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ACC 13-14 Financial Numbers
I can't verify these are accurate but it paints a different picture

I tend to think the schools that have no profit are either bleeding in red or the school is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Notre Dame and Syracuse are the two most profitable schools...but both being private makes me go hmmm.

Interesting how little FSU actually made in profit their Natty Season.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/07/14/colle...s/akhxgwk/
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Interesting that in the 2014-15 Year GT budget was 78M so an increase of 23M (Since GT was at 55K in 2013-14)
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(07-17-2015 10:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I can't verify these are accurate but it paints a different picture

I tend to think the schools that have no profit are either bleeding in red or the school is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Notre Dame and Syracuse are the two most profitable schools...but both being private makes me go hmmm.

Interesting how little FSU actually made in profit their Natty Season.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/07/14/colle...s/akhxgwk/

I've seen reports which show that virtually EVERY college loses money on sports. This is NOT a profit center, when taken as a whole. Football turns a tidy profit, but the other sports manage to spend it all...
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(07-17-2015 04:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-17-2015 10:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I can't verify these are accurate but it paints a different picture

I tend to think the schools that have no profit are either bleeding in red or the school is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Notre Dame and Syracuse are the two most profitable schools...but both being private makes me go hmmm.

Interesting how little FSU actually made in profit their Natty Season.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/07/14/colle...s/akhxgwk/

I've seen reports which show that virtually EVERY college loses money on sports. This is NOT a profit center, when taken as a whole. Football turns a tidy profit, but the other sports manage to spend it all...

Yeah...every time the football team gets a big windfall, the field hockey coaches get a million dollar raise and the members of the golf team all get personal tutors. 05-stirthepot
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I have a daughter, but I still hate Title IX.
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I have a daughter but never have a conscious thought of Title IX at all until someone mentions it.

Upon reflection, I have no problems with it.
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Perhaps I should've been more specific - I hate what Title IX has done to college sports. I guess if the powers that rule football would agree to reducing the scholarship limit by 20 or so - and increasing baseball scholarships to at least 11 while they're at it - then it would be ok for me, too.
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(07-17-2015 04:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-17-2015 10:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I can't verify these are accurate but it paints a different picture

I tend to think the schools that have no profit are either bleeding in red or the school is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Notre Dame and Syracuse are the two most profitable schools...but both being private makes me go hmmm.

Interesting how little FSU actually made in profit their Natty Season.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/07/14/colle...s/akhxgwk/

I've seen reports which show that virtually EVERY college loses money on sports. This is NOT a profit center, when taken as a whole. Football turns a tidy profit, but the other sports manage to spend it all...
Some schools actually make a killing in hoops too.
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I can't open the article, so I can't read it. However, as a general state,ent, comparing profitability without understanding school objectives is dumb.

School A might want to use the AD as an advertising program, School B might be mildly committed to using it to increase the quality of student life, and School C might use the AD primarily to pump money into academics. Even if everything else is identical about the schools/AD's, the AD's will likely have 3 levels of profitability.
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P5 schools don't lose money on college athletics. Don't be ridiculous. Unless you're Rutgers or Maryland.

When schools say "we barely break even", what that really means is "after we spent half our budget on fancy bells and whistles, we barely had enough left over to pay for the athletes scholarships and room and board, even though that scholarship money comes right back into our coffers and even though we tend to own many of the residences athletes live and receive that money back again also via rent."
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(07-18-2015 09:18 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  P5 schools don't lose money on college athletics. Don't be ridiculous. Unless you're Rutgers or Maryland.

When schools say "we barely break even", what that really means is "after we spent half our budget on fancy bells and whistles, we barely had enough left over to pay for the athletes scholarships and room and board, even though that scholarship money comes right back into our coffers and even though we tend to own many of the residences athletes live and receive that money back again also via rent."

The biggest issue for state schools is the bureaucracy of budgeting. If you don't show a need you don't get an increase. Therefore if you don't max out your spending you can't show a need. So, finding places to spend money leads to waterfalls in the danged locker room, or in Auburn's case an idiotic expense for the nation's, if not world's, largest outside television for a scoreboard. 23 million plus an unanticipated 13 million more for a structure secure enough to support it because the A.D. stupidly didn't consult his own school's structural engineers before approving the screen. This is why last year Auburn's net profits were nil compared to other years. If we reform the way our state governments fund university athletic budgets, account for those athletic budgets, or if we revamp what is an appropriate expenditure we might actually do something good with the money. Privates not only can hide or exaggerate profits, but they can also spend them much more wisely if they so choose.
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I don't know about Alabama but the state doesn't fund public universities' athletic departments in Florida.
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(07-18-2015 10:48 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't know about Alabama but the state doesn't fund public universities' athletic departments in Florida.

Technically they don't in Alabama either Marge, as both are separate entities within the respective universities, but the budgeting process is still the same as that of the school in regards to process. And there are some shared budgetary items. Hold too much and it hurts the perception of need. They hold their money essentially independent of the school, but have to account for it in the same way. The fear is that if you establish too much of a nest egg things could change, both with regards to the present structure via state political moves, or from pressure within the university. (Hell, in Alabama right now the Teacher Retirement Program is so well funded that the idiot state politicians want it opened up to borrow against. Save and somebody, especially politicians, gets envious and wants to take it.)

At Auburn faculty have some oversight over the Athletic Department. Projects drive donations, so they spend. Need can stimulate donations so they spend just about everything they get. And fear of losing the ability to spend or to stay an independent and wealthy part of a school in a state where budgetary cuts to the school itself remain a palpable issue means they spend just about every damn dime they get.

The structure breeds waste, irresponsibility, and selfishness with regards to the parent institution. That all needs to stop.

Years ago in sales we had draw accounts. This money was held by the company and paid to you upon demand. It was not taxed until paid. The risk was that the company could go out and you would lose your money. The benefit was you regulated your tax bracket.

If we were to establish athletic draw accounts then those funds could be retained for unexpected expenditures, or to fund down years. It would give AD's many more rational options to the "if you got it, you have to spend it" mentality that permeates the process today. Just permit them to accrue the revenue without having to declare it until spent and the whole process changes. Permit them to establish a way to pay the educational end of the school the interest on that money, while retaining the principal for their own purposes, and all the better. Five year budgets and 10 year budgets could be projected with built in inflationary adjustments, and the budget itself could proceed in an orderly fashion.

Individual projects (like big danged TV screens for your stadium) could still be up for funding by some corporation which wants to paint it with their logo. Projects can always be open to sponsorship. Budgets however need to be constrained to reality and that means saving against the prospect of future calamity.

If we had such practicalities in place realignment would likely have progressed in a much different way.

Now to the other side of this hypocrisy. Part of the reasons the schools wanted to separate their university budgets from the athletic budgets was because they too wanted to perpetuate the need for increases. If athletic revenue is included in the University's budget then justifying expenditures to the state would be a lot tougher from a numbers perspective. So by segregating the most profitable area of the school from the educational budget the process of spend everything you can still is applicable. And contained therein are your COLAS which drive the salaries of those working in all bureaucracies, which in turn causes creep in the expense of education (which has reached ridiculous amounts), and of course diminishing enrollment for many smaller state schools as the larger ones drop enrollment standards to keep pace economically and drive the local economies of their respective communities.

This is why there is a downsizing in higher education coming but it will hit lower tier state sponsored schools first. The branding of the P5 is important not just for sports revenue, but also because name recognition produced by sports spurs enrollment. It's about surviving the a downturn in demand due to low paying jobs and the downturn in birthrate among the middle class. Boomers are dying out, their kids earn less and have less earning potential (especially when adjusted for inflation) than their parents or grandparents had. This is seminal because it is the first time this has occurred in our history as a nation. We have had depressions before, but nothing that has trended as this has.
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I'm not reading all of that. The state does not fund FSU's athletic budget. At all. I don't know how else to say it.
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(07-18-2015 11:59 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I'm not reading all of that. The state does not fund FSU's athletic budget. At all. I don't know how else to say it.

I know they don't, but they fund your school. The issues are much larger, but I don't know how else to say it either.
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Yes. State funding goes towards the school. That money is not transferred from the school's general fund to athletics. The state does not fund athletics.
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(07-17-2015 10:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I can't verify these are accurate but it paints a different picture

I tend to think the schools that have no profit are either bleeding in red or the school is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Notre Dame and Syracuse are the two most profitable schools...but both being private makes me go hmmm.

Interesting how little FSU actually made in profit their Natty Season.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/07/14/colle...s/akhxgwk/

The numbers are definitely from the Equity in Athletics website, which is created by our federal government: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

I believe the profit shown for Syracuse may be due to the site's inclusion of all revenues but only operating expenses. Syracuse just opened a new $14 million football practice facility which was fully funded. Some of the money used for that effort was undoubtedly collected from one time donations. More likely, Syracuse held its spending levels constant from being in the Big East and used its first year ACC TV money boost for capital expenditures.
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I have stated on this board before that I thought GT was going to bring in 25-28M for 2014-15, and that came straight from GT public disclosure... However the AJC did an article stating that GT ACC Share for 2014-15 was only 23.8M....SO that leaves me to think that extra money that is not being spoke about is the Maryland settlement money!

Does anyone know how much each school would be getting?
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(07-21-2015 04:41 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I have stated on this board before that I thought GT was going to bring in 25-28M for 2014-15, and that came straight from GT public disclosure... However the AJC did an article stating that GT ACC Share for 2014-15 was only 23.8M....SO that leaves me to think that extra money that is not being spoke about is the Maryland settlement money!

Does anyone know how much each school would be getting?

GT's records did not show them getting upwards of $28M.

Nice try.
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