(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

(07-13-2015 09:55 PM)App10 Wrote:  I get it you need to take the wording that literal to try and prove your point but the facts are what they are. Not very impressive wins when you really take a look, on the surface, yes. if you wanna go back 5 years then we might as well go back 8 years when App pulled off a bigger W than ECU has ever gotten close to.

You're "champs" also lost to a 3-9 NC State team on the road on year we beat on the road.

The difference is you have 1 leg to stand on ever. We have probably 15 of those type of wins and yes we have beat teams that finished ranked higher than Michigan did that year. Syracuse and 2 Miami teams just off the top of my head. We've also beat at least 4 teams that finished ranked since 2008 alone. Virginia Tech, West Virginia, NC State, and Tulsa. Another 4 I can remember off the top of my head that were ranked at the time since then. Our table has lots of legs to hold it up.

(07-14-2015 10:39 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

Opposed to being told we aren't UNC or NC State and that you can just demand a home and home game with us? We are sure as heck a lot closer to the level of UNC or NC State than App is to us.

Name me another regional G5 university that averages 45k+ and that has averaged as little as with in 3k fans of the state flagship in the last 3 years and beat back to back stat flagship teams by 25 to 30 points and they weren't even that close and they weren't even that bad as both were in Bowls.

You might get a home and home because our AD sucks but it's not because you deserve it anymore than any other low level MAC, CUSA or Sun Belt school does which we look nothing like.

(07-14-2015 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:39 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

Opposed to being told we aren't UNC or NC State and that you can just demand a home and home game with us? We are sure as heck a lot closer to the level of UNC or NC State than App is to us.

Name me another regional G5 university that averages 45k+ and that has averaged as little as with in 3k fans of the state flagship in the last 3 years and beat back to back stat flagship teams by 25 to 30 points and they weren't even that close and they weren't even that bad as both were in Bowls.

You might get a home and home because our AD sucks but it's not because you deserve it anymore than any other low level MAC, CUSA or Sun Belt school does which we look nothing like.

I can see you preparing for it, the first step is to make an excuse........

(07-13-2015 11:29 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 11:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  until we increase our stadium capacity over 30 thousand, I can understand why ECU would be hesitant to come to Boone. Happy that we were able talk both Wake and Marshall to make it up the mountain, but, ECU is in a different league, attendance wise, they average over 44 thousand, both Marshall and Wake less than 35. They also have had more success over the years, always seem to be in the top 30, year in, year out, cant really say that for both Marshall and Wake

ECU has not finished a season ranked since 1995 when they finished #23 in Coaches Poll. Only 1 time in the HISTORY of their program have they finished the season ranked in both polls. That was back in 1991 when they finished #9 in both polls.


Since moving to D1 in 1997. Marshall has finished ranked in 1 of the polls a total of 4 times. Also been ranked in both polls 3 of those years.

In 1999 we finished #10 in the nation in both polls.

So your perception of ECU's actual football program is very skewed and incorrect.

Marshall is the team that is historically ranked better than ECU.

#1 you cheated for much of that and were put on probation

#2 most of those rankings were build off pure fluff

You haven't played close to the quality of schedules we have or level of P5 competition. When we were in a conference with you we were the class of that conference for a decade too and certainly did the heavy OOC lifting something Marhshall rarely did.

At the end of the day you are still CUSA and only having a brick and mortar program that can beat the P5 and put fans and the stands like any number of mid level one IS a big deal and why we are where we are simply a better program and the cute girl said so. We won that.

Go on looking like a top FCS schools drawing like them and beating up fluff FCS boarderline quality to those sham top 25's. Everyone knows it is and doesn't respect it.

(07-14-2015 10:59 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:39 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

Opposed to being told we aren't UNC or NC State and that you can just demand a home and home game with us? We are sure as heck a lot closer to the level of UNC or NC State than App is to us.

Name me another regional G5 university that averages 45k+ and that has averaged as little as with in 3k fans of the state flagship in the last 3 years and beat back to back stat flagship teams by 25 to 30 points and they weren't even that close and they weren't even that bad as both were in Bowls.

You might get a home and home because our AD sucks but it's not because you deserve it anymore than any other low level MAC, CUSA or Sun Belt school does which we look nothing like.

I can see you preparing for it, the first step is to make an excuse........

Our new AD is from Northern Illinois. Look at their schedules compared to what we had the last 10 years. He's already started to put fluff on our schedule we aren't used to, before long we'll probably have OOC schedules that look like Marshall's pathetic ones. So no it wouldn't shock me but that's less of a statement about you as it is him. We've already proven we can get 10 game home and homes with top 15 programs at the time like Virginia Tech and build around it with the West Virginia's, South Carolina's and then the tops in our state like UNC or NC State.

We got absolutely nothing to prove in the scheduling department and that's because of our fanbase which none of you have or have the ability to at that level. The Marshall fan can minimize it as the "only" thing ( which it's not) we got over Marshall or the G5 but it is certainly the biggest and the biggest distinction usually between the big time program and those that are not.

So now this thread, on the SBC board has a CUSA and a wanna be Big East school arguing over who is the best of the rest....

Let me help you guys out, ECU, you have a nice program, in the end you are a G5, learn to accept your place. Marshall, you have a nice program, but you had your best season ever and no one gave you props because you play in a watered down CUSA and played the easiest schedule in FBS, learn your place. App, you're new to FBS, you are earning your stripes, you are on an even playing field with ECU and Marshall, it is ok, and accepted, to want a home and home with these schools. When you get it, beat them, and show them their place.

(07-14-2015 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:39 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

Opposed to being told we aren't UNC or NC State and that you can just demand a home and home game with us? We are sure as heck a lot closer to the level of UNC or NC State than App is to us.

Name me another regional G5 university that averages 45k+ and that has averaged as little as with in 3k fans of the state flagship in the last 3 years and beat back to back stat flagship teams by 25 to 30 points and they weren't even that close and they weren't even that bad as both were in Bowls.

You might get a home and home because our AD sucks but it's not because you deserve it anymore than any other low level MAC, CUSA or Sun Belt school does which we look nothing like.

Looks like you were about 7,000 less in attendance than UNC last year and 9,000 behind NCSU. Very good numbers none the less.

I guess what I don't get is why sit on a throne and talk down to App St as unworthy? Let's look at the facts here...if you do a home and home with App they will sell out and have standing room only tickets available too...probably draw 28-30k...not bad. There are certainly AAC schools doing a lot worse but you are in conference with them?

(07-14-2015 11:21 AM)kb325 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:39 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motor program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.

I don't think anyone is knocking what ECU built, just the unnecessary attitude that which you utilize to express it.

Opposed to being told we aren't UNC or NC State and that you can just demand a home and home game with us? We are sure as heck a lot closer to the level of UNC or NC State than App is to us.

Name me another regional G5 university that averages 45k+ and that has averaged as little as with in 3k fans of the state flagship in the last 3 years and beat back to back stat flagship teams by 25 to 30 points and they weren't even that close and they weren't even that bad as both were in Bowls.

You might get a home and home because our AD sucks but it's not because you deserve it anymore than any other low level MAC, CUSA or Sun Belt school does which we look nothing like.

Looks like you were about 7,000 less in attendance than UNC last year and 9,000 behind NCSU. Very good numbers none the less.

I guess what I don't get is why sit on a throne and talk down to App St as unworthy? Let's look at the facts here...if you do a home and home with App they will sell out and have standing room only tickets available too...probably draw 28-30k...not bad. There are certainly AAC schools doing a lot worse but you are in conference with them?

We drew with in 3k of UNC 3 years ago and that's was when we drew 47k or something not even the year we drew 50k+.

50k. What other regional university can get with in even 10k fans of their state flag ship or draw like 10 P5 flagship universities like Arizona, Colorado, Virginia etc some years? Marshall can't get with in half of what West Virginia does, barely get with in half of what we have proven we can do.

We are not your typical G5 program when you guys just try to lump us in with who ever or say we aren't UNC. Damn right we aren't, if we were in the ACC we'd probably have a 75k seat stadium full and beat them by 50.

we can say some ECU fans are arrogant, and don't want us on their schedule, there is some truth to that, but as an App fan, if your totally being objective, the way ECU has built their program the last 20 yrs, should be the model we try to copy, 50 thousand seat stadium, almost every home game is a sellout, fans make big donations to keep the program moving forward, and they are aggressive in atleast trying to improve the facilities every 5 years or so. Now, this argument that ECU is miles ahead of App in terms of talent, I think we are a lot closer to ECU than their fans want to give us credit, give us a couple more years, and we will be right there in terms of talent.

I know we talk a lot about attendance on this site, but this is ridiculous. Attendance numbers are not reflective of on field success. ECU, break the top ten, consistently, then tell me you are better then anyone else. Boise can claim it, but not you guys.

(07-14-2015 11:32 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I know we talk a lot about attendance on this site, but this is ridiculous. Attendance numbers are not reflective of on field success. ECU, break the top ten, consistently, then tell me you are better then anyone else. Boise can claim it, but not you guys.

Why don't you look at a list of all the top attendance schools and biggest fullest stadiums in the nation and rethink that.

Certainly fan support has a major coloration with the quality of a program and is by far the biggest indicator of what level you play at and usually how much success and money you have. No accident that usually the biggest and fullest stadium schools with the most money band together in the SEC or Big 10

Sure you have some outliers but there is a reason Ohio State has a stadium and fanbase like that do and if you want to point to one attribute that makes you big time fan support is the best and certainly the most sustainable life blood of a program where as coaches and success come and go solid fanbases remain and pump money into the program so you can hire new coaches and build more facilitates and get back.

We beat a ranked Boise State in a Bowl last I check with a 7 win team. A lot of their "success" like Marshall was built off of cheating which they are currently on probation for #1. 2nd they also build a lot of their fluffy records off pure fluff too that many schools would look good playing their schedules.

We are 11-24 vs the P5 since 2005 they are 10-8 just to give you an idea of how much more P5 competition we play or almost twice as much as them and more than anyone else too. Any schools playing a typical Boise schedule the last 10 years or like Marshall last year would win far more than you would with ours. Most fans nationally don't respect it though.

Their attendance and fan support is without a doubt at the top of the G5, and I can only hope that in 15-20 years we can build to that point. However, the on the field product isn't going to be that much different. Even the last two match-ups while we were FCS were close games. The last meeting in 2012 was 14-13 until ECU took a KO back for TD, and then tacked on a late TD to make it look worse. In 2009 they beat us 29-25 with the Apps running out of time with the ball after making a big comeback. Now that we have equal scholarships I'd like to see how things turn out.

At the end of the day we are both G5 now, and until one of us is in a P5 conference (not going to happen) we will always be looked down on by the ACC schools in NC. Even though we have both proven we can beat them on the field.

So when Alabama played at Duke a few years ago, would you have considered that "beneath them"???

This arguement that because we average more, you are beneath us to play a home and home is ridiculous.

(07-14-2015 11:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Certainly fan support has a major coloration with the quality of a program and is by far the biggest indicator of what level you play at and usually how much success you have.

With the exception of the coloration part, I have to agree. I've long viewed fan support as a measure of the health of one's athletic program.

Attendance can be a sign of value, but I've seen 100k people watch Tennessee suck the big one a couple years ago. So just because you have attendance, doesn't mean your team is better then a team without attendance. But the value, especially to the conference for media desires, can be judged by attendance.

SJ I'm not sure if you're trying to convince us or yourself of ECU's superiority.

You have a great fanbase, they are passionate, loyal, etc. and you can talk about all the accomplishments ECU has, but at the end of the day you will always be a G5 program. It's ok, embrace it, and look forward to a great 4 hour ride up to the blue ridge mountains in the near future. You'll have a great time.

I think the great ECU Pirates should leave the AAC and go independent.. That way would not be bothered with having to play schools beneath them because just as soon as they free themselves of all those inferior teams/games (because they are not like the other G5 teams) ...I'm sure the really good P5 teams will be knocking on their door for a home and home. You can't cry your way into a home in home with Ohio St, Bama, Notre Dame, Auburn, Oregon, etc like you did with UNC and NCSU

(07-14-2015 12:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  SJ I'm not sure if you're trying to convince us or yourself of ECU's superiority.

You have a great fanbase, they are passionate, loyal, etc. and you can talk about all the accomplishments ECU has, but at the end of the day you will always be a G5 program. It's ok, embrace it, and look forward to a great 4 hour ride up to the blue ridge mountains in the near future. You'll have a great time.

At the end of the day our G5 program looks like any number of P5 state flagship programs or mid level P5 programs. It's not holding us back from building a fine program. We beat that level more than any G5.

I do take pride in that because any team can get an upset or even have a great one off season or even piece together a couple of them back to back and coaches and players come and go.

Not everyone can build 50k seat stadiums and average 45 to 50k fans in the stands at the ticket prices we do and probably 95% of the G5 never will in the next 50 years.

To say we are typical or just another G5 is a joke. We are one of the most unique schools there are in the nation and have built something most of you will never approach that looks and feels like any number of P5 state flagships on a game day.

(07-14-2015 11:52 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  Their attendance and fan support is without a doubt at the top of the G5, and I can only hope that in 15-20 years we can build to that point. However, the on the field product isn't going to be that much different. Even the last two match-ups while we were FCS were close games. The last meeting in 2012 was 14-13 until ECU took a KO back for TD, and then tacked on a late TD to make it look worse. In 2009 they beat us 29-25 with the Apps running out of time with the ball after making a big comeback. Now that we have equal scholarships I'd like to see how things turn out.

At the end of the day we are both G5 now, and until one of us is in a P5 conference (not going to happen) we will always be looked down on by the ACC schools in NC. Even though we have both proven we can beat them on the field.

Have you though? When has App beaten NC State or UNC in football? In the last 20 years?