Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Top 25 or bust
Author Message
Pan95 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,688
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation: 56
I Root For: Rice/WY
Location:
Post: #1
Exclamation Top 25 or bust





There it is. My question is how soon?

Edit: Fixed the video.
(This post was last modified: 07-22-2015 05:46 PM by Pan95.)
07-22-2015 04:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Klobasnek Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 221
Joined: Jul 2013
Reputation: 8
I Root For: Rice
Location: Houston
Post: #2
RE: Top 25 or bust
Video doesn't seem to be working.
07-22-2015 05:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ColOwl Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,953
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 14
I Root For: Rice
Location: The High Country

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #3
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-22-2015 05:11 PM)Klobasnek Wrote:  Video doesn't seem to be working.

Perhaps the blank black video screen was his unique tongue-in-cheek way of asking what he intended to be a rhetorical question.
(This post was last modified: 07-22-2015 05:17 PM by ColOwl.)
07-22-2015 05:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
At Ease Offline
Banned

Posts: 17,134
Joined: Jun 2005
I Root For: The Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-22-2015 04:55 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  




There it is. My question is how soon?
07-22-2015 05:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
waltgreenberg Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 33,146
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 138
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Chicago

The Parliament Awards
Post: #5
RE: Top 25 or bust
That's great and all, and he's obviously echoing the vision/goal set by his boss (Dr. K), but before we ranked in the Top 25 we have to beat a team ranked in the Top 75, and be competitive with teams in the Top 50; something we have not done yet under Bailiff. Hopefully, this is the year. 03-cloud9
07-22-2015 06:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
talon owl Offline
Chicken Fingers Justin
*

Posts: 10,277
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 38
I Root For: The OE Arrrrrgh
Location: North/South Face

New Orleans BowlThe Parliament Awards
Post: #6
RE: Top 25 or bust
ESPN has our SOS for 2015 ranked 111th. We'll probably have beat one of preseason top 5 Baylor or Texas (with UT having a strong year) to finish in the Top 25.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stat...rder/false
07-22-2015 06:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


OldOwl Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,315
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: -12
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Top 25 or bust
How long is Bailiff contract at Rice? I think his contract will not be renewed if he doesn't end up in the top 25 one year. I am real concerned with the recruiting but I guess it is still early. With only 2-star recruits and only two or three 3-star recruits, it will be real difficult to get in the top 25. I hope I am wrong.
(07-22-2015 06:25 PM)talon owl Wrote:  ESPN has our SOS for 2015 ranked 111th. We'll probably have beat one of preseason top 5 Baylor or Texas (with UT having a strong year) to finish in the Top 25.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stat...rder/false
07-22-2015 11:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Hambone10 Offline
Hooter
*

Posts: 40,279
Joined: Nov 2005
Reputation: 1284
I Root For: My Kids
Location: Right Down th Middle

New Orleans BowlDonatorsThe Parliament Awards
Post: #8
RE: Top 25 or bust
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear him articulate this so clearly. I'm sure the 'time' answer is 'as soon as possible'.

We need to improve to do this AND get a bit lucky (since we have so few opportunities against teams between 50 and 25). I mean if your only loss is a 20 point loss to #7, are you #8 or #108? It's very hard to tell. Further, you COULD be just a poor match-up against a certain #15, but be able to beat #16. That is the hard thing about CUSA and really, ANY g5 is that you generally only get 4 chances to prove that you belong in the top 40 or so, AND you only really get that chance very early, AND you really don't want to 'load up' all four of those.
07-23-2015 10:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Afflicted Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,249
Joined: Sep 2009
I Root For: Rice and UH
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Top 25 or bust
I think he recruits really well considering the limitations on his resources. I'm curious to see how quickly things pick up when he has an endzone facility and renovated stadium to show off. We have a chance to win the West and maybe the conference championship this year. That always helps. If Navy can break the top25 every now and then, so can Rice.
07-23-2015 10:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
westsidewolf1989 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,220
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 74
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #10
RE: Top 25 or bust
Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.
(This post was last modified: 07-23-2015 11:00 AM by westsidewolf1989.)
07-23-2015 10:59 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Frizzy Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,334
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #11
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 12:21 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  What do you suppose the vegas odds are on DB achieving a top 25 finish?

Vegas doesn't release odds on that.

Rice is 4:1 to win the C-USA championship game (or was, as of June).

The longest odds offered for winning the BCS championship are 500:1, for several teams not including Rice, so that infers less than 1 in 500 chance for Rice as far as Vegas is concerned.
07-23-2015 12:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


waltgreenberg Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 33,146
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 138
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Chicago

The Parliament Awards
Post: #12
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)
07-23-2015 12:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Hambone10 Offline
Hooter
*

Posts: 40,279
Joined: Nov 2005
Reputation: 1284
I Root For: My Kids
Location: Right Down th Middle

New Orleans BowlDonatorsThe Parliament Awards
Post: #13
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

Agreeing with your context that being competitive with and occasionally beating teams in the top 50 is the goal and worthy of claims that we've reached 'the next level' (though with more levels to go) and worthy of praise and an extension etc... but disagreeing that JK (and Bailiff) don't believe that is possible.

Had we beaten Marshall last year, it might have been possible. Had we been competitive with Miss St the previous year, it might have been possible.

It's too early today to predict how everything will pan out, but going with history I'd say that UT, Baylor and the Conference Championship game should be against our highest rated opponents. If we go undefeated in conference (not saying we would or should... just as an example) including beating let's assume a top 40 team from the east... and then we have a combination of performance, plus their finish that is 'positive' (i.e. we beat UT but they finish ranked 40 and we lose to Baylor by 17, but they finish ranked #3... or we lose good games to them both and both are in the top 15) then once again, I think we could be ranked in the top 25.

As I recall in both 2013 and 2014, Marshall 'sniffed' the top 25 without playing ANYONE of note (at the time of their rankings)... and I think we did as well in 2013 before the bowl. You can't play them and get blown out... but if you can avoid playing them at all, you have a backhanded shot. That just isn't practical with the bowls... you've got to put on a good show against an outstanding opponent, or beat a good one at least once.... and not lose to any NOT good ones.

As I said, that's a combination of being good AND of some scheduling/match-up luck.
07-23-2015 01:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ranfin Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 923
Joined: Jun 2008
Reputation: 9
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #14
RE: Top 25 or bust
Conference affiliation and budget are not static. If we do other things right, those can improve.


(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)
07-23-2015 01:38 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
waltgreenberg Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 33,146
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 138
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Chicago

The Parliament Awards
Post: #15
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 01:38 PM)ranfin Wrote:  Conference affiliation and budget are not static. If we do other things right, those can improve.


(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

True, but first things first-- Bailiff needs to get off the plateau of respectability during the past 3 seasons of "unprecedented success" and finally get over the hump and take us to the next level (as I define in my post above). He does that and the AD team succeeds in increasing attendance, and we have a shot at being a viable candidate during the next round of conference realignment (especially if Coach Rhoades achieves the success that many of us expect over the next 2 - 3 years).
07-23-2015 01:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
owl95 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,136
Joined: Sep 2010
Reputation: 28
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 01:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 01:38 PM)ranfin Wrote:  Conference affiliation and budget are not static. If we do other things right, those can improve.


(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

True, but first things first-- Bailiff needs to get off the plateau of respectability during the past 3 seasons of "unprecedented success" and finally get over the hump and take us to the next level (as I define in my post above). He does that and the AD team succeeds in increasing attendance, and we have a shot at being a viable candidate during the next round of conference realignment (especially if Coach Rhoades achieves the success that many of us expect over the next 2 - 3 years).

Agreed. For the first time in many years, we appear to have a path ahead of us with the pieces falling into place. It's not an easy path and would require many things, including attendance and fan support, and team performance exceeding historical norms, but at least the path is there for us to take.
07-23-2015 03:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Afflicted Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,249
Joined: Sep 2009
I Root For: Rice and UH
Location:
Post: #17
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

I agree, and these are realistic expectations. Rice can be a consistent top 50 program, without question, and I feel strongly that we are headed in this direction.
07-23-2015 04:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
owl95 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,136
Joined: Sep 2010
Reputation: 28
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Top 25 or bust
(07-23-2015 04:16 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

I agree, and these are realistic expectations. Rice can be a consistent top 50 program, without question, and I feel strongly that we are headed in this direction.

Walt and Afflicted agreeing on expectations...we're definitely going to beat UT now! 05-stirthepot
07-23-2015 06:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OldOwl Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,315
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: -12
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:
Post: #19
RE: Top 25 or bust
It would be a miracle for us to beat Texas in Austin. Playing them at home may be a different story. I think all we can ask is to be in a position to win in the fourth quarter. if we are blown out by half, then it is time for a change.
(07-23-2015 06:46 PM)owl95 Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 04:16 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 12:48 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-23-2015 10:59 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season, although if he's to be extended again, it would certainly be before the 2018 season began, since you don't want to have a potential lame duck coach for recruiting purposes. I personally would be shocked if a Top 25 appearance was a stipulation for a renewed contract, but I suppose that's something to be debated on another thread and at another time.

I honestly don't think there's any debate here in this regard. The "top 25 ranking" in every sport is a goal; something to aspire to as part of our overall athletic vision. We've achieved it in baseball and women's tennis, but I'm not sure even Dr. K genuinely believes it's possible in the current FBS landscape of college football. In fact, I very much doubt it. However, it still should be something we aspire to as a goal. What Bailiff needs to do to keep is job long-term, IMHO, is to demonstrate that he can take us to the next level (beyond simply respectability within a lesser G5 conference). We need to start beating teams ranked in the Top 50 - 75, and start being at least somewhat competitive-- with occasional victories-- against teams ranked in the Top 50 (instead of Bailiff's record of being blown out in every one of those encounters throughout his 9 years at the helm). He does that, and I think most of us would be supportive of another contract extension as that would mean he's elevated the program to a Top 50 caliber team. I think such an improvement is realistic, and we should demand nothing less. (Though I know others think the program can achieve even greater heights, I'm not convinced given our size, academics requirements, conference affiliation and overall budget.)

I agree, and these are realistic expectations. Rice can be a consistent top 50 program, without question, and I feel strongly that we are headed in this direction.

Walt and Afflicted agreeing on expectations...we're definitely going to beat UT now! 05-stirthepot
07-23-2015 09:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Afflicted Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,249
Joined: Sep 2009
I Root For: Rice and UH
Location:
Post: #20
RE: Top 25 or bust
I don't think we'll beat Texas either. They'll be coming off a loss to Notre Dame and will be focused and ready to play. They aren't going to play around with us.
07-24-2015 10:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.