What a load of ****

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/01/11...nny-state/

I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one is pro abortion.

This is why I never (well, almost never) participate in political discussions anymore. When there's no agreement or common understanding about what words mean, how can any productive debate occur?

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant pro-choice. Which is exactly the same thing as pro-abortion.

(07-26-2015 12:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant pro-choice. Which is exactly the same thing as pro-abortion.

Wrong, pro-choice is when you call to arrange for an abortion, you are given the choice of a morning or afternoon appointment.

(07-26-2015 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant pro-choice. Which is exactly the same thing as pro-abortion.

Wrong, pro-choice is when you call to arrange for an abortion, you are given the choice of a morning or afternoon appointment.

HEY-OH!!

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

Not surprised. It is a fairly sophisticated position.

In its simplest form, Republicans believe that if a child is not aborted it has a chance to live a useful and successful life. We also believe that the nanny state does more harm than good when it comes to adults learning to be self sufficient and capable of achievement. The nanny state leads to dependency.

Hope that helps.

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Yes, the baby killers have moved beyond "abortion" now. The correct term is "pro-infanticide plus selling of baby parts in exchange for a Lamborghini."

(07-26-2015 01:07 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

Not surprised. It is a fairly sophisticated position.

In its simplest form, Republicans believe that if a child is not aborted it has a chance to live a useful and successful life. We also believe that the nanny state does more harm than good when it comes to adults learning to be self sufficient and capable of achievement. The nanny state leads to dependency.

Hope that helps.

How does a child have a useful and successful life when it is unwanted by the mother and republicans don't want the government to step in and help?

(07-26-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:07 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

Not surprised. It is a fairly sophisticated position.

In its simplest form, Republicans believe that if a child is not aborted it has a chance to live a useful and successful life. We also believe that the nanny state does more harm than good when it comes to adults learning to be self sufficient and capable of achievement. The nanny state leads to dependency.

Hope that helps.

How does a child have a useful and successful life when it is unwanted by the mother and republicans don't want the government to step in and help?

Adoption by a Republican family.

Oh, and as an aside, your post is implying that abortion is now an acceptable form of birth control. Cool.

(07-26-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:07 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

Not surprised. It is a fairly sophisticated position.

In its simplest form, Republicans believe that if a child is not aborted it has a chance to live a useful and successful life. We also believe that the nanny state does more harm than good when it comes to adults learning to be self sufficient and capable of achievement. The nanny state leads to dependency.

Hope that helps.

How does a child have a useful and successful life when it is unwanted by the mother and republicans don't want the government to step in and help?

There is a waiting of couples who want to adopt. Many have to go to agencies abroad to adopt because it takes so long here. The demand is much higher than the supply.

(07-26-2015 01:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is a waiting of couples who want to adopt. Many have to go to agencies abroad to adopt because it takes so long here. The demand is much higher than the supply.

Adoption is a truly amazing process if viewed in economic terms. You have excess supply, excess demand, and minimal transactions. I have thought for a long time that the pro-life crowd would achieve a lot more if they would focus their still substantial political muscle on the issue of making adoption a more common and straightforward process. There is no need for one child to be living in a foster home so long as there are willing adoptive parents still waiting for a child.

Of course, this approach would almost certainly require acceptance of same-sex couples as adoptive parents. To those who oppose that, I have a simple question--would the child be better off being aborted?

(07-26-2015 01:58 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is a waiting of couples who want to adopt. Many have to go to agencies abroad to adopt because it takes so long here. The demand is much higher than the supply.

Adoption is a truly amazing process if viewed in economic terms. You have excess supply, excess demand, and minimal transactions. I have thought for a long time that the pro-life crowd would achieve a lot more if they would focus their still substantial political muscle on the issue of making adoption a more common and straightforward process. There is no need for one child to be living in a foster home so long as there are willing adoptive parents still waiting for a child.

Of course, this approach would almost certainly require acceptance of same-sex couples as adoptive parents. To those who oppose that, I have a simple question--would the child be better off being aborted?

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Honestly, I looked it up once and did see that there was an actual pro-abortion message board. There weren't many posts but there were a few.

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one is pro abortion.

Like hell they aren't.

There's a sizable number of nutcases on the "pro-choice" side who are clearly pro-abortion. "Pro-choice" is really a misnomer to the extent that it includes a lot of people who don't favor choice on any issue but abortion. For example, school choice? No. I would argue that beyond the fringe nutcases, anyone that favors choice only when the issue is abortion should properly be called pro-sbortion and not "pro-choice."

(07-26-2015 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never understood how republicans can be pro life and anti nanny state at the same time.

I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant pro-choice. Which is exactly the same thing as pro-abortion.

Wrong, pro-choice is when you call to arrange for an abortion, you are given the choice of a morning or afternoon appointment.

Stupid post but not surprising from you. Most people that are pro-choice believe it is up to a woman/couple to decide and not the the government. These people may also not ever consider having abortions.

Oh, so the government is only good when it rules for the Liberal viewpoint, like gay marriage. Hmm, interesting. Oh, by the way Robbie you're a hater for insulting Defconn. How would you like it if he called you gay slurs?

(07-26-2015 05:27 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:03 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 12:44 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I've never understood how democrats can be anti-death penalty and pro-abortion at the same time.

No one is pro abortion.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant pro-choice. Which is exactly the same thing as pro-abortion.

Wrong, pro-choice is when you call to arrange for an abortion, you are given the choice of a morning or afternoon appointment.

Stupid post but not surprising from you. Most people that are pro-choice believe it is up to a woman/couple to decide and not the the government. These people may also not ever consider having abortions.

Epically stupid response, but not surprising coming from a self-admitted troll such as yourself. Most people who're pro-choice are pro-abortion.