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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 07:42 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I'm not convinced that the lateral movement would be necessary.

Fox and ESPN will have to agree with certain moves. It's inevitable that Fox will ask for something to replace a lost property while ESPN does the same. Thus the lateral movement I wrote about. 04-cheers
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 07:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they are moving towards 4 Super-Conferences and those will each have 20 teams, then 4 x 20 = 80. There are currently 66 P5 Schools not including Army. That means there would be 14 Schools on deck. Just saying. 05-stirthepot

What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 07:46 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:42 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I'm not convinced that the lateral movement would be necessary.

Fox and ESPN will have to agree with certain moves. It's inevitable that Fox will ask for something to replace a lost property while ESPN does the same. Thus the lateral movement I wrote about. 04-cheers

Four conferences. Four Conference Networks. Split it between 'em, and in doing so you'd also boost the PAC Network. Done deal. 07-coffee3
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they are moving towards 4 Super-Conferences and those will each have 20 teams, then 4 x 20 = 80. There are currently 66 P5 Schools not including Army. That means there would be 14 Schools on deck. Just saying. 05-stirthepot

What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they are moving towards 4 Super-Conferences and those will each have 20 teams, then 4 x 20 = 80. There are currently 66 P5 Schools not including Army. That means there would be 14 Schools on deck. Just saying. 05-stirthepot

What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they are moving towards 4 Super-Conferences and those will each have 20 teams, then 4 x 20 = 80. There are currently 66 P5 Schools not including Army. That means there would be 14 Schools on deck. Just saying. 05-stirthepot

What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?

Sorry but, they don't pull the numbers here that they did prior to USF getting a Football program. 05-mafia

The same can be said for Orlando and UCF. 07-coffee3
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 09:11 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they are moving towards 4 Super-Conferences and those will each have 20 teams, then 4 x 20 = 80. There are currently 66 P5 Schools not including Army. That means there would be 14 Schools on deck. Just saying. 05-stirthepot

What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?

Sorry but, they don't pull the numbers here that they did prior to USF getting a Football program. 05-mafia

The same can be said for Orlando and UCF. 07-coffee3

I'm not sure UF and FSU fans would agree. At least, they'd argue that USF and UCF don't need to be included in the power conferences.
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 10:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:11 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?

Sorry but, they don't pull the numbers here that they did prior to USF getting a Football program. 05-mafia

The same can be said for Orlando and UCF. 07-coffee3

I'm not sure UF and FSU fans would agree. At least, they'd argue that USF and UCF don't need to be included in the power conferences.

And that is the biggest obstacle to them getting the call up. The only way I can see in my #TeamMegaconference scenario that gets them called up is that Notre Dame demands Pitt in the B1G as a condition of entrance ... and so Pitt doesn't end up with the Southern teams. That means one more team has to be brought in out of a pool of: Iowa State, UCF, USF, Tulane, ECU, Maryland, Cincinnati, SMU, and Houston. Iowa State isn't really a cultural fit IMO. Tulane would have to fight off LSU and whoever LSU can get on its side. ECU is a straight away no with the NC 4 voting against them. Maryland burned too many bridges. Cincinnati would be viable but a downgrade. Houston and SMU is a straight away no with the TX 5 voting against them. UCF and USF would have to fight off UF/FSU/Miami votes and whoever they can get on their side. Cincinnati and Iowa State would have the easiest road in. I would see Tulane and UCF has having the least uphill battle amongst the rest.
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 10:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:11 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What's wrong with 4 x 16, plus independents Notre Dame and Texas?

That would work fine, too.

That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?

Sorry but, they don't pull the numbers here that they did prior to USF getting a Football program. 05-mafia

The same can be said for Orlando and UCF. 07-coffee3

I'm not sure UF and FSU fans would agree. At least, they'd argue that USF and UCF don't need to be included in the power conferences.


I think UCF replaced Miami for number 3 spot. Orlando would be a great vaction sport for P5 school's fans to visit. Watch a game, and visit the attractions there.
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I'm not sure Cincinnati would be all that significant of a downgrade from Pitt, but I digress.
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RE: There's not enough money for five "top" P5 conferences
(07-27-2015 10:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 10:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:11 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 09:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  That is the number you have now between the five conferences. The problem is there are other markets of interest and large fan bases not represented. That's money on the table. Never leave money on the table. 05-nono

There will be 4 Conference networks as well and once that's done, they will all want an equal distribution. FOX and ESPN will have to work together to arrange so that neither gets shafted.

You also don't want one to become far superior to the rest. Two top dogs are better then one. You can create animosity between fan bases and rivalries but, they take time to develop even with two equally apposing factions. Having one top dog will crush interest quickly. There's no reason to watch when you know who's going to win.

Won't Tampa's money on the table already be well represented by Florida, Florida St and Miami?

Sorry but, they don't pull the numbers here that they did prior to USF getting a Football program. 05-mafia

The same can be said for Orlando and UCF. 07-coffee3

I'm not sure UF and FSU fans would agree. At least, they'd argue that USF and UCF don't need to be included in the power conferences.

And that is the biggest obstacle to them getting the call up. The only way I can see in my #TeamMegaconference scenario that gets them called up is that Notre Dame demands Pitt in the B1G as a condition of entrance ... and so Pitt doesn't end up with the Southern teams. That means one more team has to be brought in out of a pool of: Iowa State, UCF, USF, Tulane, ECU, Maryland, Cincinnati, SMU, and Houston. Iowa State isn't really a cultural fit IMO. Tulane would have to fight off LSU and whoever LSU can get on its side. ECU is a straight away no with the NC 4 voting against them. Maryland burned too many bridges. Cincinnati would be viable but a downgrade. Houston and SMU is a straight away no with the TX 5 voting against them. UCF and USF would have to fight off UF/FSU/Miami votes and whoever they can get on their side. Cincinnati and Iowa State would have the easiest road in. I would see Tulane and UCF has having the least uphill battle amongst the rest.

It's crazy to think how the tables have turned on USF, since they days when they were included in the Big East while UCF languished in the CUSA.

I think there was even a short time in the 2000's when USF was ranked #1. It's probably been a steady downhill since that moment...
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I'm sorry but, I'm thinking that the networks would do their do diligence when it comes to vetting who's in and who's out. In the end, I'm betting the networks don't take a schools word for what will or will not make them money. I'm betting the networks will assess every possible school and combination to make the most money possible. So you're saying Florida, FSU and Miami wouldn't want USF and UCF in a conference means very little. They may not be placed in their conference but, if they make money they will have a spot somewhere.

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(07-28-2015 07:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's crazy to think how the tables have turned on USF, since they days when they were included in the Big East while UCF languished in the CUSA.

I think there was even a short time in the 2000's when USF was ranked #1. It's probably been a steady downhill since that moment...
I think there was one or two weeks in mid-October (2008?) when USF was ranked #3, but I don't remember them ever being ranked #1. Again, I think that was 2008 but it could've been '07 or '09.

I would still argue that for a program that had no football team of any kind 20 years ago, and was an FCS-level team 15 years ago, being in the AAC is a solid deal. Lots of programs wish they had the "problems" the AAC's members have.
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(07-28-2015 04:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 07:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's crazy to think how the tables have turned on USF, since they days when they were included in the Big East while UCF languished in the CUSA.

I think there was even a short time in the 2000's when USF was ranked #1. It's probably been a steady downhill since that moment...
I think there was one or two weeks in mid-October (2008?) when USF was ranked #3, but I don't remember them ever being ranked #1. Again, I think that was 2008 but it could've been '07 or '09.

I would still argue that for a program that had no football team of any kind 20 years ago, and was an FCS-level team 15 years ago, being in the AAC is a solid deal. Lots of programs wish they had the "problems" the AAC's members have.

I thought they were #1. Weren't they on a magazine cover, because of it? Maybe it was preseason #1? I don't remember. I guess that's sad, if it was only in 2008. Ha!

Of course, you are right. But to go from top 5 and in a BCS auto-bid conference to being no where near the top 25 (perhaps the top 50?) and being in the G5 ... it would seem like a blow.
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