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NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story...e-football

Very respected coach Bill Snyder of the Kansas State Wildcats chimed in on Big12 expansion any mentioned Nebraska back to the Big 12. I am a traditionalist and even though I flock to realignment news like a fly to boo boo, I miss some of the regional games that made college football what it is. I'm well aware of the financial implications but I think that if your conference is far flung then most if not all of your non-conference games should be against regional foes. Why can't NU play old Big 8 schools that they have 100+ years of history with? Why can't Penn State play Pitt, WVU, and the Cuse regularly? Or Maryland ACC schools?

What coach Snyder doesnt acknowledge is that humpty dumpty has fallen. The best that fans can hope for is for a division within a power conference that is cozy with old school rivals. If the B1G expands to lock up the plains and goes to 20 or 24 then I could see a west division of:

Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Mizzou (if they still have eyes for the B1G)
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois

I know it is a little far fetched but the old Big 8 schools could schedule Oklahoma State, Iowa State, & Kansas State regularly so most of their traditional rivals would remain on the schedule making for good traditional OOC games and easy travel.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
I definitely can't see a scenario where Nebraska would leave the B1G for the Big 12. The B1G is an outstanding conference in many ways, and even with the expansion I think they still have an essential core that has common bonds and culture, and ties that go back for decades. Nebraska is a good fit for that group.

The Big 8 was a pretty solid group in its time - but even though they saw the need to expand early, they weren't able to do so in a cohesive fashion, and once the North/South schism started creating some cracks, it also allowed for more wandering eyes on the part of Colorado. I don't think they're a bad PAC fit (both culturally in general and since many of their alums are out West) but I don't think they were a gross misfit for the old Big 8, either. Missouri had long ties to old Big 8 schools, and if it weren't for Texas A&M's wandering eyes they might well still be in the Big 12.

Obviously some of the forces that have forced change may have played out the same in any case, but perhaps if the Big 8 had instead expanded with Arkansas, Texas, Texas Tech, and New Mexico, it would have come out differently. Texas A&M could have gone to the SEC at that time and not been restless in the Big 12. Arkansas and New Mexico aren't large, wealthy states, but along with Texas (where we'd have 2 of the 3 big schools) they would have been a coherent footprint expansion, and Arkansas would have had natural rivals in their old SWC mates UT and TT, as well as Missouri and the Oklahoma schools, while UNM (certainly the project of the bunch) would have been a natural rival for Colorado and Texas Tech. Configuring divisions may have been a bit tricky to get all rivalries in order (particularly keeping OU aligned with the triumvirate of Nebraska, OSU, and UT) but if they could have done so perhaps a more cohesive entity could have emerged.

The Nebraska/Oklahoma rivalry was killed by the Big 12 alignment. Nebraska never really formed any other rivalries with the new Big 12 South schools, and 2 of their 4 old border state rivals from the Big 8/12 are elsewhere. Nebraska and Kansas are friendly, but since their rivalries are so lopsided in terms of results in the 2 major sports there wasn't ever a big rivalry bond to re-kindle. If KU ends up in the B1G I'm sure Nebraska would welcome us warmly, but I don't see any reason they'd come back to the Big 12.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back
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(07-23-2015 02:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back

Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
For Nebraska, Big Ten stability trumps Big 12 drama

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/barfknecht-...22871.html

No brainer.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
The only way Nebraska gets the band back together is if a couple old Big 8 rivals come join them in the Big Ten.
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Coach Snyder see the handwriting on the wall for the B12. They have to either grow or more of their members will move. while KSU has soiid sports programs their academics would not allow them to get into the B10.
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(07-24-2015 01:45 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Coach Snyder see the handwriting on the wall for the B12. They have to either grow or more of their members will move. while KSU has soiid sports programs their academics would not allow them to get into the B10.

Coach Snyder has already come out and said he wants his son to take over after him. He wants to create a Snyder Dynasty at KSU. That is why he is getting so vocal and saying some of the dumb **** stuff that he is saying. He is absolutely emotionally invested in this.

No one from KSU is going to like what they end up with. It will be "equivalent" to what KU gets but by no means will it be the same. They will just have to accept it.
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(07-24-2015 07:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 01:45 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Coach Snyder see the handwriting on the wall for the B12. They have to either grow or more of their members will move. while KSU has soiid sports programs their academics would not allow them to get into the B10.

Coach Snyder has already come out and said he wants his son to take over after him. He wants to create a Snyder Dynasty at KSU. That is why he is getting so vocal and saying some of the dumb **** stuff that he is saying. He is absolutely emotionally invested in this.

No one from KSU is going to like what they end up with. It will be "equivalent" to what KU gets but by no means will it be the same. They will just have to accept it.

I'm not even sure they end up with what KU gets, KU by virtue of being the better academic univesity and having a kickass hoops program at least has a shot at the Big 10/ACC or 12 PAC. KSU has no shot at any of those 3 conferences if the B12 implodes
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(07-24-2015 01:58 PM)Policiious Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 07:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 01:45 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Coach Snyder see the handwriting on the wall for the B12. They have to either grow or more of their members will move. while KSU has soiid sports programs their academics would not allow them to get into the B10.

Coach Snyder has already come out and said he wants his son to take over after him. He wants to create a Snyder Dynasty at KSU. That is why he is getting so vocal and saying some of the dumb **** stuff that he is saying. He is absolutely emotionally invested in this.

No one from KSU is going to like what they end up with. It will be "equivalent" to what KU gets but by no means will it be the same. They will just have to accept it.

I'm not even sure they end up with what KU gets, KU by virtue of being the better academic univesity and having a kickass hoops program at least has a shot at the Big 10/ACC or 12 PAC. KSU has no shot at any of those 3 conferences if the B12 implodes

No one is going to take a chance with leaving a school like KSU behind. The GoR is still intact for at least a decade longer. That means over 200 million dollars that KSU has planned for in the future. A vote that dissolves the conference and leaves KSU behind opens up the possibility of KSU suing for those damages.

Schools like KSU and ISU wont be left behind. Those schools, plus Fox, have to be satisfied. That is the truth of the matter that most message board posters just cant seem to comprehend. I am not talking about you personally with that last comment, just what I see in general, especially at sites such as Landthieves. They are all stuck in their biased little desires.

The fact that the SEC is putting up numbers like they are means that the Networks are not in favor of parking anymore big names like Oklahoma or Texas there. They want to boost other conference values. Their big money in the future is coming in the post season with conference tournaments. Any more big name programs in the SEC is a waste.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
(07-23-2015 03:16 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 02:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back

Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.

A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.
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(07-24-2015 10:28 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 03:16 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 02:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back

Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.

A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.

Nobody will be bidding $1 billion per year. The B1G's current contract is $1 billion for 10 years and a healthy raise, putting the B1G ahead of the other conferences, would be $3 billion over 10 years ($300 million per year). The $45 million per school number is the all in number for football media revenues, including the conference level agreements with ESPN/Fox, the B1G Championship game revenue, Bowl payouts (including playoffs), and payouts from the BTN.
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(07-25-2015 12:40 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 10:28 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 03:16 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 02:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back

Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.

A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.

Nobody will be bidding $1 billion per year. The B1G's current contract is $1 billion for 10 years and a healthy raise, putting the B1G ahead of the other conferences, would be $3 billion over 10 years ($300 million per year). The $45 million per school number is the all in number for football media revenues, including the conference level agreements with ESPN/Fox, the B1G Championship game revenue, Bowl payouts (including playoffs), and payouts from the BTN.

As a get out of jail free card I used the word "or". Fox must offer something eye popping to get the B1G away from ESPN. ESPN will come with a solid offer and they have the build in advantages of: more mature product, better game production, better channel recognition by casual fans, better surrounding programming, established ratings driver, and on, and on, and on.
IMO, Fox desperately wants some top of the line programming and not the sloppy seconds of ABC/ESPN so Fox has to do something over the top to ensure they get it. Fox has some split rights with the Big 12 and PAC 12 but not much else in the way of ratings drivers. If ESPN retains B1G rights as they have, then Fox is shut out of major rights for the next decade which would be very bad for FS1 & FS2.
Fox has built a good relationship with the B1G through the championship game and BTN but now we are talking week in and week out coverage and the possibility of being ignored by ESPN because of hard feelings. There is a risk premium that has to be paid for going with an unknown commodity along with the present market for sports rights that have shot up in recent years.
Fox wants to use B1G fan loyalty as a driver to turn FS1 & FS2 into the equivalent of ESPN & ESPN2. And if the B1G can help them accomplish that then I don't think a percentage of revenues in perpetuity or stock or a billion dollars a year are unreasonable. At this point, similar to BTN, we are talking about a business partnership not just rights fees.
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(07-25-2015 08:17 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  
(07-25-2015 12:40 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 10:28 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 03:16 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 02:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The B1G money is about to soar.....no way does Nebraska go back

Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.

A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.

Nobody will be bidding $1 billion per year. The B1G's current contract is $1 billion for 10 years and a healthy raise, putting the B1G ahead of the other conferences, would be $3 billion over 10 years ($300 million per year). The $45 million per school number is the all in number for football media revenues, including the conference level agreements with ESPN/Fox, the B1G Championship game revenue, Bowl payouts (including playoffs), and payouts from the BTN.

As a get out of jail free card I used the word "or". Fox must offer something eye popping to get the B1G away from ESPN. ESPN will come with a solid offer and they have the build in advantages of: more mature product, better game production, better channel recognition by casual fans, better surrounding programming, established ratings driver, and on, and on, and on.
IMO, Fox desperately wants some top of the line programming and not the sloppy seconds of ABC/ESPN so Fox has to do something over the top to ensure they get it. Fox has some split rights with the Big 12 and PAC 12 but not much else in the way of ratings drivers. If ESPN retains B1G rights as they have, then Fox is shut out of major rights for the next decade which would be very bad for FS1 & FS2.
Fox has built a good relationship with the B1G through the championship game and BTN but now we are talking week in and week out coverage and the possibility of being ignored by ESPN because of hard feelings. There is a risk premium that has to be paid for going with an unknown commodity along with the present market for sports rights that have shot up in recent years.
Fox wants to use B1G fan loyalty as a driver to turn FS1 & FS2 into the equivalent of ESPN & ESPN2. And if the B1G can help them accomplish that then I don't think a percentage of revenues in perpetuity or stock or a billion dollars a year are unreasonable. At this point, similar to BTN, we are talking about a business partnership not just rights fees.

Agreed. We just don't know what price dollar FOX will need to put on it, but we do know that if FOX can put up a HUGE bid into the several billions level it will make ESPN bow out and accept sloppy, boring 11am games against the likes of IL vs Purdue.

The SEC's Tier1 is about 2.5 billion dollars. So if FOX can throw out a bid in the 7 billion range, they have a strong chance of landing this bid.

FOX put out a 50 billion dollar bid not that long ago to buyout another company and lost it (didn't get approved by the chairman that has to approve a final sale), so they have plenty of money sitting in the bank to take ESPN to the woodshed financially if they desired to do so.

We likely will not know much that is going to be taking place since there will be a lot of non-disclosure documents signed.
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(07-25-2015 09:09 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
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(07-25-2015 12:40 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(07-24-2015 10:28 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 03:16 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  Totally agree. I'm hoping FOX gets the rights so we can have an SEC/CBS type game or two every week. The last # I hear was $45 Million per school per year. I think that # will be low. My uneducated expectation is for fox to throw a billion a year at the conference for the whole package. Or stock options or a percentage of fox revenue or something that makes the offer one that the B1G can't refuse. ESPN is hurting right now and don't have the prime slots that Fox, FS1 & FS2 can offer. Furthermore Fox needs content to push FS & FS2 more into the mainstream.

Money is about to skyrocket and Nebraska has been paying dues (not receiving full B1G revenue for 5 years now) no way they give up that kind of money to get the band back together. Especially when there is always the option of scheduling old Big 8 rivals OOC.

A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.

Nobody will be bidding $1 billion per year. The B1G's current contract is $1 billion for 10 years and a healthy raise, putting the B1G ahead of the other conferences, would be $3 billion over 10 years ($300 million per year). The $45 million per school number is the all in number for football media revenues, including the conference level agreements with ESPN/Fox, the B1G Championship game revenue, Bowl payouts (including playoffs), and payouts from the BTN.

As a get out of jail free card I used the word "or". Fox must offer something eye popping to get the B1G away from ESPN. ESPN will come with a solid offer and they have the build in advantages of: more mature product, better game production, better channel recognition by casual fans, better surrounding programming, established ratings driver, and on, and on, and on.
IMO, Fox desperately wants some top of the line programming and not the sloppy seconds of ABC/ESPN so Fox has to do something over the top to ensure they get it. Fox has some split rights with the Big 12 and PAC 12 but not much else in the way of ratings drivers. If ESPN retains B1G rights as they have, then Fox is shut out of major rights for the next decade which would be very bad for FS1 & FS2.
Fox has built a good relationship with the B1G through the championship game and BTN but now we are talking week in and week out coverage and the possibility of being ignored by ESPN because of hard feelings. There is a risk premium that has to be paid for going with an unknown commodity along with the present market for sports rights that have shot up in recent years.
Fox wants to use B1G fan loyalty as a driver to turn FS1 & FS2 into the equivalent of ESPN & ESPN2. And if the B1G can help them accomplish that then I don't think a percentage of revenues in perpetuity or stock or a billion dollars a year are unreasonable. At this point, similar to BTN, we are talking about a business partnership not just rights fees.

Agreed. We just don't know what price dollar FOX will need to put on it, but we do know that if FOX can put up a HUGE bid into the several billions level it will make ESPN bow out and accept sloppy, boring 11am games against the likes of IL vs Purdue.

The SEC's Tier1 is about 2.5 billion dollars. So if FOX can throw out a bid in the 7 billion range, they have a strong chance of landing this bid.

FOX put out a 50 billion dollar bid not that long ago to buyout another company and lost it (didn't get approved by the chairman that has to approve a final sale), so they have plenty of money sitting in the bank to take ESPN to the woodshed financially if they desired to do so.

We likely will not know much that is going to be taking place since there will be a lot of non-disclosure documents signed.

$7 billion is way too high. ESPN needs to sell ads to cover the cost and at $7 billion, the ads would be roughly 3x the cost of the same ad for an SEC game. Delany will be looking to top the SEC bid, but a $3 billion bid for 10 years would be in the range, not $7 billion.

The price Fox bid for an acquisition is irrelevant because they're buying an entire company, not just rights to telecast, and Fox doesn't have plenty of money sitting around - they would have needed bank financing and maybe a debt issuance to pay the acquisition cost. Apples and oranges.
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(07-26-2015 11:51 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
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(07-24-2015 10:28 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  A billion dollars a year would be a bid in the range of 10 billion dollars to 15 billion dollars, depending on the length the contract is signed for.

Can't see ESPN having any chance to compete against a bid like that. They would bow out well before that range of billions of dollars.

Nobody will be bidding $1 billion per year. The B1G's current contract is $1 billion for 10 years and a healthy raise, putting the B1G ahead of the other conferences, would be $3 billion over 10 years ($300 million per year). The $45 million per school number is the all in number for football media revenues, including the conference level agreements with ESPN/Fox, the B1G Championship game revenue, Bowl payouts (including playoffs), and payouts from the BTN.

As a get out of jail free card I used the word "or". Fox must offer something eye popping to get the B1G away from ESPN. ESPN will come with a solid offer and they have the build in advantages of: more mature product, better game production, better channel recognition by casual fans, better surrounding programming, established ratings driver, and on, and on, and on.
IMO, Fox desperately wants some top of the line programming and not the sloppy seconds of ABC/ESPN so Fox has to do something over the top to ensure they get it. Fox has some split rights with the Big 12 and PAC 12 but not much else in the way of ratings drivers. If ESPN retains B1G rights as they have, then Fox is shut out of major rights for the next decade which would be very bad for FS1 & FS2.
Fox has built a good relationship with the B1G through the championship game and BTN but now we are talking week in and week out coverage and the possibility of being ignored by ESPN because of hard feelings. There is a risk premium that has to be paid for going with an unknown commodity along with the present market for sports rights that have shot up in recent years.
Fox wants to use B1G fan loyalty as a driver to turn FS1 & FS2 into the equivalent of ESPN & ESPN2. And if the B1G can help them accomplish that then I don't think a percentage of revenues in perpetuity or stock or a billion dollars a year are unreasonable. At this point, similar to BTN, we are talking about a business partnership not just rights fees.

Agreed. We just don't know what price dollar FOX will need to put on it, but we do know that if FOX can put up a HUGE bid into the several billions level it will make ESPN bow out and accept sloppy, boring 11am games against the likes of IL vs Purdue.

The SEC's Tier1 is about 2.5 billion dollars. So if FOX can throw out a bid in the 7 billion range, they have a strong chance of landing this bid.

FOX put out a 50 billion dollar bid not that long ago to buyout another company and lost it (didn't get approved by the chairman that has to approve a final sale), so they have plenty of money sitting in the bank to take ESPN to the woodshed financially if they desired to do so.

We likely will not know much that is going to be taking place since there will be a lot of non-disclosure documents signed.

$7 billion is way too high. ESPN needs to sell ads to cover the cost and at $7 billion, the ads would be roughly 3x the cost of the same ad for an SEC game. Delany will be looking to top the SEC bid, but a $3 billion bid for 10 years would be in the range, not $7 billion.

The price Fox bid for an acquisition is irrelevant because they're buying an entire company, not just rights to telecast, and Fox doesn't have plenty of money sitting around - they would have needed bank financing and maybe a debt issuance to pay the acquisition cost. Apples and oranges.

For 10 years, I'd bet we'd see a deal closer to $4 billion. That $1 billion was negotiated before Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers were added which adds national football interest thanks to Nebraska and increased population in an expanded footprint primarily thanks to Rutgers and Maryland. Plus sports rights fees have skyrocketed. If I had to guess it'll be $3.5 billion. And the $45 million also includes basketball media revenue and basketball post-season (NIT/NCAA/etc.) revenue.

Edit: I have no idea why I put in $4 billion a year. My meaning was pretty clear though.
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RE: NU back to Big12? OU, KU, & MU join the B1G before NU goes back IMO.
My money is on no expansion before the new contract. If we get expansion (or outright mergers of conferences), it won't be till the 2020s. Too much pushing the status quo for the time being (which suits me fine).
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