get it.

Well, fix your weak sorry basketball program! Louisville is good in basketball and football. Hence we are in the 10 most profitable and ranked 3rd in the best performing and managed schools in the NCAA. Hence, FSU's problems that you are continually complaining about appear to be caused by inferior leadership!