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Massey G5 Conference Rankings
OK, since some of you are not interested in passing the summer with the fun provided by the Sentinel, and apparently want to have a more serious conversation, here are the G5 conference average rankings according to Massey. I have also included the highest ranked team and its rank for each conference.

It looks like Massey believes the Mountain West and AAC will be fighting it out for G5 supremacy while CUSA will be leading the chase from the middle of the pack.

MWC 85.83 BOISE STATE 25
AAC 86.58 CINCINATTI 46
CUSA 96.15 MARSHALL 38
MAC 102.85 NORTHERN ILLINOIS 55
SBC 108.73 GEORGIA SOUTHERN 71

For those interested, here are the C-USA rankings.

CUSA

38 MARSHALL
54 LA TECH
69 WESTERN KENTUCKY
74 RICE
89 MIDDLE TENNESSEE
95 UTEP
98 OLD DOMINION
105 NORTH TEXAS
110 UTSA
112 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
113 FLORIDA INTL
117 SOUTHERN MISS
125 CHARLOTTE

Have at it! 04-cheers
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MASSEY G5 CONFERENCE RANKINGS
This looks like copy paste from end of last year - except we lose points trading bowl eligible UAB for newbie Charlotte. And AAC gained by adding Navy.
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(07-18-2015 07:20 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  OK, since some of you are not interested in passing the summer with the fun provided by the Sentinel, and apparently want to have a more serious conversation, here are the G5 conference average rankings according to Massey. I have also included the highest ranked team and its rank for each conference.

It looks like Massey believes the Mountain West and AAC will be fighting it out for G5 supremacy while CUSA will be leading the chase from the middle of the pack.

MWC 85.83 BOISE STATE 25
AAC 86.58 CINCINATTI 46
CUSA 96.15 MARSHALL 38
MAC 102.85 NORTHERN ILLINOIS 55
SBC 108.73 GEORGIA SOUTHERN 71

For those interested, here are the C-USA rankings.

CUSA

38 MARSHALL
54 LA TECH
69 WESTERN KENTUCKY
74 RICE
89 MIDDLE TENNESSEE
95 UTEP
98 OLD DOMINION
105 NORTH TEXAS
110 UTSA
112 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
113 FLORIDA INTL
117 SOUTHERN MISS
125 CHARLOTTE

Have at it! 04-cheers

I enjoy your Orlando updates; I think it will prove to be more accurate for CUSA than these massey rankings
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(07-18-2015 07:52 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(07-18-2015 07:20 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  OK, since some of you are not interested in passing the summer with the fun provided by the Sentinel, and apparently want to have a more serious conversation, here are the G5 conference average rankings according to Massey. I have also included the highest ranked team and its rank for each conference.

It looks like Massey believes the Mountain West and AAC will be fighting it out for G5 supremacy while CUSA will be leading the chase from the middle of the pack.

MWC 85.83 BOISE STATE 25
AAC 86.58 CINCINATTI 46
CUSA 96.15 MARSHALL 38
MAC 102.85 NORTHERN ILLINOIS 55
SBC 108.73 GEORGIA SOUTHERN 71

For those interested, here are the C-USA rankings.

CUSA

38 MARSHALL
54 LA TECH
69 WESTERN KENTUCKY
74 RICE
89 MIDDLE TENNESSEE
95 UTEP
98 OLD DOMINION
105 NORTH TEXAS
110 UTSA
112 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
113 FLORIDA INTL
117 SOUTHERN MISS
125 CHARLOTTE

Have at it! 04-cheers

I enjoy your Orlando updates; I think it will prove to be more accurate for CUSA than these massey rankings

I agree completely. FAU and MT are to low and I also think WKU should be a little higher. Truthfully I don't think anybody has a flipping clue.
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Looks about right.
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We have way too many teams outside of 100
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Massey G5 Conference Rankings
Orlandos rankings are better - not just cause they have most of us ranked higher - but hello, they spend an entire day analyzing each and every spot! The in depth research is mind boggling!
Plus, seriously, the drama of the gradual reveal is genius...
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I like the OS better than Massey as well. Don't they just use the last 6 games or 9 or something in their formula?
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(07-18-2015 07:33 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  This looks like copy paste from end of last year - except we lose points trading bowl eligible UAB for newbie Charlotte. And AAC gained by adding Navy.

Agreed. It appears that Massey's formula put far too much weight on last year's results without proper consideration/recognition of key losses from last year's squad. I have no doubt that Marshall will be competitive, but no way they will be anywhere near as good as last year. Ditto LaTech. Based on returning talent, WKU should be the conference favorite.
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There will be surprises this year...
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(07-19-2015 08:18 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  There will be surprises this year...

Yes -- there will.
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I believe La Tech this year could get ranked in the top 25 by the end of the year. If Driskell is better than Sokol which I believe he will be much better, the offense should average around 40 a game and be able to drive the ball down field instead of a big play or bust.

The D can also be better but I am worried our new D coordinater may be too aggressive. Still our D will create havoc which is great but give up more big plays.

Tech is either going to be a legitimate access bowl contender or a disappointment. We win the west and lose to MU again having to play at MU because of there easier schedule.

WKU will have some really good games and blowout teams with weak pass D. They will probably be better than Marshall but MU has a much easier schedule.

Week 1 will tell us a lot about MU and week 2 will determine if Tech or WKUS have the chops to be really good.

The West will come down to Tech or Rice. UTEP is and UAB (fire ray watts) could have been contenders with USM, NT and UTSA at the bottom.

At the end of the year, the program that has the best D will be champs.
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(07-19-2015 08:41 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  I believe La Tech this year could get ranked in the top 25 by the end of the year. If Driskell is better than Sokol which I believe he will be much better, the offense should average around 40 a game and be able to drive the ball down field instead of a big play or bust.

The D can also be better but I am worried our new D coordinater may be too aggressive. Still our D will create havoc which is great but give up more big plays.

Tech is either going to be a legitimate access bowl contender or a disappointment. We win the west and lose to MU again having to play at MU because of there easier schedule.

WKU will have some really good games and blowout teams with weak pass D. They will probably be better than Marshall but MU has a much easier schedule.

Week 1 will tell us a lot about MU and week 2 will determine if Tech or WKUS have the chops to be really good.

The West will come down to Tech or Rice. UTEP is and UAB (fire ray watts) could have been contenders with USM, NT and UTSA at the bottom.

At the end of the year, the program that has the best D will be champs.

Your post got me to wondering about the strength of schedules for LA Tech, Marshall and Western Kentucky, so I used the Massey ratings (hey, this is the Massey thread) to do some comparisons. You are clearly correct about the in-conference relative strength of schedules. For in-conference games the average ranking of their opponents looks like this.

Western Kentucky 88
LA Tech 96
Marshall 103

However, that can be a little misleading when looking at LA Tech and Marshall. First, they share five common opponents; WKU, FIU, MTSU, UNT and USM. The only difference in those five opponents is that Marshall has to play MTSU on the road, while LA Tech gets the Blue Raiders at home. (Clear advantage LA Tech).

Two of the remaining three games are practically a wash with (1) Marshall playing No. 112 FAU away, while LA Tech plays No. 110 UTSA, away, and (2) Marshall playing No. 98 ODU at home while LA Tech plays No. 95 UTEP away. (Slight advantage Marshall).

That leaves Marshall playing at No. 125 Charlotte and LA Tech playing at No. 74 Rice as the only really clear-cut, no-question-about-it advantage for Marshall. But the kicker here is -- if LA Tech is going to win the West, the Rice game is a must-win anyway.

So does strength of schedule truly play a factor? Ehh -- I think not.

As to Western Kentucky's in-conference schedule -- wow -- it is a tough one. They play Marshall, LA Tech, Rice, MTSU, ODU, FAU, FIU and UNT, with the only good news being that they get LA Tech, MTSU, Marshall and FAU at home.

All in all, it makes for an interesting season coming up, with there frankly being no guarantees that either LA Tech or Marshall will be in the championship game.

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(07-19-2015 10:36 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(07-19-2015 08:41 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  I believe La Tech this year could get ranked in the top 25 by the end of the year. If Driskell is better than Sokol which I believe he will be much better, the offense should average around 40 a game and be able to drive the ball down field instead of a big play or bust.

The D can also be better but I am worried our new D coordinater may be too aggressive. Still our D will create havoc which is great but give up more big plays.

Tech is either going to be a legitimate access bowl contender or a disappointment. We win the west and lose to MU again having to play at MU because of there easier schedule.

WKU will have some really good games and blowout teams with weak pass D. They will probably be better than Marshall but MU has a much easier schedule.

Week 1 will tell us a lot about MU and week 2 will determine if Tech or WKUS have the chops to be really good.

The West will come down to Tech or Rice. UTEP is and UAB (fire ray watts) could have been contenders with USM, NT and UTSA at the bottom.

At the end of the year, the program that has the best D will be champs.

Your post got me to wondering about the strength of schedules for LA Tech, Marshall and Western Kentucky, so I used the Massey ratings (hey, this is the Massey thread) to do some comparisons. You are clearly correct about the in-conference relative strength of schedules. For in-conference games the average ranking of their opponents looks like this.

Western Kentucky 88
LA Tech 96
Marshall 103

However, that can be a little misleading when looking at LA Tech and Marshall. First, they share five common opponents; WKU, FIU, MTSU, UNT and USM. The only difference in those five opponents is that Marshall has to play MTSU on the road, while LA Tech gets the Blue Raiders at home. (Clear advantage LA Tech).

Two of the remaining three games are practically a wash with (1) Marshall playing No. 112 FAU away, while LA Tech plays No. 110 UTSA, away, and (2) Marshall playing No. 98 ODU at home while LA Tech plays No. 95 UTEP away. (Slight advantage Marshall).

That leaves Marshall playing at No. 125 Charlotte and LA Tech playing at No. 74 Rice as the only really clear-cut, no-question-about-it advantage for Marshall. But the kicker here is -- if LA Tech is going to win the West, the Rice game is a must-win anyway.

So does strength of schedule truly play a factor? Ehh -- I think not.

As to Western Kentucky's in-conference schedule -- wow -- it is a tough one. They play Marshall, LA Tech, Rice, MTSU, ODU, FAU, FIU and UNT, with the only good news being that they get LA Tech, MTSU, Marshall and FAU at home.

All in all, it makes for an interesting season coming up, with there frankly being no guarantees that either LA Tech or Marshall will be in the championship game.

04-cheers

Good analysis - but i still think the unbalanced discrepancy in the East comes down to the scenario where, let's say, WKY runs the table in the East, but happens to lose on the road to West Contenders Rice and LaTech. (6-2). But Marshall loses only to WKU and runs the table otherwise. Homefield between a potential LaTech and Marshall matchup - meh - just win the division and you're in the final. Win 'em all and you're hosting.
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(07-19-2015 08:41 AM)Cscollis Wrote:  I believe La Tech this year could get ranked in the top 25 by the end of the year. If Driskell is better than Sokol which I believe he will be much better, the offense should average around 40 a game and be able to drive the ball down field instead of a big play or bust.

The D can also be better but I am worried our new D coordinater may be too aggressive. Still our D will create havoc which is great but give up more big plays.

Tech is either going to be a legitimate access bowl contender or a disappointment. We win the west and lose to MU again having to play at MU because of there easier schedule.

WKU will have some really good games and blowout teams with weak pass D. They will probably be better than Marshall but MU has a much easier schedule.

Week 1 will tell us a lot about MU and week 2 will determine if Tech or WKUS have the chops to be really good.

The West will come down to Tech or Rice. UTEP is and UAB (fire ray watts) could have been contenders with USM, NT and UTSA at the bottom.

At the end of the year, the program that has the best D will be champs.

It is still too early to overlook North Texas. Remember, the Mean Green are only a season removed from winning the HOD with a 9-4 record. If a decent QB emerges in fall camp North Texas has the talent at all the other positions to compete for the western division. UNT is very good at RB, WR, and TE. Also, North Texas will have one of the better defenses in the west.
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North Texas is always that team that is predicted to do well......and then you never hear of them anymore once the season starts.

Such a shame, I remember on the old school NCAA Football games North Texas was the **** after a few years in a dynasty.
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(07-19-2015 03:37 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  North Texas is always that team that is predicted to do well......and then you never hear of them anymore once the season starts.

Such a shame, I remember on the old school NCAA Football games North Texas was the **** after a few years in a dynasty.

We have good coaching, and talent, but no one is expecting much from us this season, because last season we had no consistency at QB and so the team struggled. I don't know how good our play at QB will be this season, but it can't be as bad as it was last year.

If the Mean Green's QB can play just average, we will make it to a bowl game. We have some amazing players at several offensive positions, and our defense will be solid and hitting hard again.
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(07-18-2015 10:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Orlandos rankings are better - not just cause they have most of us ranked higher - but hello, they spend an entire day analyzing each and every spot! The in depth research is mind boggling!
Plus, seriously, the drama of the gradual reveal is genius...

They learned that from the ladies.
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(07-19-2015 07:25 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-18-2015 07:33 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  This looks like copy paste from end of last year - except we lose points trading bowl eligible UAB for newbie Charlotte. And AAC gained by adding Navy.

Agreed. It appears that Massey's formula put far too much weight on last year's results without proper consideration/recognition of key losses from last year's squad. I have no doubt that Marshall will be competitive, but no way they will be anywhere near as good as last year. Ditto LaTech. Based on returning talent, WKU should be the conference favorite.

The OP is the Massey composite rating. It's cumulative and will include over 100 rankings by the end of the year (currently at 5). The OS ranking will be included in the aggregate once it is fully released.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Massey's individual ratings for CUSA are as follows:

40 Marshall
62 LA Tech
71 Rice
79 WKU
99 UTEP
106 MTSU
109 UTSA
119 ODU
121 FAU
123 FIU
125 UNT
133 USM
225 UNCC

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11312&s=279541
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