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(07-28-2015 12:18 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  
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(07-28-2015 10:29 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  It's an in-state school game and we have higher attendance and a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern.

And no, you don't have a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. How are you measuring this?

Appalachian State has a bigger national brand than Georgia Southern. I would argue much bigger. The win over #5 Michigan vaulted them way past Georgia Southern. Everyone still remembers that as the biggest upset in college football history.

That win lead to the discussion of their three national championships in a row (might have been two at the time). Lots of people followed them to see if they could win another one. That conversation never happened when Georgia Southern beat Florida. People remember, but it just wasn't that big of a deal.

They were what North Dakota State is now. No one ever thought of Georgia Southern in that manner. Georgia Southern won two in a row in 1999 and 2000, but it was at a time when less people cared about 1-AA football, and there was no signature win to make people say "wow".

Most people don't know Adrian Peterson played for Georgia Southern, just like most people don't know DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora played for Troy. "No way he played for Georgia Southern, look it up" is the response I get when I tell people where Peterson played.

(07-28-2015 11:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  ...last year's running the conference table and all the press and TV exposure GS got...

Running the conference table means absolutely nothing to the average fan. They don't even know who's in the Sun Belt, so why would they care. Their knowledge of the Sun Belt is about 1/10th of most of our knowledge of the MAC.

Georgia Southern hasn't gotten anymore press than Louisiana or Arkansas State or Troy has during their title runs and bowl seasons. We see press clippings and we think everyone reads them, all the time. That's just not the case.

I'm sorry, but with those two statements you have lost all credibility with me concerning FCS and Georgia Southern. We DOMINATED 1-AA when it was a much bigger deal than it is now. 4 NC's within 6 years when 1-AA games could be seen on ESPN every so often. GS was a much bigger deal in the 80's than the mid to late 90's. We were universally known as the kings of 1-AA during that original stretch.

The title game was on CBS back in the day... just saying.

But the painful truth is that right now, this instant, and given the attention span of the average fan and certainly of the media, GS is a bigger deal based on the defeat of UF and their success last year. As I stated before, that can change in one day if App beats Clemson, but right now, GS is a hotter brand than App.
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(07-28-2015 01:34 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 12:35 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Let's see if I have this straight. Georgia Southern is a bigger "national" brand in Georgia, and App State has a bigger "national" brand in North Carolina. Got it. 03-lmfao

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I don't quite understand that GS fans travel better than Apps fans. We sent to both games in ECU an average of 9-10 thousand, the former ECU AD, Terry Holland was so impressed, he started talks among the CUSA members about possibility bringing us in as a member. I guarantee for the Clemson game we will buy up every available ticket, wouldn't surprise me to see 10 thousand for that game, and even small programs such as ODU, I bet we have 5-6 thousand there. Not saying GSU fans don't travel well, or is even behind App, but, that statement which implies that the Orlando bowl would take GS over App because your fans travel so much than Apps just isn't true, we can match anyone in the conference when it comes to
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(07-28-2015 02:42 PM)moehler Wrote:  I don't quite understand that GS fans travel better than Apps fans. We sent to both games in ECU an average of 9-10 thousand, the former ECU AD, Terry Holland was so impressed, he started talks among the CUSA members about possibility bringing us in as a member. I guarantee for the Clemson game we will buy up every available ticket, wouldn't surprise me to see 10 thousand for that game, and even small programs such as ODU, I bet we have 5-6 thousand there. Not saying GSU fans don't travel well, or is even behind App, but, that statement which implies that the Orlando bowl would take GS over App because your fans travel so much than Apps just isn't true, we can match anyone in the conference when it comes to
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ODU will be a tall order. They sell out every game. It may have changed, but all seats, except the ones they have to send to opponents, are season tickets, IIRC.
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(07-28-2015 02:42 PM)moehler Wrote:  I don't quite understand that GS fans travel better than Apps fans. We sent to both games in ECU an average of 9-10 thousand, the former ECU AD, Terry Holland was so impressed, he started talks among the CUSA members about possibility bringing us in as a member. I guarantee for the Clemson game we will buy up every available ticket, wouldn't surprise me to see 10 thousand for that game, and even small programs such as ODU, I bet we have 5-6 thousand there. Not saying GSU fans don't travel well, or is even behind App, but, that statement which implies that the Orlando bowl would take GS over App because your fans travel so much than Apps just isn't true, we can match anyone in the conference when it comes to
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I would guess that it is because we have a large alumni base in florida and in savannah, and GS itself is a lot closer.

you are talking a 4.5 hour trip compared to 9 hours.
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(07-28-2015 03:06 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 02:42 PM)moehler Wrote:  I don't quite understand that GS fans travel better than Apps fans. We sent to both games in ECU an average of 9-10 thousand, the former ECU AD, Terry Holland was so impressed, he started talks among the CUSA members about possibility bringing us in as a member. I guarantee for the Clemson game we will buy up every available ticket, wouldn't surprise me to see 10 thousand for that game, and even small programs such as ODU, I bet we have 5-6 thousand there. Not saying GSU fans don't travel well, or is even behind App, but, that statement which implies that the Orlando bowl would take GS over App because your fans travel so much than Apps just isn't true, we can match anyone in the conference when it comes to
fans traveling.

I would guess that it is because we have a large alumni base in florida and in savannah, and GS itself is a lot closer.

you are talking a 4.5 hour trip compared to 9 hours.

If the game was in Richmond instead of Orlando then I'd think App would draw better. 9+ hours is long time in a car. I'm not saying Ga Southern fans travel better than App fans, but I think we'd travel better than App to Orlando.
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if your right about ODU, then it wont be App's fault if there are only a few thousand tickets allotted for our fans, if we give Clemson a good game, I bet we would send 3-4 thousand to ODU, if the tickets were available, if we have a great game, even if we lose, I bet 4-5. Remember, we have a bye week before the ODU game, our fans will have time to plan. I don't know if they can do it, but if the ODU administration is any good, they would try and bring in temporary seating.
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I doubt the 9 hour trip would deter app fans to the point where they would be significantly smaller than GSU. Apps largest alumi base is in Charlotte, a major airline hub, with only an hour and fifteen minute flight, and Greesboro, the second largest alumi base, with another great airport, is only a hour and half flight. They could actually attend the game, and fly back home that night, and being the first bowl game, I think alot of App fans would spend the money to make it to Orlando
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(07-28-2015 03:20 PM)moehler Wrote:  I doubt the 9 hour trip would deter app fans to the point where they would be significantly smaller than GSU. Apps largest alumi base is in Charlotte, a major airline hub, with only an hour and fifteen minute flight, and Greesboro, the second largest alumi base, with another great airport, is only a hour and half flight. They could actually attend the game, and fly back home that night, and being the first bowl game, I think alot of App fans would spend the money to make it to Orlando

yeah. Atlanta also has a major airport, savannah has a nice airport, and we still have a significant amount of alumni in florida. So in the bowl's perspective, I would still think they would tend to go with us over you guys. Not saying it will without a doubt happen, but it is still more logical to think we would be more likely to bring more fans since we will have a lot of fans within 4 hours driving distance.
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This is a reasonable ranking for us. I think our offensive line will be better this year as the talent level is improving. I'm expecting an improvement in Boyd,Boynton and Kwon and the only drop off being the loss of Frye at LT.

We were two awful breaks away from being undefeated and ranked going into the Navy game last year. Had we not fumbled on the goal line vs NC St we win that game. Has the refs not made the worst ever replay reversal against GT we very likely win that game. So we could have been 10-0 going into the Navy game with two ACC wins which probably gets us in the top 25.
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again, I respectfully disagree, total distance isn't that big of a deal anymore, if they can look at an App fan base and realize that 60-70 thousand are only a hour or so flight away, than I think that negates a 4 hour car ride for GS fans. I also think that other factors will play in, how well both fan bases travel during the regular season, which, looks like a wash, home attendance, which App will have an advantage, and national recognition, which, I will be the first to admit, the Michigan game will forever put us in the minds of people across the nation, hell, its gotten to the point of annoying, I still have people when I travel the country see me wearing an App shirt, and want to talk about that game, you can bet that whatever bowl game App makes it to, the promoters are going to use the Michigan win as an angle to draw up interest in the bowl game, no offense to you guys, but you don't have any kind of victory like that which could draw interest from people outside of the South East. But, I think the big thing that will decide which bowls, if any, App and GS goes to, is the head to head match up in Boone, both these teams are so close in terms of talent and fan support, whoever loses that game will probably be at a major disadvantage to the other when it comes to which bowl game they go to. If both teams, lets say, finish 8-3, but App wins the head to head against GS, I expect App would get a better bowl. If this season plays out like we think it will, that game will have huge implications concerning bowl bids
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(07-28-2015 04:15 PM)moehler Wrote:  again, I respectfully disagree, total distance isn't that big of a deal anymore, if they can look at an App fan base and realize that 60-70 thousand are only a hour or so flight away, than I think that negates a 4 hour car ride for GS fans. I also think that other factors will play in, how well both fan bases travel during the regular season, which, looks like a wash, home attendance, which App will have an advantage, and national recognition, which, I will be the first to admit, the Michigan game will forever put us in the minds of people across the nation, hell, its gotten to the point of annoying, I still have people when I travel the country see me wearing an App shirt, and want to talk about that game, you can bet that whatever bowl game App makes it to, the promoters are going to use the Michigan win as an angle to draw up interest in the bowl game, no offense to you guys, but you don't have any kind of victory like that which could draw interest from people outside of the South East. But, I think the big thing that will decide which bowls, if any, App and GS goes to, is the head to head match up in Boone, both these teams are so close in terms of talent and fan support, whoever loses that game will probably be at a major disadvantage to the other when it comes to which bowl game they go to. If both teams, lets say, finish 8-3, but App wins the head to head against GS, I expect App would get a better bowl. If this season plays out like we think it will, that game will have huge implications concerning bowl bids

01-wingedeagle The state of Georgia harbors a few GS fans. Orlando is 2 hours from my home town Valdosta Ga. Yes most of our alumni are in Atlanta and the students are in Statesboro but the likelihood that App state could travel to Orlando as well as GS at this time is unlikely at best. GS's "national brand" is significantly better in Florida than App States. Ya think...
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well, this topic has become pointless, you believe, without any concrete data to support your claims that GS will be a better draw than App, I feel the same way about App, we could sit here all day and never reach a conclusion we both could agree apon, lets just play out the season and see where we stand at the end of the day.
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Luckily the guy running the cure bowl came to the ga v app game last season.
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(07-28-2015 05:17 PM)moehler Wrote:  well, this topic has become pointless, you believe, without any concrete data to support your claims that GS will be a better draw than App, I feel the same way about App, we could sit here all day and never reach a conclusion we both could agree apon, lets just play out the season and see where we stand at the end of the day.

This is up there with the most ridiculous "arguments" ever conceived. App. State and Georgia Southern are regional universities. App. St. has an athletic presence in the southeast dating back nearly 100 years.

The two schools met in the playoffs in 1987 and App won 19-0. We didn't know then, but in 1993 (GS first in the SoCon) we began a rivalry that stands at 13-11 in App's favor with a nearly balanced home field advantage - App home (9-3) GS home (8-4).

Interestingly, GS considered Furman it's biggest rival until the 20 oh's when App "got over the hump" and won some championships. Texas St. was a catalyst in this because GS second consecutive 1st round playoff loss led to the firing of Mike Sewak and a turn away from our Erk Russell-Paul Johnson offensive identity. Sewak compiled records of 11-3, 7-4, 9-3, 8-4 with 2 conference titles and three playoff appearances. Good enough to stay forever at most schools, but National Championships were expected at GS. Armanti Edwards changed from GS to App St and our rivalry really heated up as App experienced incredible growth and alumni investment along with their success while GS spiraled down into irrelevance. The rivalry has nice bookends with App fans ready to fire Jerry Moore in 2004 following a 6-5 season and a beating in Statesboro 54-7.

App won NC '05, '06, '07 and ended our departure from our identity with a 52-16 beating in Boone. In 2010, Jeff Monken restored us with the catalyst being victory over #1 App St who was undefeated while we were 4-4. GS won 6 straight before losing in Delaware in the semi-finals.

And here we are. Hate with respect and feeding off each other to grow and succeed. I hope 20 years from now the series is 22-22 and the whole nation can enjoy our great rivalry.
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(07-28-2015 06:20 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 05:17 PM)moehler Wrote:  well, this topic has become pointless, you believe, without any concrete data to support your claims that GS will be a better draw than App, I feel the same way about App, we could sit here all day and never reach a conclusion we both could agree apon, lets just play out the season and see where we stand at the end of the day.

This is up there with the most ridiculous "arguments" ever conceived. App. State and Georgia Southern are regional universities. App. St. has an athletic presence in the southeast dating back nearly 100 years.

The two schools met in the playoffs in 1987 and App won 19-0. We didn't know then, but in 1993 (GS first in the SoCon) we began a rivalry that stands at 13-11 in App's favor with a nearly balanced home field advantage - App home (9-3) GS home (8-4).

Interestingly, GS considered Furman it's biggest rival until the 20 oh's when App "got over the hump" and won some championships. Texas St. was a catalyst in this because GS second consecutive 1st round playoff loss led to the firing of Mike Sewak and a turn away from our Erk Russell-Paul Johnson offensive identity. Sewak compiled records of 11-3, 7-4, 9-3, 8-4 with 2 conference titles and three playoff appearances. Good enough to stay forever at most schools, but National Championships were expected at GS. Armanti Edwards changed from GS to App St and our rivalry really heated up as App experienced incredible growth and alumni investment along with their success while GS spiraled down into irrelevance. The rivalry has nice bookends with App fans ready to fire Jerry Moore in 2004 following a 6-5 season and a beating in Statesboro 54-7.

App won NC '05, '06, '07 and ended our departure from our identity with a 52-16 beating in Boone. In 2010, Jeff Monken restored us with the catalyst being victory over #1 App St who was undefeated while we were 4-4. GS won 6 straight before losing in Delaware in the semi-finals.

And here we are. Hate with respect and feeding off each other to grow and succeed. I hope 20 years from now the series is 22-22 and the whole nation can enjoy our great rivalry.

Wut? Have you no soul? Repeat after me 500 times. Hail Southern... Me for reading such blasphemy.
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Half of Florida moves to Boone for the summer. Maybe our "National" brand isn't as unknown in the Sunshine State as one would think. 03-nerner
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(07-28-2015 06:06 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  Luckily the guy running the cure bowl came to the ga v app game last season.

And saw <25k 03-yawn
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We have a better "national brand" in Orlando it seems......

Would be a nice trip, Disney at Christmas! Atlanta is closer though..... Access Bowl or Cure Bowl. Can we do both? :=)
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