(07-29-2015 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is a lot of the affiliates put these games on subchannels which some cable systems/satellite don't pick up. Also games on those sub channels even if picked up sometimes aren't even in HD.

Also- they are split national games. Just looking as an example- on Sept 26- 330pm you have App St/ODU, Rhode Island/Maine, and SF Austin/Abilene Christian all at the same time. So the App St/ODU game won't be available for 94 million homes at all.

so when you say subchannel you are referring to the quality of the signal not sure though what this has to do with a cable/satellite carrier not carrying the feed. I mean I can't imagine one of the carriers not having the CW or MyNetwork in their most basic package. Are you referrring to more obscure networks?

As far as the split of market is concerned, all the big networks do this; right? Even the NFL divides up the market based on fan interest, so this is not an exclusive issue to ASN. Hopefully more non-local affiliates choose to pick up the C-USA games rather than an equally distant FCS one. If we grab 70-80% of the non New England or SW affiliates (given your Sept. 26th example) then that's still a healthy sum of the potential available.

(07-29-2015 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is a lot of the affiliates put these games on subchannels which some cable systems/satellite don't pick up. Also games on those sub channels even if picked up sometimes aren't even in HD.

Also- they are split national games. Just looking as an example- on Sept 26- 330pm you have App St/ODU, Rhode Island/Maine, and SF Austin/Abilene Christian all at the same time. So the App St/ODU game won't be available for 94 million homes at all.

so when you say subchannel you are referring to the quality of the signal not sure though what this has to do with a cable/satellite carrier not carrying the feed. I mean I can't imagine one of the carriers not having the CW or MyNetwork in their most basic package. Are you referrring to more obscure networks?

As far as the split of market is concerned, all the big networks do this; right? Even the NFL divides up the market based on fan interest, so this is not an exclusive issue to ASN. Hopefully more non-local affiliates choose to pick up the C-USA games rather than an equally distant FCS one. If we grab 70-80% of the non New England or SW affiliates (given your Sept. 26th example) then that's still a healthy sum of the potential available.

I know direct tv doesn't do sub-channels... In some places the game isn't even on CW or MyNetwork....

As far as split market- in college football- this is happening less and less now. That's been probably the biggest change in the last 10 years.

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

(07-29-2015 10:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

A subchannel is like the B station. In the Charleston-Huntington area Sinclair owns WVAH(FOX)channel 12 and WCHS(ABC)channel 7. Those two stations have subchannels 12.2 and 7.2. To access the subchannels you have to have a digital cable box or access them through an antenna.
Suddenlink actually added those subchannels to the regular cable channels if you have the digital cable box (which most people do) so they are very easy to access.

The only way you wouldn't get the channel is if you have cable but no box, meaning it just goes from the cable straight to the TV.

(07-29-2015 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is a lot of the affiliates put these games on subchannels which some cable systems/satellite don't pick up. Also games on those sub channels even if picked up sometimes aren't even in HD.

Also- they are split national games. Just looking as an example- on Sept 26- 330pm you have App St/ODU, Rhode Island/Maine, and SF Austin/Abilene Christian all at the same time. So the App St/ODU game won't be available for 94 million homes at all.

so when you say subchannel you are referring to the quality of the signal not sure though what this has to do with a cable/satellite carrier not carrying the feed. I mean I can't imagine one of the carriers not having the CW or MyNetwork in their most basic package. Are you referrring to more obscure networks?

As far as the split of market is concerned, all the big networks do this; right? Even the NFL divides up the market based on fan interest, so this is not an exclusive issue to ASN. Hopefully more non-local affiliates choose to pick up the C-USA games rather than an equally distant FCS one. If we grab 70-80% of the non New England or SW affiliates (given your Sept. 26th example) then that's still a healthy sum of the potential available.

Since the digital transition stations have the ability to split their signal.

Here in Little Rock our NBC, Fox, and CW affiliates don't split so all you get on 4.1, 16.1, 38.1 is network and the local programming.

Our ABC affiliate splits into 7.1 ABC and local 7.2 shows programs from the Retro Network 7.3 has programming from GRIT

Our CBS affiliate splits into 11.1 CBS, 11.2 Weather Nation 11.3 Justice

Our PBS affiliate splits into 2.1 PBS 2.2 (splits between PBS Kids and Create), 2.3 World Channel 2.4 Arkansas Reading Services for the Blind (audio only).

The MY TV affiliate is 42.1 MYTV 42.2 Bounce

We have one religious station that splits into three different religious networks (27.1 27.2 27.3) AND has audio from various religious radio networks on four more subchannels (27.4, 27.5, 27.6, 27.7)

Dish and Direct and most cable systems serving the area only carry X.1 not the .2 and .3 channels.

You have to use an antenna to get the .2 and .3 subchannels.

(07-29-2015 10:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

Neither is a subchannel.

They are companies owned by the other the companies and are subsidiaries but that has nothing to do with their channel placement.

(07-29-2015 11:15 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

Neither is a subchannel.
They are companies owned by the other the companies and are subsidiaries but that has nothing to do with their channel placement.

Whew. It's more complicated than I thought. So how do you know that ASN is being picked up on an ABC sub (Retro and GRIT) and not the CW? I thought Sinclair's relationship for its ASN network was with the CW and My Network.

(07-28-2015 01:05 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  So ASN is basically what SEC+ was before the SEC Network launched? I could get 1 SEC football game every weekend on some random local channel that had no network affiliation (channel 39 or 52 in Dallas I think)?

I think I may have watched an A&M game on whatever channel was broadcasting the SEC+ that weekend in 2012 or 2013 once. Pretty sure I haven't watched whichever actual channel it was on since then, and would have no idea if it the same channel was 'ASN' at some random time during the month.

Long story short: If you're not a channel, you're not a channel. You aren't in any homes. The ASN is in 94 million homes LESS than what in indicated in the title of this thread.

No offense meant to the ASN, I'm sure it's probably making some money. But its not a real network. It may claim to be on my tv (I have UVerse) but until I see a channel called ASN its not in my home, and has no right to say it is.

Not even that honestly. The game was often only found localy if a local team was involved. It's very likely someone with no ties to the conference who lives out of the area would go an entire year without running across a single game.

SEC Plus appeared on random networks, but since it was the SEC, so it was more likely to appear somewhere. CUSA had to make hey by getting word out to its fans what channel the game could be found on in various areas, and many fans out of market had no choice but to buy a sports package or whatever necessary to see the game, or be SOL.

ESPN3 has a wider potential audience no matter what claims ASN comes up with.

(07-29-2015 11:39 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 11:15 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

Neither is a subchannel.
They are companies owned by the other the companies and are subsidiaries but that has nothing to do with their channel placement.

Whew. It's more complicated than I thought. So how do you know that ASN is being picked up on an ABC sub (Retro and GRIT) and not the CW? I thought Sinclair's relationship for its ASN network was with the CW and My Network.

Sinclair's ASN Network is aired on Sinclair owned channels. They can be on CBS, NBC, FOX, WCHS, MyNetwork, or the CW depending on the market.

Last year WVAH (FOX) preempted the Oregon/Michigan State game for the Marshall/Rhode Island game. People who didn't care about the Marshall game weren't happy.

(07-29-2015 11:13 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is a lot of the affiliates put these games on subchannels which some cable systems/satellite don't pick up. Also games on those sub channels even if picked up sometimes aren't even in HD.

Also- they are split national games. Just looking as an example- on Sept 26- 330pm you have App St/ODU, Rhode Island/Maine, and SF Austin/Abilene Christian all at the same time. So the App St/ODU game won't be available for 94 million homes at all.

so when you say subchannel you are referring to the quality of the signal not sure though what this has to do with a cable/satellite carrier not carrying the feed. I mean I can't imagine one of the carriers not having the CW or MyNetwork in their most basic package. Are you referrring to more obscure networks?

As far as the split of market is concerned, all the big networks do this; right? Even the NFL divides up the market based on fan interest, so this is not an exclusive issue to ASN. Hopefully more non-local affiliates choose to pick up the C-USA games rather than an equally distant FCS one. If we grab 70-80% of the non New England or SW affiliates (given your Sept. 26th example) then that's still a healthy sum of the potential available.

You have to use an antenna to get the .2 and .3 subchannels.

Suddenlink has added them to regular cable if you have a digital box. They are right inbetween basic and expanded basic tiers in HD.

(07-29-2015 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is a lot of the affiliates put these games on subchannels which some cable systems/satellite don't pick up. Also games on those sub channels even if picked up sometimes aren't even in HD.

Also- they are split national games. Just looking as an example- on Sept 26- 330pm you have App St/ODU, Rhode Island/Maine, and SF Austin/Abilene Christian all at the same time. So the App St/ODU game won't be available for 94 million homes at all.

so when you say subchannel you are referring to the quality of the signal not sure though what this has to do with a cable/satellite carrier not carrying the feed. I mean I can't imagine one of the carriers not having the CW or MyNetwork in their most basic package. Are you referrring to more obscure networks?

As far as the split of market is concerned, all the big networks do this; right? Even the NFL divides up the market based on fan interest, so this is not an exclusive issue to ASN. Hopefully more non-local affiliates choose to pick up the C-USA games rather than an equally distant FCS one. If we grab 70-80% of the non New England or SW affiliates (given your Sept. 26th example) then that's still a healthy sum of the potential available.

It's has to do with the frequency. A Channel or Frequency can carry more than simply one surpressed data file. Rather, it can contain many. Essentially, a TV station can potentially broadcast more than one program, without needing a second channel. You'll find this with many local news stations, as they advertise a 24 hour Weather channel, that literally shows nothing but local radar and forecast. (For a Channel 8, they would license it to a channel 8.2) This allows a station to run it's main programming uninterupted, but at the same time, be able to offer other programming that might carry far less interest, but could be something useful to potential viewers.

A CW affiliate or a MYTV affiliate has the potential to produce 2 programs at once. So lets say, they have a choice between showing a Superman movie, or airing FIU vs FAU...the network can air both by pushing one of the programs to it's sub channel. In most every out of market case, the CUSA game is deemed to carry less interest, and is sent to a Subchannel. (In Little Rock, CW sends it to Channel 7.2 for example because it's deemed to have little relevance to local viewers)

The only way a Sub Channel can be picked up is if a household owns a digital antenna in addition to their cable/sat service...that allows them to pick up sub channels, and they have to dial in the antenna to reach that particular sub channel.

(07-29-2015 11:39 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 11:15 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:02 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASN is on a subchannel of the local ABC affiliate in Little Rock and neither satellite provider carries the subchannel nor do most cable systems in the area.

You'll have to educate me here because I know that the CW is a CBS subchannel and MyNetworkTV is a Fox subchannel but I'm not familiar with an ABC subchannel (I guess their main one is Telemundo).

Neither is a subchannel.
They are companies owned by the other the companies and are subsidiaries but that has nothing to do with their channel placement.

Whew. It's more complicated than I thought. So how do you know that ASN is being picked up on an ABC sub (Retro and GRIT) and not the CW? I thought Sinclair's relationship for its ASN network was with the CW and My Network.

Several easy ways. The ASN website has the information and I found a game one day piddling with my indoor antenna that did a lousy job bringing in that channel (outdoor one does well). The ABC affiliate in Little Rock is owned by Sinclair. They are going to put their product on their station.

I doubt even if Sinclair had been willing to release programming to the CW or MY affiliates in Little Rock last year they probably wouldn't have taken the games. To my knowledge the only game that has involved an Arkansas team that has appeared on ASN was a game a couple weeks ago involving our local AA minor league baseball team (and I forgot to watch it).

Last year the only football they offered was Big South, CAA, CUSA, Patriot, and SoCon. Only CUSA would have been remotely of interest.

This year they add football from the Ivy (nope) OVC (nope) and Southland (yep).

The station had never promoted any ASN event on any of the three channels (other than in-game promotions by ASN) until the Travelers were selected for a telecast. If Central Arkansas is involved in selected Southland games I expect they will promote that.

Because the ASN affiliate list is like nailing Jell-O to a wall because it depends on what is being shown it gets hard to pin things down but the incomplete list on Wikipedia shows three stations in Tennessse. In Jackson and Nashville games are on 39.1 and 30.1 respectively. That means in those two markets ASN games should be super easy to watch. In Knoxville 6.2 so no satellite and cable depends on the local companies.

Personally I'd enjoy it if some ASN content ran on 7.1 because right now in the early slot they show ACC games that are lower down the selection order and often not as entertaining as the game selected for ASN in that slot, but ASN will be stuck on 7.2 unless there is enough viewer and advertiser demand to push some of the UCA games over to 7.1

Got it. Sinclair owns the ABC affiliate in LR. That makes sense, now ASN just needs a game of local interest in order to be willing to run it.

Chiefsfan makes a point I had forgotten. KAIT in Jonesboro carries ABC programming on 8.1 and recently picked up the rights to show NBC programming on 8.2 and I think moved weather to 8.3

Someone at Raycom (owner of the station) is freaking smart because of the way the regulations and contracts apply to carrying out-of-market programming, by law Direct TV who was using WPSD out of Paducah, KY as an out-of-market NBC as the "local" in the counties in the Jonesboro TV market, Direct had to drop WPSD and pick up KAIT 8.2 as the NBC because they held the exclusive right to show NBC in the market. Forced Direct to dump them and pick up 8.2, it also forced all cable systems in the Jonesboro market to pick up KAIT 8.2 because they had to blackout NBC programming on the Memphis or Little Rock stations they were carrying. A low power station also went on the air just outside Jonesboro and signed on with Fox. Forced everyone to dump Memphis or LR Fox stations and carry them instead.

But as general rule the FCC must carry rules do not apply to low power stations nor subchannels. But if you affiliate with a network and hold the exclusive right to the programming, they have to come to you.

(07-29-2015 01:20 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Got it. Sinclair owns the ABC affiliate in LR. That makes sense, now ASN just needs a game of local interest in order to be willing to run it.

Well the games are on. I've watched CUSA and CAA games. It's just not on a channel many people easily get.

If AState were in CUSA, they might flip AState games to 7.1 but the rest would stay 7.2

(07-29-2015 01:20 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Got it. Sinclair owns the ABC affiliate in LR. That makes sense, now ASN just needs a game of local interest in order to be willing to run it.

Just for fun some day, since you list living in Coral Gables you ought to try a cheap indoor antenna attached to your TV, with subchannels you may have 30 or so channels you can watch. I will warn you, don't watch sports via antenna on a station broadcasting in 1080p. You won't notice at first but if you switch back to satellite or cable you will see a notable difference in picture quality because of the compression satellite and cable use to get the picture to you.

Drives my wife bonkers during Sunday Night football because I usually watch via antenna and she wants me to rerun big plays, but I showed her the difference in picture and she opts for the better picture. Hell it's her fault we bought an HDTV. She missed our second GoDaddy Bowl working in North Carolina and finally sat and watched a game in HDTV and insisted we buy one

Still think it's good for CUSA. I've been looking for min/max guarantees since expansion. This is the first article to specify a max number (48). Since realignment, FOX has opted for the min requirement (as opposed to picking up more as before)...CBS obviously renegotiated downward as well.

(07-29-2015 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Just for fun some day, since you list living in Coral Gables you ought to try a cheap indoor antenna attached to your TV, with subchannels you may have 30 or so channels you can watch. I will warn you, don't watch sports via antenna on a station broadcasting in 1080p. You won't notice at first but if you switch back to satellite or cable you will see a notable difference in picture quality because of the compression satellite and cable use to get the picture to you.

Drives my wife bonkers during Sunday Night football because I usually watch via antenna and she wants me to rerun big plays, but I showed her the difference in picture and she opts for the better picture. Hell it's her fault we bought an HDTV. She missed our second GoDaddy Bowl working in North Carolina and finally sat and watched a game in HDTV and insisted we buy one

Your saying an antenna will give you a better HD signal than the compressed values from cable and satellite; well isn't that ironic. But with my new fangled HD t.v. set (70" Sony that I sit 3' away from, with scores of HD channels), I wouldn't even know how to attach a set of rabbit ears. LOL.

(07-29-2015 02:06 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Still think it's good for CUSA. I've been looking for min/max guarantees since expansion. This is the first article to specify a max number (48). Since realignment, FOX has opted for the min requirement (as opposed to picking up more as before)...CBS obviously renegotiated downward as well.

It is good for all college football fans...I got to watch a game with ODU hosting...it was actually a good watch for a fan of college FB.

(07-29-2015 04:48 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Just for fun some day, since you list living in Coral Gables you ought to try a cheap indoor antenna attached to your TV, with subchannels you may have 30 or so channels you can watch. I will warn you, don't watch sports via antenna on a station broadcasting in 1080p. You won't notice at first but if you switch back to satellite or cable you will see a notable difference in picture quality because of the compression satellite and cable use to get the picture to you.

Drives my wife bonkers during Sunday Night football because I usually watch via antenna and she wants me to rerun big plays, but I showed her the difference in picture and she opts for the better picture. Hell it's her fault we bought an HDTV. She missed our second GoDaddy Bowl working in North Carolina and finally sat and watched a game in HDTV and insisted we buy one

Your saying an antenna will give you a better HD signal than the compressed values from cable and satellite; well isn't that ironic. But with my new fangled HD t.v. set (70" Sony that I sit 3' away from, with scores of HD channels), I wouldn't even know how to attach a set of rabbit ears. LOL.

YES!!! I have this antenna up at my summer home. I can pull in channels crystal clear from 90 miles away. Note: The signal is going over water (Lake Ontario) for a good portion of the distance.

Solid Signal

Sign up for the linked websites daily deals. You need to mount it outside with a clear line of sight to the broadcast towers you want to receive. This antenna is about the size of a large pizza box and weighs about 4 lbs. I recommend a rotor and a pre-amp signal booster. Run the shortest length of high quality coaxial as possible. Don't forget to ground the antenna.

It is possible with a antenna, Internet, Roku and Sling TV to pretty much watch everything but the RSN's.