Austin was sort of Cavalier about the situation.

(07-16-2015 10:42 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:40 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:38 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  This was already explained. He has ties to the Jones family - boosters for both UofM and UVA and Paul Tudor Jones is the namesake of their roundball arena..

I knew about Jones but thought that the lawyer also being a UVA grad was rather odd. Again, IMHO, it stinks.

why? if the kid wants to go to Virginia and Virginia wants him where would you expect the lawyer to come from??

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(07-19-2015 08:03 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Austin was sort of Cavalier about the situation.

Maybe because Cleveland is thinking about drafting him in the future.

(07-19-2015 07:04 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You guys are big on precedent. I guess based on that...

- Memphis was the worst case in NCAA history, given that nobody else had ever hired a lawyer.

- Memphis was the worst situation in NCAA history, given that I have never heard a parent, handler, or lawyer go on record saying things about a school that scumbag did.

No need to bring up things like handling issues with professionalism and class. We all know that dad and scumbag know nothing about that.

- The Nichols are far from the first family to hire an attorney to contest a transfer restriction or other NCAA issue.

- Memphis is in pretty bad shape right now, respectively.

The attorney told the truth and got his client the result he wanted. I don't understand why you seem to be taking this so personally. I'd be more upset and depressed that what the attorney said was actually very accurate.

Memphis could have also made the truth public, which would have painted a very unflattering picture of AN and daddy, and would have been a major embarrassment for the family. The problem with doing this is that by doing so, it would have put itself in a horrible position as far as future recruiting goes.

The bottom line is that daddy, AN and the scumbag lawyer played very dirty pool, considering what went down.

Quote: I'd be more upset and depressed that what the attorney said was actually very accurate.

Believe it or not, there are horror stories that happen at 99% of the programs and you NEVER hear lawyers make public comments like the scumbag laywer did. I'm not depressed in the slightest, but I am offended that we were outed by two people who are at the bottom of the barrel as far as ethics go. It's not like Ghandi and Mother Teresa spilled the beans on us.

I wouldn't want to continue to argue with a lawyer. Yet you keep at it against TWO of them.

(07-21-2015 09:54 AM)FruitJar Wrote:  I wouldn't want to continue to argue with a lawyer. Yet you keep at it against TWO of them.

(07-21-2015 10:32 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 09:54 AM)FruitJar Wrote:  I wouldn't want to continue to argue with a lawyer. Yet you keep at it against TWO of them.

I was wonderin' where my good bucket run off to. I see you caught a shot of ole Diesel, the sheep goat wearin' it. He's a slickin' I tell ya. Smartest danged sheep goat this side of the Missip.

The stuff the attorney said was hardly some dark program secret. It's stuff people say on twitter and this message board all the time. It's not even as bad as what Kuran Iverson re tweeted. It's just that this time it was said by a representative of the best returning player and All-American/ All-Conference candidate and can't be blown of as sour grapes from a malcontent this time.

And initially the family seemed like it was willing to go quietly with the whole girlfriend story. It wasn't until the Pastner/Bowen stretched the usual transfer restrictions to fit Virginia b/c they believed there was tampering (my understanding is that normally the restriction to future opponents doesn't extend to opponents that are merely possible) that the attorney made a public statement like that.

If you really want to be mad at someone, be mad at the administration for not realizing how weak their hand was and then having to fold like a cheap suit once they did realize. Just poorly played all around.

(07-21-2015 12:03 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  The stuff the attorney said was hardly some dark program secret. It's stuff people say on twitter and this message board all the time. It's not even as bad as what Kuran Iverson re tweeted. It's just that this time it was said by a representative of the best returning player and All-American/ All-Conference candidate and can't be blown of as sour grapes from a malcontent this time.

And initially the family seemed like it was willing to go quietly with the whole girlfriend story. It wasn't until the Pastner/Bowen stretched the usual transfer restrictions to fit Virginia b/c they believed there was tampering (my understanding is that normally the restriction to future opponents doesn't extend to opponents that are merely possible) that the attorney made a public statement like that.

If you really want to be mad at someone, be mad at the administration for not realizing how weak their hand was and then having to fold like a cheap suit once they did realize. Just poorly played all around.

I agree that there is no reason to feel any anger at all toward AN, daddy or the lawyer. Save the anger for important stuff like Pastner holding up a flashcard or saying that an opposing coach runs really good stuff.

You know what they say about lawyers...

What should you do if you find a lawyer buried up to their neck in cement?

Get more cement.

(07-19-2015 08:03 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Austin was sort of Cavalier about the situation.

Sadly, he'll be the one to live with it. Dad will probably never figure it out.

(07-19-2015 08:03 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Austin was sort of Cavalier about the situation.

The whole thing stinks even more that I originally thought. Could this have been going on for a long time....under the radar. Question....can a booster for a university work behind the scenes to get a scholar athlete under contract to breach that contract and in so doing, convince that scholar athlete to transfer to that boosters school with no NCAA infraction taking place?

(07-16-2015 10:45 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:40 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:38 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  This was already explained. He has ties to the Jones family - boosters for both UofM and UVA and Paul Tudor Jones is the namesake of their roundball arena..

I knew about Jones but thought that the lawyer also being a UVA grad was rather odd. Again, IMHO, it stinks.

yes, he went to UVA law school and specializes in representing student athletes. It is not a big leap to surmise that his name was given to the nichols family by someone connected to the Jones family. Not illegal or against NCAA rules, but I get your point.

Would disagree. If he is associated with the athletic program in any way it would be considered tampering. If he has donated funds to the UVA athletic program he is considered a booster and is prohibited from contacting a potential transfer to UVA. Especially one who has not gotten a release from his previous school.

(07-26-2015 05:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:45 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:40 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:38 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  This was already explained. He has ties to the Jones family - boosters for both UofM and UVA and Paul Tudor Jones is the namesake of their roundball arena..

I knew about Jones but thought that the lawyer also being a UVA grad was rather odd. Again, IMHO, it stinks.

yes, he went to UVA law school and specializes in representing student athletes. It is not a big leap to surmise that his name was given to the nichols family by someone connected to the Jones family. Not illegal or against NCAA rules, but I get your point.

Would disagree. If he is associated with the athletic program in any way it would be considered tampering. If he has donated funds to the UVA athletic program he is considered a booster and is prohibited from contacting a potential transfer to UVA. Especially one who has not gotten a release from his previous school.

However you want to slice it, it was a done deal before AN announced his transfer.

"The stuff the attorney said was hardly some dark program secret. It's stuff people say on twitter and this message board all the time"

Brilliant, you figure out where the quote originate. Next thing we know, people will figure out where the money originated for the lawyer, hint, it wasn't daddy's bank account.

(07-26-2015 09:13 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(07-26-2015 05:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:45 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:40 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 10:38 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  This was already explained. He has ties to the Jones family - boosters for both UofM and UVA and Paul Tudor Jones is the namesake of their roundball arena..

I knew about Jones but thought that the lawyer also being a UVA grad was rather odd. Again, IMHO, it stinks.

yes, he went to UVA law school and specializes in representing student athletes. It is not a big leap to surmise that his name was given to the nichols family by someone connected to the Jones family. Not illegal or against NCAA rules, but I get your point.

Would disagree. If he is associated with the athletic program in any way it would be considered tampering. If he has donated funds to the UVA athletic program he is considered a booster and is prohibited from contacting a potential transfer to UVA. Especially one who has not gotten a release from his previous school.

However you want to slice it, it was a done deal before AN announced his transfer.

Once AN actually enrolls at Virginia would be the moment for UM to bring up ant tampering questions they may have. NCAA would almost certainly have to investigate and who knows what they might find?

If Nichols was happy with Pastner and his program, it wouldn't matter. There would be no transfer. I think this transfer is a devastating commentary on Pastner and his program. The lawsons are his last refuge. His career will flourish or disintegrate in proportion to how successful those kids are in it.