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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
(07-14-2015 11:57 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-14-2015 10:58 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  1 Freeman, Caver
2 Bacote, Mosely, Talley
3 Talley, Baker
4 Stith, Taylor, Nik, Vassor
5 Taylor, Nik, Pervier.

Carver, Porter, Stith #2 and Colbert all redshirt

Porter, Stith #2 and Colbert are all forced to sit out due to the transfer rules.

Duhhhhhh

I was going for economy of effort. "All redshirt" is a lot shorter than "forced to .... "
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(07-14-2015 12:29 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Raw per game averages are dinosaurs in college basketball. Arledge only played half the game but was our best defensive rebounder. ODU played at the 339th fastest tempo last season which greatly impacted per game averages.

Within that, Arledge was our best defensive rebounder, the best at drawing fouls, the best at spacing the floor and the second best on the team at blocking shots. He was our second most utilized player on a per possession basis.

I'm going to wait and see on Pervier.

Like them or loath them, averages are what they are ... averages. I think we are both saying much the same thing which is essentially 'wait and see'. It is just like we are talking about the glass being half full, but are individually concentrating on the opposite half.

I had noticed that Arledge played just 20.1 minutes per game (average) and am pretty sure that he would have averaged more minutes, points, rebounds, etc. had he not gotten so many dumb/cheap fouls called against him, lots of them 15-20+ feet from the basket. Too many times he was forced to the bench due to that.

As our tallest player and starting center it is understandable that he was the team's best defensive rebounder. Most teams post their center down low and since he would be guarding that position it naturally puts him in the best/closest defensive rebounding position when the shot goes up. With him having better range than Taylor or Ross, that kept them closer to the basket than him on the offensive end and therefore Taylor in particular was a better offensive rebounder.

While he was a reasonable 3 point shooter at 26.7% (average) he wasn't stellar. I'm certainly not suggesting that Pervier will be as good at that distance. On the other hand if Pervier is better in the low post then he may bring a much needed dimension to the team by opening up the outside more for guys like Freeman, Bacote, Mosley, and Baker. That might also cut into Taylor's offensive rebounding numbers though. Time will tell.

I would be surprised if ODU's style/pace of play changes very much this season, but the shortening of the shot clock will likely allow a few more possessions per game (average). If averages do change much in returning players it would likely be due to the individuals shooting better than they did last year, them taking more shots than they did last year, the team being better defensively or at rebounding that got them more shots or easier (open court shots) than last year.

None of this is meant as a negative against Arledge. I like Arledge and wish he had another year of eligibility at ODU. If he did I would have Pervier as 2nd on the depth chart behind him going into the season, and after that if he was not performing well he would move behind Biberaj to 3rd.

I'm pretty sure that most if not all of us - myself included - are taking a wait and see attitude with Pervier. All I was saying is that IF he gets significant minutes per game (say 20 minutes per game like Arledge) this season then I don't see it as a stretch for him to at least be in the neighborhood of the averages that Arledge posted. Basically he would only need a couple of rebounds and baskets per 10 minute half (average). If that were to happen I believe that he should be able to have at least 19 blocked shots and perhaps even the 20 steals that Arledge had at season's end. Naturally he wouldn't be able to do that if he wasn't good enough to play a decent amount of minutes like Arledge did.

I've never seen him play so I don't know. If I had then I too might be more in the glass half empty crowd while still not being sure. I am reasoning that since the coaching staff recruited him for probably just one season they likely saw something about him other than just his size to make them optimistic that he could help the team. He did have some big games in Junior College this past season so maybe there is some justification there. 04-cheers
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I agree with you. One of my peeves is when posters are down on the current or past player in favor of an incoming for player then the very next year are down on the guy they were just trumping over the next guy. The tendency is to overrate recruits and bash former players.

Not saying that anyone is doing that but I am guarding against it.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
(07-14-2015 12:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  
(07-14-2015 11:57 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-14-2015 10:58 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  1 Freeman, Caver
2 Bacote, Mosely, Talley
3 Talley, Baker
4 Stith, Taylor, Nik, Vassor
5 Taylor, Nik, Pervier.

Carver, Porter, Stith #2 and Colbert all redshirt

Porter, Stith #2 and Colbert are all forced to sit out due to the transfer rules.

Duhhhhhh

I was going for economy of effort. "All redshirt" is a lot shorter than "forced to .... "

Not meaning to stir you up True Blue. It's all good.

I think the big difference between a Transfer sitting out for a year and a "redshirt" sitting out for a year is that as long as the season is still in progress the "redshirt" is still eligible to play if needed/desired at any time. Although Talley and Stith #1 both sat out last year, the circumstances were very different between them as at any time Talley could have suited up and played. Transfers (as I am sure that you know) are not eligible and are forced to sit.

If Carver and the coaching staff decide to redshirt Carver this season then that could change if enough injuries or other things hit the team during the year to warrant Carver suiting up. The other 3 guys are guaranteed to be in street clothes on the bench. That's all I was trying to convey.

I'm pretty sure that something like this happened to Heinicke during his Freshman season when he was put into a mid-season game for the first time due to the starter getting injured. Had that not happened I believe he would have redshirted and been a senior this coming season.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
Personally, I don't think there will be a consistent starting lineup this season.

I think jones will play matchups and go with guys depending on how well they earn PT and being in the starting lineup as the season progresses.

Obviously Freeman is a lock, bacote is a near lock and Taylor should be in the starting lineup just about every night unless pervier and stith really push him out somehow.

The 2/3 spots will probably be a revolving door all season long.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
I'm going with:

Freeman/Caver
Bacote/Mosley
Baker/Douglas
Pervier/Taylor
Stith/Biberaj

The rest redshirt or get spot minutes. If Douglas gets dismissed, Talley gets his minutes. I think Taylor gets more minutes than Pervier, but Pervier starts. Jones seems to like Taylor off the bench to manage fouls.
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(07-15-2015 07:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm going with:

Freeman/Caver
Bacote/Mosley
Baker/Douglas
Pervier/Taylor
Stith/Biberaj

The rest redshirt or get spot minutes. If Douglas gets dismissed, Talley gets his minutes. I think Taylor gets more minutes than Pervier, but Pervier starts. Jones seems to like Taylor off the bench to manage fouls.

I seriously doubt Pervier plays the 4. Pervier will be the 5 with Stith or Taylor at the 4. Also, I'm seriously doubting that Douglas sees the court this year. I'd substitute his minutes for Talley. Rest of the lineup looks really solid.

I'm not sure why people are doubting our depth off the bench this year. We have some young, unproven players like Caver and Talley, but we also have proven guys like Mosley who can put up 16 any night. Throw in at least one of Pervier, Taylor, or Stith coming off the bench in the front court and I think we'll be as good as we've ever been off the bench. Whatever we get out of Caver and Talley is a bonus IMO. If we have Douglas back, we'll be even more solid off the bench.
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(07-15-2015 07:59 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  
(07-15-2015 07:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm going with:

Freeman/Caver
Bacote/Mosley
Baker/Douglas
Pervier/Taylor
Stith/Biberaj

The rest redshirt or get spot minutes. If Douglas gets dismissed, Talley gets his minutes. I think Taylor gets more minutes than Pervier, but Pervier starts. Jones seems to like Taylor off the bench to manage fouls.

I seriously doubt Pervier plays the 4. Pervier will be the 5 with Stith or Taylor at the 4. Also, I'm seriously doubting that Douglas sees the court this year. I'd substitute his minutes for Talley. Rest of the lineup looks really solid.

I'm not sure why people are doubting our depth off the bench this year. We have some young, unproven players like Caver and Talley, but we also have proven guys like Mosley who can put up 16 any night. Throw in at least one of Pervier, Taylor, or Stith coming off the bench in the front court and I think we'll be as good as we've ever been off the bench. Whatever we get out of Caver and Talley is a bonus IMO. If we have Douglas back, we'll be even more solid off the bench.

I'm just wondering where the interior offense is going to come from this year, hoping that Stith or Pervier surprise me, or that Taylor has made Frank Hassell-like improvements. Defensively and on the boards we'll be fine.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
(07-15-2015 07:59 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  
(07-15-2015 07:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm going with:

Freeman/Caver
Bacote/Mosley
Baker/Douglas
Pervier/Taylor
Stith/Biberaj

The rest redshirt or get spot minutes. If Douglas gets dismissed, Talley gets his minutes. I think Taylor gets more minutes than Pervier, but Pervier starts. Jones seems to like Taylor off the bench to manage fouls.

I seriously doubt Pervier plays the 4. Pervier will be the 5 with Stith or Taylor at the 4. Also, I'm seriously doubting that Douglas sees the court this year. I'd substitute his minutes for Talley. Rest of the lineup looks really solid.

I'm not sure why people are doubting our depth off the bench this year. We have some young, unproven players like Caver and Talley, but we also have proven guys like Mosley who can put up 16 any night. Throw in at least one of Pervier, Taylor, or Stith coming off the bench in the front court and I think we'll be as good as we've ever been off the bench. Whatever we get out of Caver and Talley is a bonus IMO. If we have Douglas back, we'll be even more solid off the bench.

You are probably right about Pervier, though I am not sure there is much of a difference between the 4 and 5 in JJ's man to man system other than who takes the tip-off.

I am including Douglas until he is dismissed. It has been awhile now... plenty of time for ODU to collect the facts and investigate... and, as far as we know, he is still on the team as of now. But yeah, if that changes, Talley gets the minutes.
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(07-15-2015 08:03 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(07-15-2015 07:59 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  
(07-15-2015 07:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm going with:

Freeman/Caver
Bacote/Mosley
Baker/Douglas
Pervier/Taylor
Stith/Biberaj

The rest redshirt or get spot minutes. If Douglas gets dismissed, Talley gets his minutes. I think Taylor gets more minutes than Pervier, but Pervier starts. Jones seems to like Taylor off the bench to manage fouls.

I seriously doubt Pervier plays the 4. Pervier will be the 5 with Stith or Taylor at the 4. Also, I'm seriously doubting that Douglas sees the court this year. I'd substitute his minutes for Talley. Rest of the lineup looks really solid.

I'm not sure why people are doubting our depth off the bench this year. We have some young, unproven players like Caver and Talley, but we also have proven guys like Mosley who can put up 16 any night. Throw in at least one of Pervier, Taylor, or Stith coming off the bench in the front court and I think we'll be as good as we've ever been off the bench. Whatever we get out of Caver and Talley is a bonus IMO. If we have Douglas back, we'll be even more solid off the bench.

I'm just wondering where the interior offense is going to come from this year, hoping that Stith or Pervier surprise me, or that Taylor has made Frank Hassell-like improvements. Defensively and on the boards we'll be fine.

If we can average 25 points between our 3s, 4s, and 5s, we'll be fine. Our 1s and 2s will carry the offense again this year and the other guys just need to keep the other team honest. If we can get 6-7 ppg from Stith, Taylor, and Pervier, we'll be fine.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
I expect a lot out of Stith. He looked good 2 years ago as a true freshman and spent the last year getting better with his father. Coaches are very high on him. I would honestly be surprised if he isn't our 2nd leading scorer.
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(07-15-2015 08:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I expect a lot out of Stith. He looked good 2 years ago as a true freshman and spent the last year getting better with his father. Coaches are very high on him. I would honestly be surprised if he isn't our 2nd leading scorer.

I also expect a lot out of him too. seems a lot of comments thus far are selling him short on offense. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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He was better as a true freshman than Frank Hassell was as a RS freshman IMO. And he is getting plenty of one on one attention at ODU and certainly has the resources for the same big man camps that Frank could afford to attend and many people credit for his development. I have a feeling he'll surprise a lot of people.
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(07-15-2015 09:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  He was better as a true freshman than Frank Hassell was as a RS freshman IMO. And he is getting plenty of one on one attention at ODU and certainly has the resources for the same big man camps that Frank could afford to attend and many people credit for his development. I have a feeling he'll surprise a lot of people.

That's good to hear. I only saw him play twice as a freshman against ODU and wasn't impressed with his O. But maybe our D was just that good, or maybe he was just in a bad system.

If he is a legit low post threat (consistently), we'll be tough to beat.
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RE: MBB 2015 Depth Chart
New Roster is up for MBB on the ODU website. Two things of concern. First, Pervier must have lost the appeal for an extra year and is listed as a RS Senior. Second, where is Caver?

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...M_ID=31100
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(07-15-2015 05:14 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  New Roster is up for MBB on the ODU website. Two things of concern. First, Pervier must have lost the appeal for an extra year and is listed as a RS Senior. Second, where is Caver?

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...M_ID=31100

When I clicked the link it took me to last seasons roster with Arledge, Ross, Clark, etc.
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(07-15-2015 05:23 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(07-15-2015 05:14 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  New Roster is up for MBB on the ODU website. Two things of concern. First, Pervier must have lost the appeal for an extra year and is listed as a RS Senior. Second, where is Caver?

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...M_ID=31100

When I clicked the link it took me to last seasons roster with Arledge, Ross, Clark, etc.

I don't think they've updated the mobile version.
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(07-15-2015 05:14 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  New Roster is up for MBB on the ODU website. Two things of concern. First, Pervier must have lost the appeal for an extra year and is listed as a RS Senior. Second, where is Caver?

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...M_ID=31100

Caver is coming, the difference is he's not enrolled in school yet whereas the other guys that you see are.
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Is Douglas on there?

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(07-15-2015 05:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Is Douglas on there?

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Douglas is still on the roster, listed as a senior.
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