(07-26-2015 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I pity you guys. You've set yourselves up for such a bitter disappointment when this stuff turns out some other way than the Big 10 is Uber and will get everything it wants.

Reading this based on preceding comments in this thread makes this a massive non sequitur, since there is very little Big Ten Uber Alles in this thread.

It seems like it was mostly because of an itching to write:

Quote: We've got jobs, economic growth within our region, increasing research within our universities, good weather, pretty women, great food, and with a few exceptions our cities aren't in blight. We get along just fine. We see our neighbors, go to church, try to teach our children that what they learn in textbooks isn't always absolutely true, and have beaches, mountains, woods, lakes and rivers to enjoy more readily than many places in the North.

... and there wasn't any hook for it, except by projecting a Big Ten Uber Alles attitude into the comment thread that isn't really there.

Quote: So what I'm saying is you don't have anything that we want, or even need.

The original topic was Big12 schools that explored joining the Big Ten during the period of Big12 instability, at the time that there were a number of AAU member schools in the Big12 and a concern that Texas was looking to move to the PAC. In the end, the Big Ten was only interested in taking Nebraska ... where, after all, the AAU status was already in peril and if the Big Ten did not take it at that time, it might not have another chance ... so the SEC was able to burnish its lackluster academic standing with Texas A&M and Mizzou.

(07-26-2015 05:36 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I pity you guys. You've set yourselves up for such a bitter disappointment when this stuff turns out some other way than the Big 10 is Uber and will get everything it wants.

The SEC isn't going to help you crack the ACC. ESPN isn't going to act in a manner contrary to what benefits the two conferences in which it has invested the most. Two conferences that provide it with the best viewership in football, the highest market saturation for football, the greatest national appeal for football, and high ratings for basketball, some of the fiercest rivalries in basketball, and some of the best cross conference in state rivalries in the nation. Texas and Oklahoma will either stay together in the Big 12 or find a way to play most of their games within driving distance of their students and alumni. And absolutely nobody down here is impressed by anything you guys do, have or desire.

I've got nothing against the Big 10 or its schools. And I don't think they represent the attitudes of some of the oblique fan base that touts the B1G world domination stuff.

We've got jobs, economic growth within our region, increasing research within our universities, good weather, pretty women, great food, and with a few exceptions our cities aren't in blight. We get along just fine. We see our neighbors, go to church, try to teach our children that what they learn in textbooks isn't always absolutely true, and have beaches, mountains, woods, lakes and rivers to enjoy more readily than many places in the North.

So what I'm saying is you don't have anything that we want, or even need. Why are we going to subjugate ourselves, or our schools to your will? We aren't.

Hyper defensive.

I will never be accused of having a love in my heart for the Big Ten. I think Jim Delany is evil and bad for the sport. However, everyone can see that the Big Ten has the most power of any league in the country - and not by just a little.

I'm not sure how that's a revelation at all? The SEC has been the top league in the country for a long time while the Big Ten has been mostly mediocre. And yet the Big Ten is still making more money than the SEC and everyone else.

How much more evidence do you need?

Let me put it this way: the SEC does not have a GOR. Is that correct? If that is correct, then I can assure you that if the Big Ten came to Missouri tomorrow and invited them into their league, Mizzou would be having a press conference on Tuesday morning to announce the change in their conference affiliation. There is just no doubt about that.

This is the example of a poster who doesn't have the facts. The Big 10 doesn't make more than we do. Not in TV revenue, not in total revenue. Just more Yankee hubris. We have fine academic institutions in the South including premier medical research facilities. We even have a couple in the SEC. We have great paying jobs considering the cost of living is so greatly reduced over that in the urban North.

Also Yinzer Missouri could leave it wanted to do so, but there is a GOR its just that it is with ESPN and not the conference.

I do pity the Big 10 guys. Their glory for the most part will remain in the past other than an occasional shining moment. You're bleeding representation to the South and fear losing research grant money to growing academic institutions in the South and that is what fuels Delany's push down the Atlantic Seaboard stuff. The only issue is that most Southerners don't care and won't go along, just like folks in North Carolina. And another thing Yinz I'm not being defensive. I'm just putting some the facts straight for the readers. When you can't handle it you accuse. Old tiring tactics put to use once again. Go ahead and see where they are in a few more years. I'll wait. And next time check your facts before posting.

(07-26-2015 07:29 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I pity you guys. You've set yourselves up for such a bitter disappointment when this stuff turns out some other way than the Big 10 is Uber and will get everything it wants.

Reading this based on preceding comments in this thread makes this a massive non sequitur, since there is very little Big Ten Uber Alles in this thread.

It seems like it was mostly because of an itching to write:

Quote: We've got jobs, economic growth within our region, increasing research within our universities, good weather, pretty women, great food, and with a few exceptions our cities aren't in blight. We get along just fine. We see our neighbors, go to church, try to teach our children that what they learn in textbooks isn't always absolutely true, and have beaches, mountains, woods, lakes and rivers to enjoy more readily than many places in the North.

... and there wasn't any hook for it, except by projecting a Big Ten Uber Alles attitude into the comment thread that isn't really there.

Quote: So what I'm saying is you don't have anything that we want, or even need.

The original topic was Big12 schools that explored joining the Big Ten during the period of Big12 instability, at the time that there were a number of AAU member schools in the Big12 and a concern that Texas was looking to move to the PAC. In the end, the Big Ten was only interested in taking Nebraska ... where, after all, the AAU status was already in peril and if the Big Ten did not take it at that time, it might not have another chance ... so the SEC was able to burnish its lackluster academic standing with Texas A&M and Mizzou.

It's been all over the board by your new Big 10 posters and a few of the older ones. You know like the Michigan State poster above and the Illinois poster below.

(07-26-2015 07:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 05:36 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I pity you guys. You've set yourselves up for such a bitter disappointment when this stuff turns out some other way than the Big 10 is Uber and will get everything it wants.

The SEC isn't going to help you crack the ACC. ESPN isn't going to act in a manner contrary to what benefits the two conferences in which it has invested the most. Two conferences that provide it with the best viewership in football, the highest market saturation for football, the greatest national appeal for football, and high ratings for basketball, some of the fiercest rivalries in basketball, and some of the best cross conference in state rivalries in the nation. Texas and Oklahoma will either stay together in the Big 12 or find a way to play most of their games within driving distance of their students and alumni. And absolutely nobody down here is impressed by anything you guys do, have or desire.

I've got nothing against the Big 10 or its schools. And I don't think they represent the attitudes of some of the oblique fan base that touts the B1G world domination stuff.

We've got jobs, economic growth within our region, increasing research within our universities, good weather, pretty women, great food, and with a few exceptions our cities aren't in blight. We get along just fine. We see our neighbors, go to church, try to teach our children that what they learn in textbooks isn't always absolutely true, and have beaches, mountains, woods, lakes and rivers to enjoy more readily than many places in the North.

So what I'm saying is you don't have anything that we want, or even need. Why are we going to subjugate ourselves, or our schools to your will? We aren't.

Hyper defensive.

I will never be accused of having a love in my heart for the Big Ten. I think Jim Delany is evil and bad for the sport. However, everyone can see that the Big Ten has the most power of any league in the country - and not by just a little.

I'm not sure how that's a revelation at all? The SEC has been the top league in the country for a long time while the Big Ten has been mostly mediocre. And yet the Big Ten is still making more money than the SEC and everyone else.

How much more evidence do you need?

Let me put it this way: the SEC does not have a GOR. Is that correct? If that is correct, then I can assure you that if the Big Ten came to Missouri tomorrow and invited them into their league, Mizzou would be having a press conference on Tuesday morning to announce the change in their conference affiliation. There is just no doubt about that.

This is the example of a poster who doesn't have the facts. The Big 10 doesn't make more than we do. Not in TV revenue, not in total revenue. Just more Yankee hubris. We have fine academic institutions in the South including premier medical research facilities. We even have a couple in the SEC. We have great paying jobs considering the cost of living is so greatly reduced over that in the urban North.

Also Yinzer Missouri could leave it wanted to do so, but there is a GOR its just that it is with ESPN and not the conference.

I do pity the Big 10 guys. Their glory for the most part will remain in the past other than an occasional shining moment. You're bleeding representation to the South and fear losing research grant money to growing academic institutions in the South and that is what fuels Delany's push down the Atlantic Seaboard stuff. The only issue is that most Southerners don't care and won't go along, just like folks in North Carolina. And another thing Yinz I'm not being defensive. I'm just putting some the facts straight for the readers. When you can't handle it you accuse. Old tiring tactics put to use once again. Go ahead and see where they are in a few more years. I'll wait. And next time check your facts before posting.

Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

OK Mr. Hubris, you made me work at this a little.

I have no idea how the "SEC!, SEC!, SEC!" finds room to complain about us Northerners, but, I guess we should be flattered a bit. Must be that we have something go on up here.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/25303...-long-term

Maybe now that ESPN granted the SEC a network they just might start noticing what's going on elsewhere on ESPN prime, painful as it may be for y'all. But, rest assured, just stick with your own network and you won't have to listen to any of that silly Buckeye, Wolverine, Lion, etc. talk.

I'm actually looking forward to peeking in on CBS once in a while to see how Danielson is handling conference comparison talk this year. Should be interesting if Ohio State holds on to its ranking for a while, without, you know, playing any worthy competition.

(07-26-2015 07:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND too.

There were many articles and blogs in 2010-11 that talked about how Delany was the smartest man in sports and how he had "checkmated" ND into a situation where it had no choice but to join the Big Ten.

Sleepless nights for Delany, I'm sure...

Why not 32 teams in the big ten, with 4 divisions of 8? Or why not 64, with 4 divisions of 16, each with 2 sub-divisions of 8 apiece? Conferences are aiming too big.

IMO, I think there should be a 12 team limit. But since that can't be had, I'd cap it off at a 14 team limit.

If they go 16-18 teams in a conference, it's basically going to divide G5/P5 into two separate Official football divisions. AND make P5 football ridiculous.

(07-26-2015 07:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 07:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 05:36 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 01:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I pity you guys. You've set yourselves up for such a bitter disappointment when this stuff turns out some other way than the Big 10 is Uber and will get everything it wants.

The SEC isn't going to help you crack the ACC. ESPN isn't going to act in a manner contrary to what benefits the two conferences in which it has invested the most. Two conferences that provide it with the best viewership in football, the highest market saturation for football, the greatest national appeal for football, and high ratings for basketball, some of the fiercest rivalries in basketball, and some of the best cross conference in state rivalries in the nation. Texas and Oklahoma will either stay together in the Big 12 or find a way to play most of their games within driving distance of their students and alumni. And absolutely nobody down here is impressed by anything you guys do, have or desire.

I've got nothing against the Big 10 or its schools. And I don't think they represent the attitudes of some of the oblique fan base that touts the B1G world domination stuff.

We've got jobs, economic growth within our region, increasing research within our universities, good weather, pretty women, great food, and with a few exceptions our cities aren't in blight. We get along just fine. We see our neighbors, go to church, try to teach our children that what they learn in textbooks isn't always absolutely true, and have beaches, mountains, woods, lakes and rivers to enjoy more readily than many places in the North.

So what I'm saying is you don't have anything that we want, or even need. Why are we going to subjugate ourselves, or our schools to your will? We aren't.

Hyper defensive.

I will never be accused of having a love in my heart for the Big Ten. I think Jim Delany is evil and bad for the sport. However, everyone can see that the Big Ten has the most power of any league in the country - and not by just a little.

I'm not sure how that's a revelation at all? The SEC has been the top league in the country for a long time while the Big Ten has been mostly mediocre. And yet the Big Ten is still making more money than the SEC and everyone else.

How much more evidence do you need?

Let me put it this way: the SEC does not have a GOR. Is that correct? If that is correct, then I can assure you that if the Big Ten came to Missouri tomorrow and invited them into their league, Mizzou would be having a press conference on Tuesday morning to announce the change in their conference affiliation. There is just no doubt about that.

This is the example of a poster who doesn't have the facts. The Big 10 doesn't make more than we do. Not in TV revenue, not in total revenue. Just more Yankee hubris. We have fine academic institutions in the South including premier medical research facilities. We even have a couple in the SEC. We have great paying jobs considering the cost of living is so greatly reduced over that in the urban North.

Also Yinzer Missouri could leave it wanted to do so, but there is a GOR its just that it is with ESPN and not the conference.

I do pity the Big 10 guys. Their glory for the most part will remain in the past other than an occasional shining moment. You're bleeding representation to the South and fear losing research grant money to growing academic institutions in the South and that is what fuels Delany's push down the Atlantic Seaboard stuff. The only issue is that most Southerners don't care and won't go along, just like folks in North Carolina. And another thing Yinz I'm not being defensive. I'm just putting some the facts straight for the readers. When you can't handle it you accuse. Old tiring tactics put to use once again. Go ahead and see where they are in a few more years. I'll wait. And next time check your facts before posting.

Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

Put your Illinois education to good use. Emory, U.A.B., Duke, North Carolina, Texas A&M, Rice, Tulane, Wake Forest and others. I said the SEC had a couple but the South has many more. Reconstruction required our education centers to split disciplines. AAU status conveniently didn't reward that. So many of our state schools lack the diversity necessary to meet requirements and we had an educational mission to carry out for the sake of the states as well.

My post is in response to a lot of Northern misconceptions about the South and Southerners. The Michigan State moron that posted racist obviously never lived in Oscoda Michigan in the 60's as I did when the sign on the city limits prohibited African Americans from being inside the city after sunset. Maybe he wasn't born yet when Northern racists rioted and overturned school buses in Pontiac to protest integration via busing in the .....drum roll please '70's which I might add happened in Boston Massachusetts as well. Maybe he didn't realize how segregated and mistreated Native American populations were in the Northern Midwest either. My mom and others on the Air Force base had to essentially do civil rights work among them because of the "racism" of Northern whites. So spare me your crap. I lived among you for years and am very familiar with your stereotyping of others so that you don't have to face your own shortcomings.

I lived in Canada, Michigan, Washington State, and many other places to name a few. I also have been to every contiguous state except for Rhode Island. People are the same everywhere. They all have their prejudices, their sense of regional pride, their own subculture, and their own shortcomings. The South is no exception. But we do have jobs, a low cost of living so the money lasts longer, nice weather, a good culture, and our own list of shortcomings. AS to racism it is still with us, but more open and honest in the South than the silent ceilings in the North.

But what I said is true. Your expectations are unrealistic and you're going to be disappointed. We don't love just money in the South although it is up there on the priority list. We won't embrace your offers as you seem to think we will. Why? Because you don't have anything we want that we don't already have for ourselves.

Just be good at being Northern and Midwestern and now Northeastern and you'll be fine. But you are not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Cornbread is! Y'all!

Iowa State, you say? Heh, that's funny...people usually left them for dead, even if they could bring a decent crowd and had AAU distinction.

I never bought those guys would be left out...

It's interesting what the conference has thought of taking from the old Big 8 and Big XII over the years. Both the B1G and PAC wanted Colorado. The B1G might have moved to fourteen almost two decades ago if both Colorado and Nebraska were wiling to join...Kansas and Missouri were the toss-in's.

Could anyone imagine the Big Ten stretching from PA to CO?

(07-26-2015 08:07 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  OK Mr. Hubris, you made me work at this a little.

I have no idea how the "SEC!, SEC!, SEC!" finds room to complain about us Northerners, but, I guess we should be flattered a bit. Must be that we have something go on up here.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/25303...-long-term

Maybe now that ESPN granted the SEC a network they just might start noticing what's going on elsewhere on ESPN prime, painful as it may be for y'all. But, rest assured, just stick with your own network and you won't have to listen to any of that silly Buckeye, Wolverine, Lion, etc. talk.

I'm actually looking forward to peeking in on CBS once in a while to see how Danielson is handling conference comparison talk this year. Should be interesting if Ohio State holds on to its ranking for a while, without, you know, playing any worthy competition.

You're fine SeaBlue. I was mainly going after some of the young Big 10 newbies who have shown up here with attitudes closely akin to a few of the ACC cheerleaders. In real life you don't fart rose petals because of who you are. Nobody does. That is the hubris. Read as many posts as I have to read and you will see your guys at work. I was just trying to put a little reality check on them.

The Big 10 will be in a fine and healthy rivalry with the SEC and it will be profitable for both of us. But you guys need to understand we don't regard you as anything special just as you don't regard us that way. But rivals should have some respect. Some of your new guys haven't been showing any.

For two years you won't be the best paid conference. In total revenue it's practically a toss up now with some services saying we are and other saying you are. Our academics don't stink. Much of our research is done in well funded privates as the state schools were set up differently than in the North. We have quality in engineering as well, including aerospace engineering here at Auburn where we have produced our share of astronauts as well.

The racism issue is ignorance from your younger guys who don't know history because they haven't lived through the bus riots in Pontiac and Boston, or haven't seen the racist displays of city ordinances in the North that were all too present in the 60's, or remember the Nazi rallies in Skokie Illinois, or realize that he Klan movement once had its center of operations in the 30's in Indiana.

So spare me the asinine stereotypes of a people who have the same class stratification as the North, the same corporate presence, and have the present advantage in jobs only because we had an anti union history.

A little levity and fairness and respect is in order here. That's the gist of my remarks having lived in both places for at least a reasonable length of time.

Really nice that the B1G considered us and others as a counter to the PAC expansion plan which we wanted no part of.

The lesson for today is don't sleep on Delaney's desire to add to the B1G West with the right programs as renegotiation approaches

(07-26-2015 07:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

aTm isn't quite there with Florida and Vanderbilt, but is actually a very good university. Here's an easy list:

http://cwur.org/2015/usa.html

How much truth is there to the OP? Is the guy credible?

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth is there to the OP? Is the guy credible?

You are talking about the writer of the article. Yes he is credible. We always knew about KU and OU and UT being vetted. What we didn't know about was Iowa State and Texas A&M.

We also didn't hear much about it since it didn't get to a formal proposal stage.

The B1G will want to expand along the COAST if it can. UNC, UVA, Duke, and down to Georgia Tech, Florida State.

Delany has always wanted to expand to 20 teams.

(07-26-2015 10:06 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 07:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

aTm isn't quite there with Florida and Vanderbilt, but is actually a very good university. Here's an easy list:

http://cwur.org/2015/usa.html

Just to put this in perspective, A&M is #102 on the list. Number of higher ranked schools by conference:
B1G: 10/14
PAC: 9/12
ACC: 6/15
SEC: 2/13
BigXII: 1/10

This is another reason why the BigXII is unstable- affiliation doesn't mean much to University presidents.

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth is there to the OP? Is the guy credible?

I agree that the article should be taken with a grain of salt, probably more than one. Among other things, the notion that the Big Ten was then considering Iowa State but not Missouri is very dubious. As if the story was made up by someone who didn't think it through.

(07-26-2015 10:40 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth is there to the OP? Is the guy credible?

You are talking about the writer of the article. Yes he is credible. We always knew about KU and OU and UT being vetted. What we didn't know about was Iowa State and Texas A&M.

We also didn't hear much about it since it didn't get to a formal proposal stage.

The B1G will want to expand along the COAST if it can. UNC, UVA, Duke, and down to Georgia Tech, Florida State.

Delany has always wanted to expand to 20 teams.

First I'm hearing of this.

(07-26-2015 10:06 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 07:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

aTm isn't quite there with Florida and Vanderbilt, but is actually a very good university. Here's an easy list:

http://cwur.org/2015/usa.html

Just to put this in perspective, A&M is #102 on the list. Number of higher ranked schools by conference:
B1G: 10/14
PAC: 9/12
ACC: 6/15
SEC: 2/13
BigXII: 1/10

This is another reason why the BigXII is unstable- affiliation doesn't mean much to University presidents.

(07-26-2015 10:57 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 10:06 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 07:54 PM)TheNealT Wrote:  Fine academic schools??? Vandy and Florida and then what???

aTm isn't quite there with Florida and Vanderbilt, but is actually a very good university. Here's an easy list:

http://cwur.org/2015/usa.html

Just to put this in perspective, A&M is #102 on the list. Number of higher ranked schools by conference:
B1G: 10/14
PAC: 9/12
ACC: 6/15
SEC: 2/13
BigXII: 1/10

This is another reason why the BigXII is unstable- affiliation doesn't mean much to University presidents.

PAC 12 would want to get Cal-Davis. The highest D1 school not in a P5. I put them at #20. Iremoved all non D1 and D2 schools and removed the Ivy schools.

(07-26-2015 11:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 10:40 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth is there to the OP? Is the guy credible?

You are talking about the writer of the article. Yes he is credible. We always knew about KU and OU and UT being vetted. What we didn't know about was Iowa State and Texas A&M.

We also didn't hear much about it since it didn't get to a formal proposal stage.

The B1G will want to expand along the COAST if it can. UNC, UVA, Duke, and down to Georgia Tech, Florida State.

Delany has always wanted to expand to 20 teams.

First I'm hearing of this.

What part of it? Some of that has been told to you all by me here quite some time ago.