(07-22-2015 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 02:51 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  What Portland State SHOULD be doing, is trying to join the Big West and sell them on restarting football at the FCS level - while leaving open the possibility of becoming an FBS conference once more . Would reduce travel costs significantly.

The hypothetical Big West FCS members goes something like this:

PSU (full member)
UC Davis (leave the Big Sky)
Cal Poly (leave the Big Sky)
USD (football-only; all other sports remain in the WCC)
Northern Arizona (fb-only; all other sports to the WAC)
Eastern Washington (fb-only; all other sports to the WAC)
Sacramento State (fb-only; all other sports except men's soccer to the WAC)


Yes it's far-fetched, but at least it's somewhat plausible and different than what has been thrown around here. Then if several of these schools still have the itch to move up to FBS at a later date, they can do it under a still geographically compact Big West banner. NMSU and Idaho (and perhaps a Fresno State) would be all ears.

Why not, right?

I could see Portland and the Calif. schools, but for some reason I feel like Eastern Wash and Northern Ariz. would want to stay in the Big Sky.

EWU and NAU would cut some costs if they helped the Big West revive football (even as fb-onlies), and Portland State would really benefit by joining as a full member by cutting down on travel expenses and time with eight conference opponents in California. NAU and EWU can respectively partner up with Grand Canyon and Seattle in the WAC.


Look at the Big Sky map. Currently it's a 13/12 setup. 13 football teams is far too many as there's no conference championship game held. Then there are the travel costs currently involved. Its membership stretches from as far south as Flagstaff, AZ (NAU) to as far north and east as Grand Forks, (North Dakota). That's a lot of ground to cover for an FCS conference which has also never earned an at-large bid to the NCAAs in basketball.

You could add Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific for the Big West.

Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Northern Arizona

Long Beach State could be looking at restarting their football program.
East Bay State could add football as well.

That is 9.

Dixie State and Southern Utah could be travel partners.

Western Oregon could slide in to be with Portland State.


Big Sky
Western Washington dropped football. It was said that they dropped football to start saving money to move to D1 in the future and they could readd the sport down the world.

Central Washington Could go with Eastern Washington.

Simon Fraser would be the first team in Canada to move up from D2.

South Dakota Mines could be there for North Dakota.

Carroll, Montana is rumored to join GNAC in a few years. Top football school in NAIA.

Colorado-Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo are 2 that are rumored that they could go to D1.

If you get a New Mexico school? New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas could help out there.

Southern Oregon and Eastern Oregon could join up.

Arizona Christian

College of Idaho

Montana Tech

Montana Western

MSU-Northern

Rocky Mountain

All could be candidates.

Menlo dropped football, so they are out.

That has to be the single most idiotic post ever on this board

What's next - College of Faith to the SEC?

What I am saying is that Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are outliers in D2 for football. Portland State, Northern Colorado and North Dakota are outliers as well.

Merge the GNAC and Big Sky and you would get.

California:
Cal-Poly
Cal._Davis
Sacramento State
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Arizona:
Northern Arizona
Arizona Christian

New Mexico:
New Mexico Highlands

Colorado:
Northern Colorado
Colorado-Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo

North Dakota/South Dakota:
North Dakota
South Dakota Mines

Utah:
Weber State
Southern Utah
Dixie State

Montana and Montana State
Idaho State and College of Idaho

Washington:
Eastern Washington
Central Washington
Western Washington when they readd football down the road.

Oregon:
Portland State
Western Oregon

Canada:
Simon Fraser

The problem with both GNAC and the Big Sky is that they are stretch far apart.
Merging them with a couple of NAIA schools could help the conference fill in the gaps in football and other sports. That means the Big Sky could creat 2 conferences for football, and 1 for all other sports.

(07-22-2015 12:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I could see Portland and the Calif. schools, but for some reason I feel like Eastern Wash and Northern Ariz. would want to stay in the Big Sky.

EWU and NAU would cut some costs if they helped the Big West revive football (even as fb-onlies), and Portland State would really benefit by joining as a full member by cutting down on travel expenses and time with eight conference opponents in California. NAU and EWU can respectively partner up with Grand Canyon and Seattle in the WAC.


Look at the Big Sky map. Currently it's a 13/12 setup. 13 football teams is far too many as there's no conference championship game held. Then there are the travel costs currently involved. Its membership stretches from as far south as Flagstaff, AZ (NAU) to as far north and east as Grand Forks, (North Dakota). That's a lot of ground to cover for an FCS conference which has also never earned an at-large bid to the NCAAs in basketball.

You could add Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific for the Big West.

Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Northern Arizona

Long Beach State could be looking at restarting their football program.
East Bay State could add football as well.

That is 9.

Dixie State and Southern Utah could be travel partners.

Western Oregon could slide in to be with Portland State.


Big Sky
Western Washington dropped football. It was said that they dropped football to start saving money to move to D1 in the future and they could readd the sport down the world.

Central Washington Could go with Eastern Washington.

Simon Fraser would be the first team in Canada to move up from D2.

South Dakota Mines could be there for North Dakota.

Carroll, Montana is rumored to join GNAC in a few years. Top football school in NAIA.

Colorado-Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo are 2 that are rumored that they could go to D1.

If you get a New Mexico school? New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas could help out there.

Southern Oregon and Eastern Oregon could join up.

Arizona Christian

College of Idaho

Montana Tech

Montana Western

MSU-Northern

Rocky Mountain

All could be candidates.

Menlo dropped football, so they are out.

That has to be the single most idiotic post ever on this board

What's next - College of Faith to the SEC?

What I am saying is that Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are outliers in D2 for football. Portland State, Northern Colorado and North Dakota are outliers as well.

Merge the GNAC and Big Sky and you would get.

California:
Cal-Poly
Cal._Davis
Sacramento State
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Arizona:
Northern Arizona
Arizona Christian

New Mexico:
New Mexico Highlands

Colorado:
Northern Colorado
Colorado-Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo

North Dakota/South Dakota:
North Dakota
South Dakota Mines

Utah:
Weber State
Southern Utah
Dixie State

Montana and Montana State
Idaho State and College of Idaho

Washington:
Eastern Washington
Central Washington
Western Washington when they readd football down the road.

Oregon:
Portland State
Western Oregon

Canada:
Simon Fraser

The problem with both GNAC and the Big Sky is that they are stretch far apart.
Merging them with a couple of NAIA schools could help the conference fill in the gaps in football and other sports. That means the Big Sky could creat 2 conferences for football, and 1 for all other sports.

Yes, and Arizona Christian with 600 students is D-1 material. Get a grip. Some schools are just fine in NAIA, DII, etc.

And you realize don't you that it would take a decade for a NAIA school to transition to DI?

Big Sky has existed since 1960. NAU has been in it since 1970. It works well as is.

(07-22-2015 12:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  EWU and NAU would cut some costs if they helped the Big West revive football (even as fb-onlies), and Portland State would really benefit by joining as a full member by cutting down on travel expenses and time with eight conference opponents in California. NAU and EWU can respectively partner up with Grand Canyon and Seattle in the WAC.


Look at the Big Sky map. Currently it's a 13/12 setup. 13 football teams is far too many as there's no conference championship game held. Then there are the travel costs currently involved. Its membership stretches from as far south as Flagstaff, AZ (NAU) to as far north and east as Grand Forks, (North Dakota). That's a lot of ground to cover for an FCS conference which has also never earned an at-large bid to the NCAAs in basketball.

You could add Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific for the Big West.

Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Northern Arizona

Long Beach State could be looking at restarting their football program.
East Bay State could add football as well.

That is 9.

Dixie State and Southern Utah could be travel partners.

Western Oregon could slide in to be with Portland State.


Big Sky
Western Washington dropped football. It was said that they dropped football to start saving money to move to D1 in the future and they could readd the sport down the world.

Central Washington Could go with Eastern Washington.

Simon Fraser would be the first team in Canada to move up from D2.

South Dakota Mines could be there for North Dakota.

Carroll, Montana is rumored to join GNAC in a few years. Top football school in NAIA.

Colorado-Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo are 2 that are rumored that they could go to D1.

If you get a New Mexico school? New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas could help out there.

Southern Oregon and Eastern Oregon could join up.

Arizona Christian

College of Idaho

Montana Tech

Montana Western

MSU-Northern

Rocky Mountain

All could be candidates.

Menlo dropped football, so they are out.

That has to be the single most idiotic post ever on this board

What's next - College of Faith to the SEC?

What I am saying is that Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are outliers in D2 for football. Portland State, Northern Colorado and North Dakota are outliers as well.

Merge the GNAC and Big Sky and you would get.

California:
Cal-Poly
Cal._Davis
Sacramento State
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Arizona:
Northern Arizona
Arizona Christian

New Mexico:
New Mexico Highlands

Colorado:
Northern Colorado
Colorado-Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo

North Dakota/South Dakota:
North Dakota
South Dakota Mines

Utah:
Weber State
Southern Utah
Dixie State

Montana and Montana State
Idaho State and College of Idaho

Washington:
Eastern Washington
Central Washington
Western Washington when they readd football down the road.

Oregon:
Portland State
Western Oregon

Canada:
Simon Fraser

The problem with both GNAC and the Big Sky is that they are stretch far apart.
Merging them with a couple of NAIA schools could help the conference fill in the gaps in football and other sports. That means the Big Sky could creat 2 conferences for football, and 1 for all other sports.

Yes, and Arizona Christian with 600 students is D-1 material. Get a grip. Some schools are just fine in NAIA, DII, etc.

And you realize don't you that it would take a decade for a NAIA school to transition to DI?

Big Sky has existed since 1960. NAU has been in it since 1970. It works well as is.

Houston Baptist went straight from NAIA to D1. So, your arguement about NAIA schools are out the window.

The NCAA changed the rule after that - they have to go through D2 now.

And HBU was previously a DI school.

(07-22-2015 12:44 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The NCAA changed the rule after that - they have to go through D2 now.

And HBU was previously a DI school.

So was Oklahoma City U. They are stuck.

I do think NCAA could make some exceptions. Arizona Christian's closest school that played football was Menlo. Since Menlo dropped football? They have no travel partners. If Zoubida Cole college getsc their accredidation in order and gets accepted to NAIA? Then, their football team would be closer in Denver.

Lol. You guys are about ready to have the NW Portland Drivers Ed School and Tire Center going FBS if this thread lasts much longer.

(07-22-2015 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lol. You guys are about ready to have the NW Portland Drivers Ed School and Tire Center going FBS if this thread lasts much longer.

Now that's crazy talk. Everyone knows the Racers disbanded their athletic program last year.

(07-22-2015 08:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lol. You guys are about ready to have the NW Portland Drivers Ed School and Tire Center going FBS if this thread lasts much longer.

Now that's crazy talk. Everyone knows the Racers disbanded their athletic program last year.

It is a done deal. Pres is paid to lie about real plans until it actually happens

so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

(07-22-2015 08:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

You lost me when yoi added fresno state as an option. Besides ewu has closer opponents in big sky with at least 6 teams being bus rides away

(07-22-2015 12:33 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 12:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 08:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 03:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  EWU and NAU would cut some costs if they helped the Big West revive football (even as fb-onlies), and Portland State would really benefit by joining as a full member by cutting down on travel expenses and time with eight conference opponents in California. NAU and EWU can respectively partner up with Grand Canyon and Seattle in the WAC.


Look at the Big Sky map. Currently it's a 13/12 setup. 13 football teams is far too many as there's no conference championship game held. Then there are the travel costs currently involved. Its membership stretches from as far south as Flagstaff, AZ (NAU) to as far north and east as Grand Forks, (North Dakota). That's a lot of ground to cover for an FCS conference which has also never earned an at-large bid to the NCAAs in basketball.

You could add Humboldt State and Azusa Pacific for the Big West.

Humboldt State
Azusa Pacific
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Northern Arizona

Long Beach State could be looking at restarting their football program.
East Bay State could add football as well.

That is 9.

Dixie State and Southern Utah could be travel partners.

Western Oregon could slide in to be with Portland State.


Big Sky
Western Washington dropped football. It was said that they dropped football to start saving money to move to D1 in the future and they could readd the sport down the world.

Central Washington Could go with Eastern Washington.

Simon Fraser would be the first team in Canada to move up from D2.

South Dakota Mines could be there for North Dakota.

Carroll, Montana is rumored to join GNAC in a few years. Top football school in NAIA.

Colorado-Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo are 2 that are rumored that they could go to D1.

If you get a New Mexico school? New Mexico Highlands in Las Vegas could help out there.

Southern Oregon and Eastern Oregon could join up.

Arizona Christian

College of Idaho

Montana Tech

Montana Western

MSU-Northern

Rocky Mountain

All could be candidates.

Menlo dropped football, so they are out.

That has to be the single most idiotic post ever on this board

What's next - College of Faith to the SEC?

What I am saying is that Humboldt State, Azusa Pacific and Dixie State are outliers in D2 for football. Portland State, Northern Colorado and North Dakota are outliers as well.

Merge the GNAC and Big Sky and you would get.

California:
Cal-Poly
Cal._Davis
Sacramento State
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Arizona:
Northern Arizona
Arizona Christian

New Mexico:
New Mexico Highlands

Colorado:
Northern Colorado
Colorado-Mesa
Colorado State-Pueblo

North Dakota/South Dakota:
North Dakota
South Dakota Mines

Utah:
Weber State
Southern Utah
Dixie State

Montana and Montana State
Idaho State and College of Idaho

Washington:
Eastern Washington
Central Washington
Western Washington when they readd football down the road.

Oregon:
Portland State
Western Oregon

Canada:
Simon Fraser

The problem with both GNAC and the Big Sky is that they are stretch far apart.
Merging them with a couple of NAIA schools could help the conference fill in the gaps in football and other sports. That means the Big Sky could creat 2 conferences for football, and 1 for all other sports.

Yes, and Arizona Christian with 600 students is D-1 material. Get a grip. Some schools are just fine in NAIA, DII, etc.

And you realize don't you that it would take a decade for a NAIA school to transition to DI?

Big Sky has existed since 1960. NAU has been in it since 1970. It works well as is.

Similar to my 65 team Big Sky conference .

(07-22-2015 09:05 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

You lost me when yoi added fresno state as an option. Besides ewu has closer opponents in big sky with at least 6 teams being bus rides away

Why does it matter how many football programs the BSC has.
Four or five could make the playoffs.
The members can play each other out of conference.

(07-22-2015 08:14 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lol. You guys are about ready to have the NW Portland Drivers Ed School and Tire Center going FBS if this thread lasts much longer.

Now that's crazy talk. Everyone knows the Racers disbanded their athletic program last year.

It is a done deal. Pres is paid to lie about real plans until it actually happens

Yeah, Rutgers, Maryland, A&M, Nebraska, Mizzou, Colorado, etc had press conferences as soon as there were contacted to make a move. My mistake

(07-22-2015 09:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:05 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

You lost me when yoi added fresno state as an option. Besides ewu has closer opponents in big sky with at least 6 teams being bus rides away

Why does it matter how many football programs the BSC has.
Four or five could make the playoffs.
The members can play each other out of conference.

It matters because the real money at FCS level is made in basketball. A conference with more than 12 members at FCS is beyond asinine for basketball. FCS is a guaranteed lose for all teams.

(07-22-2015 09:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:05 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

You lost me when yoi added fresno state as an option. Besides ewu has closer opponents in big sky with at least 6 teams being bus rides away

Why does it matter how many football programs the BSC has.
Four or five could make the playoffs.
The members can play each other out of conference.

It matters because the real money at FCS level is made in basketball. A conference with more than 12 members at FCS is beyond asinine for basketball. FCS is a guaranteed lose for all teams.

and the Big Sky has never earned an at-large bid for basketball to the NCAAs in its history

(07-22-2015 09:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:11 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 09:05 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:29 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  so I take it a Big Sky split with several members playing football under the Big West banner isn't exactly a popular idea huh?

You lost me when yoi added fresno state as an option. Besides ewu has closer opponents in big sky with at least 6 teams being bus rides away

Why does it matter how many football programs the BSC has.
Four or five could make the playoffs.
The members can play each other out of conference.

It matters because the real money at FCS level is made in basketball. A conference with more than 12 members at FCS is beyond asinine for basketball. FCS is a guaranteed lose for all teams.

and the Big Sky has never earned an at-large bid for basketball to the NCAAs in its history

Which makes more than 12 assinine, like I said.

Billings, a revived BW football conference would be better off if Eastern Washington was in it as the 7th member. But as long as it has an auto bid to the FCS playoffs, it can still work.

UC Davis
Cal Poly
Portland State
San Diego (fb-only)
Sac State (fb-only)
Northern Arizona / Southern Utah / Eastern Washington / (fb-only).

It won't cost the current BW members anything except for additional flights to Portland, since the other members are football-onlies. 10 members with four Cal States, four UCs, Portland State and Hawaii.

The WAC needs warm bodies and would gladly add Sac State and whoever else needs a basketball home amongst NAU /SUU /EWU.

Ewu biggest crowds are when they play the montana schools. Add in ewu rides a bus to um, msu, isu, weber, and portland state. You leave ewu with only one conference trip that could be a bus ride

(07-22-2015 09:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:14 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 08:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-22-2015 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lol. You guys are about ready to have the NW Portland Drivers Ed School and Tire Center going FBS if this thread lasts much longer.

Now that's crazy talk. Everyone knows the Racers disbanded their athletic program last year.

It is a done deal. Pres is paid to lie about real plans until it actually happens

Yeah, Rutgers, Maryland, A&M, Nebraska, Mizzou, Colorado, etc had press conferences as soon as there were contacted to make a move. My mistake

They never flat out said we cant afford it and it is not an option like msu and others in the big sky have either. Apples and oranges on the type of move. Keep reaching though

You dont really think fresno or sjsu would leave the mwc for that do you?