Fox can't though. 4 Pac 12 games have to be in PRIME time on Fox. That's 8pm start. Fox won't air 10pm games because their network channels don't want it. They want their local news.

Also, FS2 is not an option at all. Fox has 2 channels- Big Fox and FS1. Period.

And you just show how much of a dumb **** you are. The Rose Bowl is on ESPN for the next 11 years guaranteed. They just signed the contract last year.

Two thoughts:

TV times can be added, moved around, pinched, whatever, to accommodate more time slots, to some extent.

I never understand why people from specific regions think they read things that the rest of us can't find on the internet.

I figure the key point is what the contract for the big 10, sec, pac 12 and ACC would be if they were all negotiated at the same time. If there is a massive gap that would be a problem but if the ACC is weak just because of time, than that isn't really a problem for the rich ACC school's…those school's aren't moving leagues because of waiting a few years to even things out.

(07-22-2015 08:24 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I figure the key point is what the contract for the big 10, sec, pac 12 and ACC would be if they were all negotiated at the same time. If there is a massive gap that would be a problem but if the ACC is weak just because of time, than that isn't really a problem for the rich ACC school's…those school's aren't moving leagues because of waiting a few years to even things out.

The problem with the ACC though is if they do nothing, they're going to be behind everyone for the next 10 years- but if they get a network from ESPN, ESPN will require in return the ACC giving them more years to the contract. The ACC is fundamentally behind the SEC and Big Ten.

And yes, if it was all done at the same time- SEC and Big Ten would be way ahead of everyone else.

(07-22-2015 08:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox can't though. 4 Pac 12 games have to be in PRIME time on Fox. That's 8pm start. Fox won't air 10pm games because their network channels don't want it. They want their local news.

Also, FS2 is not an option at all. Fox has 2 channels- Big Fox and FS1. Period.

And you just show how much of a dumb **** you are. The Rose Bowl is on ESPN for the next 11 years guaranteed. They just signed the contract last year.

Are you capable of civil discussion, or do you always resort to childish name calling when you get flustered?

I wasn't advocating that the Rose Bowl will or should break its contract with ESPN. Things happen over time. Perhaps the next Rose Bowl contract can be with FOX, if both the B1G and PAC are the primary partners with that network at that time.


If B1G and PAC games start being shown on FS2, of course it will become an option. People will demand it. FOX will require it, same as ESPN requires ESPN2.


The PAC can have the "prime" time game, at 6pm Pacific (8pm Central, 9pm Eastern). The B1G games will be over, by then.

Back to the original point, the Big 10 is in for a huge payday. They distributed $32M this year per school. Under the new TV deal, I expect that to approach $40M+.

Meanwhile, the ACC distributed $20M this year. While that will grow some over the length of the contract as the money is scaled up, they'll remain $10M per year per school behind the Big 10.

This has major implications.

(07-22-2015 08:36 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Back to the original point, the Big 10 is in for a huge payday. They distributed $32M this year per school. Under the new TV deal, I expect that to approach $40M+.

Meanwhile, the ACC distributed $20M this year. While that will grow some over the length of the contract as the money is scaled up, they'll remain $10M per year per school behind the Big 10.

This has major implications.

Not that this has any chance in heck of happening, but I for one would LOVE to get Georgia Tech into the B1G (and CIC). Great school. Great research, and most of it in non-life sciences (which is pretty rare).

Getting into Atlanta would also help the B1G negotiations.


But I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

Putting B1G and PAC games on FS2 obviously gives it some leverage to get that channel added pretty quick, at least in the conference footprints.

I doubt contracts between networks (FOX, ESPN, etc.) and distributors (Comcast, Verizon, Dish, etc.) are anything like the contracts between networks and conferences.

I'm sure they're pretty fluid and channels get added and dropped all the time.


As far as FOX (broadcast) goes, they can show the B1G in the noon east (9am pac) time slot, then either B1G or PAC in the 3pm east time slot and the PAC in the 5pm pac time slot.

It doesn't have to be completely homogeneous across the country. Different timezones can break for news. Plus it's a Saturday, not exactly the normal weekday news anyway.

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

9pm et is only 6pm pt and those night pac 12 games still have a good 1 to 3 hours before they are typically started.

One of the things they obviously do during these negotiations is figure out the amount of games they can show, times, and all of that stuff. That is why they negotiate all of this stuff.

FOX is expected to be the big winner.

(07-22-2015 08:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

Putting B1G and PAC games on FS2 obviously gives it some leverage to get that channel added pretty quick, at least in the conference footprints.

I doubt contracts between networks (FOX, ESPN, etc.) and distributors (Comcast, Verizon, Dish, etc.) are anything like the contracts between networks and conferences.

I'm sure they're pretty fluid and channels get added and dropped all the time.


As far as FOX (broadcast) goes, they can show the B1G in the noon east (9am pac) time slot, then either B1G or PAC in the 3pm east time slot and the PAC in the 5pm pac time slot.

It doesn't have to be completely homogeneous across the country. Different timezones can break for news. Plus it's a Saturday, not exactly the normal weekday news anyway.

The problem though is they also have the Big 12 as well(with 6 Big Fox required games). And MLB.

Also noon et starts generally just don't happen on networks. Lot of the country it's still morning. Also, for games in the central time zone, that's starting the game at 11am. Not the most popular thing in the world.

About the different timezones can break for news- that then wouldn't make it a national broadcast.

we already know that. That is why they have negotiations.

(07-22-2015 08:52 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

9pm et is only 6pm pt and those night pac 12 games still have a good 1 to 3 hours before they are typically started.

One of the things they obviously do during these negotiations is figure out the amount of games they can show, times, and all of that stuff. That is why they negotiate all of this stuff.

FOX is expected to be the big winner.

Fox isn't expected to be the big winner by most folks I've read. Most I've read it's very much up in the air. Maybe you could link the articles you are referring to- that would be nice.

(07-22-2015 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

Putting B1G and PAC games on FS2 obviously gives it some leverage to get that channel added pretty quick, at least in the conference footprints.

I doubt contracts between networks (FOX, ESPN, etc.) and distributors (Comcast, Verizon, Dish, etc.) are anything like the contracts between networks and conferences.

I'm sure they're pretty fluid and channels get added and dropped all the time.


As far as FOX (broadcast) goes, they can show the B1G in the noon east (9am pac) time slot, then either B1G or PAC in the 3pm east time slot and the PAC in the 5pm pac time slot.

It doesn't have to be completely homogeneous across the country. Different timezones can break for news. Plus it's a Saturday, not exactly the normal weekday news anyway.

The problem though is they also have the Big 12 as well(with 6 Big Fox required games). And MLB.

Also noon et starts generally just don't happen on networks. Lot of the country it's still morning. Also, for games in the central time zone, that's starting the game at 11am. Not the most popular thing in the world.

About the different timezones can break for news- that then wouldn't make it a national broadcast.

Then ESPN isn't doing national broadcasts for their big games. They slice it up into regional coverage between three games. Ie, in the footprint of the teams they get it on ABC and the other games are on ESPN and ESPN2.

FOX could do the same with FS1 and FS2.


1130 - 1230 ET start times are a common slot. Perhaps not the biggest games, but they do have them every week. http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/2

FOX has the best relationship with the B1G, owns basically half of BTN, owns the conference title game, and many articles have been written about FOX-B1G relationship and contract chances.

Maybe you are thinking of the "up in the air" in regards to how much content each network gets. That isn't going to be known until they are negotating things after the initial bids are placed.

The relationship between the B1G and ESPN is becoming more and more strained as time passes. ESPN is still made about the B1G going with FOX for BTN and employees of ESPN have admitted that to be the case.

(07-22-2015 08:41 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I would LOVE to get Georgia Tech into the B1G (and CIC). Great school. Great research, and most of it in non-life sciences (which is pretty rare).

Getting into Atlanta would also help the B1G negotiations.

TV Markets (Big 10 Markets in Red)
1 New York 7.4M
2 Los Angeles 5.5M
3 Chicago 3.5M
4 Philadelphia 3.0M
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2.6M
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2.5M
7 Boston (Manchester) 2.4M
8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2.4M
9 Atlanta 2.3M
10 Houston 2.3M
11 Phoenix (Prescott) 1.8M
12 Detroit 1.8M
13 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1.8M
14 Seattle-Tacoma 1.8M
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1.7M

Adding Georgia Tech and Houston (another school with a decent amount of non-life science research) would give the Big 10 coverage in 8 of the Top 15 TV markets.

(07-22-2015 09:03 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  FOX has the best relationship with the B1G, owns basically half of BTN, owns the conference title game, and many articles have been written about FOX-B1G relationship and contract chances.

Maybe you are thinking of the "up in the air" in regards to how much content each network gets. That isn't going to be known until they are negotating things after the initial bids are placed.

The relationship between the B1G and ESPN is becoming more and more strained as time passes. ESPN is still made about the B1G going with FOX for BTN and employees of ESPN have admitted that to be the case.

Can you post something?

(07-22-2015 08:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You guys realize that the Pacific timezone is three and two hours behind the Eastern and Central timezones, right?

That's how FOX can air B1G and PAC games. FOX, FS1 and FS2 can work exactly like ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, with national/regional coverage areas.

And then you just stagger the game start times, appropriate to the timezone.


Seems pretty reasonable to me, stever.

You're just worried that the SEC will be left in the dust. Don't worry, you'll get a big pay raise from CBS and ESPN going "all in" on the SEC (with leftovers for the ACC).

And viola, back to the correct partnerships: B1G & PAC and then the southern leagues together. Rose Bowl on FOX and Sugar and Orange bowls will be SEC v ACC affairs, on CBS and ESPN.

10:30 pm eastern games aren't worth a whole lot.

(07-22-2015 09:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The networks want the latest games to be starting at 8pm. So 9pm et starts are not an option for Big Fox. Big Fox has 3 slots maximum- and I really seriously doubt that they are going to start showing 3 games every Saturday......

One big problem that Fox has is that FS2- if they're getting the .99 cents per person for FS1, that means they just redid all those contracts. So it's going to be a while before Fox would have the leverage to force FS2.

I think NBC is a pretty interesting thought.

Putting B1G and PAC games on FS2 obviously gives it some leverage to get that channel added pretty quick, at least in the conference footprints.

I doubt contracts between networks (FOX, ESPN, etc.) and distributors (Comcast, Verizon, Dish, etc.) are anything like the contracts between networks and conferences.

I'm sure they're pretty fluid and channels get added and dropped all the time.


As far as FOX (broadcast) goes, they can show the B1G in the noon east (9am pac) time slot, then either B1G or PAC in the 3pm east time slot and the PAC in the 5pm pac time slot.

It doesn't have to be completely homogeneous across the country. Different timezones can break for news. Plus it's a Saturday, not exactly the normal weekday news anyway.

The problem though is they also have the Big 12 as well(with 6 Big Fox required games). And MLB.

Also noon et starts generally just don't happen on networks. Lot of the country it's still morning. Also, for games in the central time zone, that's starting the game at 11am. Not the most popular thing in the world.

About the different timezones can break for news- that then wouldn't make it a national broadcast.

Then ESPN isn't doing national broadcasts for their big games. They slice it up into regional coverage between three games. Ie, in the footprint of the teams they get it on ABC and the other games are on ESPN and ESPN2.

FOX could do the same with FS1 and FS2.


1130 - 1230 ET start times are a common slot. Perhaps not the biggest games, but they do have them every week. http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/2

Fox can't do regional games as much though. They are REQUIRED to have 8 Pac 12 games on Big Fox and REQUIRED to have 6 Big 12 games on Big Fox. So there's 14 slots that Fox CAN NOT use at all.

Just look at the week 1 games this season.....2 1030pm ET games and one 11ET game. Those are Pac 12 games.