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Wayne should offer 16-year old French shortstop Melissa Mayeux
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1. 0/0 Siri is awesome

2. If you are ever in San Diego, do yourself a favor and visit Koalafornia at the SD Zoo. Amazing.
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Argh, that Siri 0/0 thing irritates the mathematician in me. That is to say, it irritates all of me. 0/0 isn't undefined, it's indeterminate. a/0 for nonzero values of a is undefined. Siri's text is correct but the explanation only tells you why you can't divide by zero, regardless of the numerator. (i.e. if you have no friends you can't divide the cookies amongst them, whether you actually have any cookies or not)

So you can add uselessness to Cookie Monster's despair.
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(07-27-2015 05:41 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  Argh, that Siri 0/0 thing irritates the mathematician in me. That is to say, it irritates all of me. 0/0 isn't undefined, it's indeterminate.

I see your point, but it strikes me that the distinction between "indeterminate" and "undefined" is more than a little esoteric -- and I'm a guy who likes and respects esoterica.
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(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:41 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  Argh, that Siri 0/0 thing irritates the mathematician in me. That is to say, it irritates all of me. 0/0 isn't undefined, it's indeterminate.

I see your point, but it strikes me that the distinction between "indeterminate" and "undefined" is more than a little esoteric -- and I'm a guy who likes and respects esoterica.

George, you're a lover of precision in language, so let's take a moment to look at what those words mean and how they relate to division - I think you might change your tune.

When we divide two numbers to get a result (quotient), what are we really doing? It's the inverse of multiplication; to say that a/b = x is to say that b*x = a. That is, we're saying "What number x must we multiply by b in order to get a?"

So why is dividing a nonzero number by zero undefined? There is no solution. You can't divide 3 by 0 because there's no number you can multiply by 0 to get 3. In equations, you'd say that 3/0 is undefined because if 3/0 = x, then 0*x = 3 and there's no finite value of x that can make that true.

Dividing zero by zero is a completely different story. It's not that there's no solution, it's that every number could be the solution! The value of 0/0 is indeterminate because if 0/0 = x, then 0*x=0, and that's true for every finite value of x!

Informally, think of it this way: "undefined" means the solution does not exist. "Indeterminate" means the solution cannot be identified. Big difference.
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(07-25-2015 10:55 AM)MrMxyzptlk Wrote:  Wayne should offer 16-year old French shortstop Melissa Mayeux

[Image: melissa-mayeux.jpg?w=600]

That's pretty cool. Hope she gets there someday!
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(07-27-2015 11:33 PM)MOBalum Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:41 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  Argh, that Siri 0/0 thing irritates the mathematician in me. That is to say, it irritates all of me. 0/0 isn't undefined, it's indeterminate.

I see your point, but it strikes me that the distinction between "indeterminate" and "undefined" is more than a little esoteric -- and I'm a guy who likes and respects esoterica.

George, you're a lover of precision in language, so let's take a moment to look at what those words mean and how they relate to division - I think you might change your tune.

When we divide two numbers to get a result (quotient), what are we really doing? It's the inverse of multiplication; to say that a/b = x is to say that b*x = a. That is, we're saying "What number x must we multiply by b in order to get a?"

So why is dividing a nonzero number by zero undefined? There is no solution. You can't divide 3 by 0 because there's no number you can multiply by 0 to get 3. In equations, you'd say that 3/0 is undefined because if 3/0 = x, then 0*x = 3 and there's no finite value of x that can make that true.

Dividing zero by zero is a completely different story. It's not that there's no solution, it's that every number could be the solution! The value of 0/0 is indeterminate because if 0/0 = x, then 0*x=0, and that's true for every finite value of x!

Informally, think of it this way: "undefined" means the solution does not exist. "Indeterminate" means the solution cannot be identified. Big difference.

That is good stuff -- even if it is on-topic to a prior post (as mine was as well)
:)
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(07-28-2015 08:33 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 11:33 PM)MOBalum Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 08:53 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:41 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  Argh, that Siri 0/0 thing irritates the mathematician in me. That is to say, it irritates all of me. 0/0 isn't undefined, it's indeterminate.

I see your point, but it strikes me that the distinction between "indeterminate" and "undefined" is more than a little esoteric -- and I'm a guy who likes and respects esoterica.

George, you're a lover of precision in language, so let's take a moment to look at what those words mean and how they relate to division - I think you might change your tune.

When we divide two numbers to get a result (quotient), what are we really doing? It's the inverse of multiplication; to say that a/b = x is to say that b*x = a. That is, we're saying "What number x must we multiply by b in order to get a?"

So why is dividing a nonzero number by zero undefined? There is no solution. You can't divide 3 by 0 because there's no number you can multiply by 0 to get 3. In equations, you'd say that 3/0 is undefined because if 3/0 = x, then 0*x = 3 and there's no finite value of x that can make that true.

Dividing zero by zero is a completely different story. It's not that there's no solution, it's that every number could be the solution! The value of 0/0 is indeterminate because if 0/0 = x, then 0*x=0, and that's true for every finite value of x!

Informally, think of it this way: "undefined" means the solution does not exist. "Indeterminate" means the solution cannot be identified. Big difference.

That is good stuff -- even if it is on-topic to a prior post (as mine was as well)
:)

I think it is OK to be on-topic for a short while, as long as you eventually wander away to a new topic, just like happens when friends are hanging out.
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(07-28-2015 08:33 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  That is good stuff -- even if it is on-topic to a prior post (as mine was as well)
:)

Apologies.

My feet have cracked soles because I've been wearing sandals all summer.
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(07-28-2015 09:25 AM)MOBalum Wrote:  My feet have cracked soles
because I've been wearing
sandals all summer.

Check this out: but for the one contraction, your post would be a haiku.
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(07-28-2015 09:53 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 09:25 AM)MOBalum Wrote:  My feet have cracked soles
because I've been wearing
sandals all summer.

Check this out: but for
the one contraction, your post
would be a haiku.

You'll have to do a slightly better job
Concealing your poetical intent.
I see the clever thing that you did there.
And FIFY, though it wasn't broke
But slyly written in the form of prose.
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(07-28-2015 11:06 AM)MOBalum Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 09:53 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 09:25 AM)MOBalum Wrote:  My feet have cracked soles
because I've been wearing
sandals all summer.

Check this out: but for
the one contraction, your post
would be a haiku.

You'll have to do a slightly better job
Concealing your poetical intent.
I see the clever thing that you did there.
And FIFY, though it wasn't broke
But slyly written in the form of prose.

Ouch, that is good. I would try to reply, but I'm drawing a blank :)
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Karen Blixen's former house in Kenya has a webcam
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(07-29-2015 10:43 AM)MrMxyzptlk Wrote:  Karen Blixen's former house in Kenya has a webcam
That is definitely an intelligent observation. After all:
A comment's
not stupid
when ponder-
ing Blixen.
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