http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

It's a nice apples to apples comparison, although, the Big 12 tier 3 rights isn't included. Even if you just use the 15 million for the LHN and divide that by 10, it pushes the Big 12 into 3rd.

The real question is when the gap between the SEC and the rest (or the Big 10 and the SEC and the rest) becomes enough to get schools to move (should those conference choose to expand). Teams in the ACC would theoretically get a 50% increase in revenue by moving to the SEC, according to this data. Is that enough of a gradient?

(07-21-2015 03:22 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

It's a nice apples to apples comparison, although, the Big 12 tier 3 rights isn't included. Even if you just use the 15 million for the LHN and divide that by 10, it pushes the Big 12 into 3rd.

The real question is when the gap between the SEC and the rest (or the Big 10 and the SEC and the rest) becomes enough to get schools to move (should those conference choose to expand). Teams in the ACC would theoretically get a 50% increase in revenue by moving to the SEC, according to this data. Is that enough of a gradient?

I think that's the big question for Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Florida State.

The big thing as well for the ACC- this year was a high water year for them. This upcoming year, they lose 27.5 million while SEC gains 12.5 million, and B10,B12,P12 gain 40 million. Next year, ACC is at 0 quite possibly, while SEC gains 12.5 million, and B10,B12,P12 gain 40 million- and then either SEC/B10 gain 27.5 million.

To me, a better question is when does the SEC make enough money that it becomes viable to become a megaconference? When can it simply double down on its TV content and bring in the Big 12 AND the ACC teams south of the Potomac AND still make more money by having a SEC TV channel for each division?

They wouldn't even need to schedule OOC any more. Just play somebody in a far away division for a change up. Get your obligatory FCS in state cupcake then 10 or 11 conference games. This megaconference already includes all previously intra-conference in state rivalries, so that becomes a non-issue.

The B1G and Pac-12 would finally cement their Pasadena love affair and join together in response.

Im sure the Big 12 and ACC south teams would love to be absorbed by the SEC here in the next few years...but why?

All we need is is what we've always needed: some combo of UNC/NC State/Duke/UVA/VT to get us into VA/NC, add another Florida in terms of population to the footprint and money printer and then call it done for realignment.

No muss, no fuss, no Southern Conference part 2

I'm not surprised that the ACC is 5th or that the SEC is first.

I'm surprised that the non-football Big East is bigger than most of the G5.

(07-21-2015 03:54 PM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  I'm not surprised that the ACC is 5th or that the SEC is first.

I'm surprised that the non-football Big East is bigger than most of the G5.

Most, not all. AAC still the biggest G5. Fox overpaid for BE content.

(07-21-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Im sure the Big 12 and ACC south teams would love to be absorbed by the SEC here in the next few years...but why?

All we need is is what we've always needed: some combo of UNC/NC State/Duke/UVA/VT to get us into VA/NC, add another Florida in terms of population to the footprint and money printer and then call it done for realignment.

No muss, no fuss, no Southern Conference part 2

You have to cobble together enough pieces to make that split viable. And that won't be easy. Also, you're basically handing the B1G what you don't take... and I'm not sure having the B1G in the deep south is in your long term self interest.

(07-21-2015 03:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  To me, a better question is when does the SEC make enough money that it becomes viable to become a megaconference? When can it simply double down on its TV content and bring in the Big 12 AND the ACC teams south of the Potomac AND still make more money by having a SEC TV channel for each division?

They wouldn't even need to schedule OOC any more. Just play somebody in a far away division for a change up. Get your obligatory FCS in state cupcake then 10 or 11 conference games. This megaconference already includes all previously intra-conference in state rivalries, so that becomes a non-issue.

The B1G and Pac-12 would finally cement their Pasadena love affair and join together in response.

I still like Dabo's solution for the 7th home game. He suggested we move the Spring game to the 3rd week of August and schedule an FCS or lower tier FBS school for a preseason game, but one where the home ticket is sold as the first game in the book. Then play all 12 P4 or conference games 6 home 6 away or neutral sites if you must. With a move in that direction all P4 schools could sell season ticket books with 7 games and we end the ridiculous scrimmage games in April and May that interfere with baseball season.

(07-21-2015 04:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I still like Dabo's solution for the 7th home game. He suggested we move the Spring game to the 3rd week of August and schedule an FCS or lower tier FBS school for a preseason game, but one where the home ticket is sold as the first game in the book. Then play all 12 P4 or conference games 6 home 6 away or neutral sites if you must. With a move in that direction all P4 schools could sell season ticket books with 7 games and we end the ridiculous scrimmage games in April and May that interfere with baseball season.

I'm good with that.

(07-21-2015 04:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Im sure the Big 12 and ACC south teams would love to be absorbed by the SEC here in the next few years...but why?

All we need is is what we've always needed: some combo of UNC/NC State/Duke/UVA/VT to get us into VA/NC, add another Florida in terms of population to the footprint and money printer and then call it done for realignment.

No muss, no fuss, no Southern Conference part 2

You have to cobble together enough pieces to make that split viable. And that won't be easy. Also, you're basically handing the B1G what you don't take... and I'm not sure having the B1G in the deep south is in your long term self interest.

Not necessarily.

Let's say the B1G invites GT. After all GT is a newly minted AAU (congrats!) and one of the finest engineering schools in the country.

But who is GT gonna be playing every fall? A few former ACC schools the B1G might acquire along with GT and then a bunch of northern/midwest schools.

Are the people of Atlanta really gonna turn off UGA vs Tennessee or South Carolina vs Auburn to watch GT vs Iowa or Clemson vs Indiana?

The only ACC school I see as a good defensive move for the SEC is Florida State as the Noles are great ratings good years or bad and everyone would tune in to watch FSU play in the SEC.

(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

The article very clearly states that it is NOT comparing conference disbursements to schools.

It's also unclear if they divided total ACC revenues by 14 or 15.

It won't change the figures much, but you should get your facts straight.

(07-21-2015 04:36 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 04:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Im sure the Big 12 and ACC south teams would love to be absorbed by the SEC here in the next few years...but why?

All we need is is what we've always needed: some combo of UNC/NC State/Duke/UVA/VT to get us into VA/NC, add another Florida in terms of population to the footprint and money printer and then call it done for realignment.

No muss, no fuss, no Southern Conference part 2

You have to cobble together enough pieces to make that split viable. And that won't be easy. Also, you're basically handing the B1G what you don't take... and I'm not sure having the B1G in the deep south is in your long term self interest.

Not necessarily.

Let's say the B1G invites GT. After all GT is a newly minted AAU (congrats!) and one of the finest engineering schools in the country.

But who is GT gonna be playing every fall? A few former ACC schools the B1G might acquire along with GT and then a bunch of northern/midwest schools.

Are the people of Atlanta really gonna turn off UGA vs Tennessee or South Carolina vs Auburn to watch GT vs Iowa or Clemson vs Indiana?

The only ACC school I see as a good defensive move for the SEC is Florida State as the Noles are great ratings good years or bad and everyone would tune in to watch FSU play in the SEC.

Silly comparison.

Are people in Atlanta going to watch Ole Miss vs Vandy and Miss State vs Arky or GT vs OSU and Clemson vs Michigan?

Shalini Ramachandran ‏@ShaliniWSJ 47m47 minutes ago
FCC is poised to approve AT&T's $49B deal to buy DirecTV. Chairman Wheeler set to circulate order. Story coming to @wsj from @tgryta $T $DTV


Jon Wilner ‏@wilnerhotline 16m16 minutes ago
IF @Pac12Networks are on DTV basic w/in league footprint, could mean $2.5 - $3 million more per school annually.

(07-21-2015 04:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

The article very clearly states that it is NOT comparing conference disbursements to schools.

It's also unclear if they divided total ACC revenues by 14 or 15.

It won't change the figures much, but you should get your facts straight.

I did. On the second page it mentioned the SEC disbursements were 31.2 million. I dinged our total by 2.8 million to preclude silly arguments. Ours was listed as a disbursement after the full totals were given. The 22 million for the ACC was a bit more that what was actually distributed too. But I gave the benefit of the doubt to the other conferences and chose to go with the lower number for the SEC. You can't please everybody can you!

(07-21-2015 03:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Im sure the Big 12 and ACC south teams would love to be absorbed by the SEC here in the next few years...but why?

All we need is is what we've always needed: some combo of UNC/NC State/Duke/UVA/VT to get us into VA/NC, add another Florida in terms of population to the footprint and money printer and then call it done for realignment.

No muss, no fuss, no Southern Conference part 2

That is "Southern Conference part 2". And might also lead to a split. Once you have a conference that large, some people are going to start thinking about making more money or having a "more like minded" group of 10 instead of 20.

That's why I've said some of the less-powerful schools in the SEC or Big Ten ought to be very careful of the potential consequences before voting to expand their conferences any further. They might eventually find themselves "holding the bag" like the schools left in the WAC after the original MWC eight bailed out on them.

For example, after making another addition to the SEC, an obvious break-off group of 10 would be something like

Florida
Florida St
Georgia
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Va Tech

A similar "eastern break-off" could happen if the Big Ten instead added a few ACC schools. It might just be the Big Ten east division + UNC, UVa, and VT:

North Carolina
Virginia
Va Tech
Maryland
Penn St
Rutgers
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana

(07-21-2015 05:08 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Shalini Ramachandran ‏@ShaliniWSJ 47m47 minutes ago
FCC is poised to approve AT&T's $49B deal to buy DirecTV. Chairman Wheeler set to circulate order. Story coming to @wsj from @tgryta $T $DTV


Jon Wilner ‏@wilnerhotline 16m16 minutes ago
IF @Pac12Networks are on DTV basic w/in league footprint, could mean $2.5 - $3 million more per school annually.

That's nice for them but it still lags the leaders.

(07-21-2015 05:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 04:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ge-sports/

Who knows for how long? Maybe 2 years, maybe longer since we expect a fairly substantial bump in May of 2017, but for now read 'em and weep!

Over on page two Forbes establishes in no uncertain terms that the ACC is 5th among P5 in total revenues distributed per school as generated from their tracked sources.

According to Forbes the ACC is 9.2 million behind the SEC in distributed revenue for 2015.

The article very clearly states that it is NOT comparing conference disbursements to schools.

It's also unclear if they divided total ACC revenues by 14 or 15.

It won't change the figures much, but you should get your facts straight.

I did. On the second page it mentioned the SEC disbursements were 31.2 million. I dinged our total by 2.8 million to preclude silly arguments. Ours was listed as a disbursement after the full totals were given. The 22 million for the ACC was a bit more that what was actually distributed too. But I gave the benefit of the doubt to the other conferences and chose to go with the lower number for the SEC. You can't please everybody can you!

You're privy to what the ACC disbursed for 2014-15?

Would be nice when people write these type of articles that they get the information right. His B1G numbers are wrong.

And also, we don't know all of the ACC distribution numbers.

(07-21-2015 05:20 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Would be nice when people write these type of articles that they get the information right. His B1G numbers are wrong.

And also, we don't know all of the ACC distribution numbers.

They are NOT distribution numbers. smh