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I don't think this is a particularly important class. No graduating bigs next year; point guard was the only real priority and we got one locked down. I think Hardnett plus a transfer is likely at this point to replace the 2-3 that are leaving. Anything else is gravy.

BB recruiting rankings are heavily dependent on quantity - with only one commit/no immediate needs, I don't think a 109 ranking is that concerning.

I think one signing, a guy who is rated a 2 star by ESPN, and a #109 class ranking should be very concerning for a program that aspires to be in the top 25 each year. In the past, Bearcat fans were told the outdated arena was the biggest barrier to improved recruiting.

Maybe help is on the way and we just don't know it yet. If that's the case I'm fine with high impact late signings. But UC loses 1/3 of the scoring from this team when Clark and Washington depart. If Evans leaves early, the challenge is even greater. I don't see evidence of a "ready now" offensive threat among the bigs.

(02-22-2018 12:34 AM)InspectorHound Wrote:  I don't think this is a particularly important class. No graduating bigs next year; point guard was the only real priority and we got one locked down. I think Hardnett plus a transfer is likely at this point to replace the 2-3 that are leaving. Anything else is gravy.

BB recruiting rankings are heavily dependent on quantity - with only one commit/no immediate needs, I don't think a 109 ranking is that concerning.

no immediate needs?

(02-22-2018 08:53 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I think one signing, a guy who is rated a 2 star by ESPN, and a #109 class ranking should be very concerning for a program that aspires to be in the top 25 each year. In the past, Bearcat fans were told the outdated arena was the biggest barrier to improved recruiting.

Maybe help is on the way and we just don't know it yet. If that's the case I'm fine with high impact late signings. But UC loses 1/3 of the scoring from this team when Clark and Washington depart. If Evans leaves early, the challenge is even greater. I don't see evidence of a "ready now" offensive threat among the bigs.

I think every available scholarship is important. Each one provides an opportunity to improve your roster.

(02-22-2018 09:51 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:53 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I think one signing, a guy who is rated a 2 star by ESPN, and a #109 class ranking should be very concerning for a program that aspires to be in the top 25 each year. In the past, Bearcat fans were told the outdated arena was the biggest barrier to improved recruiting.

Maybe help is on the way and we just don't know it yet. If that's the case I'm fine with high impact late signings. But UC loses 1/3 of the scoring from this team when Clark and Washington depart. If Evans leaves early, the challenge is even greater. I don't see evidence of a "ready now" offensive threat among the bigs.

I think every available scholarship is important. Each one provides an opportunity to improve your roster.

Yea I never understood why we don't use our full scholarship limit? I don't think Mick is big on bringing in new guys thst could overtake an established players position. We saw.that with the Broome/Jennifer mishandling all year, and Cumberland/Johnson last year. This might also be why he backed away from Tyler Harris and why we don't seem to be recruiting any big guys next year.

I would rather bring in more competition, nobody should ever feel playing time is entitled simply because of time.

The recruiting is VERY concerning. I love Mick, but those in the program say he is too stubborn to change his ways. It's time to get aggressive in recruiting and go after some big dawgs. I hate to give The Mothership free advertising b/c they are the reason we're stuck on the outside of the P5, but checkout the recent article on Grand Canyon University, specifically the mention of how enhanced facilities have enhanced recruiting. This mid-major school is pulling in four star recruits......I would think with our soon-to-be 8 straight NCAA tourneys and new arena, we could do better than half a$$ing recruiting and settling for three star diamonds in the rough ranked in the 300-400s nationally. GO FOR SOME TOP 100 GUYS!!!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ter-desert

"The facilities have enhanced recruiting at GCU.

Four-star recruit Tim Finke rejected offers from Northwestern, Creighton, Notre Dame, Illinois and USC and committed to Grand Canyon in November. Casey Benson, a grad transfer who played in the Final Four with Oregon last season, is averaging 9.6 PPG and 5.0 APG this season."

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote:  The recruiting is VERY concerning. I love Mick, but those in the program say he is too stubborn to change his ways. It's time to get aggressive in recruiting and go after some big dawgs. I hate to give The Mothership free advertising b/c they are the reason we're stuck on the outside of the P5, but checkout the recent article on Grand Canyon University, specifically the mention of how enhanced facilities have enhanced recruiting. This mid-major school is pulling in four star recruits......I would think with our soon-to-be 8 straight NCAA tourneys and new arena, we could do better than half a$$ing recruiting and settling for three star diamonds in the rough ranked in the 300-400s nationally. GO FOR SOME TOP 100 GUYS!!!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ter-desert

"The facilities have enhanced recruiting at GCU.

Four-star recruit Tim Finke rejected offers from Northwestern, Creighton, Notre Dame, Illinois and USC and committed to Grand Canyon in November. Casey Benson, a grad transfer who played in the Final Four with Oregon last season, is averaging 9.6 PPG and 5.0 APG this season."

Finke didn't have commitable offers from any of those programs

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

That is what concerns me even more and even going into 2019. We are not even on the radar for any top 100-150 players for the next few classes. We are fighting it out with
Buffalo and Lasalle for a couple guys right now. Even guys in our own back yard. SK type diamond in the roughs don't happen very often.

Has Alonzo Gaffney (class of 2019, pops played here) even visited?

you just know that mick is looking for a serviceable juco big right now

(02-22-2018 11:06 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote:  Has Alonzo Gaffney (class of 2019, pops played here) even visited?

That's why his name was so familiar! Kevin Gaffney. Unfortunately, he looks like he's a heavy Ohio State lean.

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

Sometimes that happens when the coach knows he'll be moving on at season's end. But how else might we explain a ten year plus staff with strong recent success, a rich tradition and a sparkling new arena, consistently not even getting listed as a finalist for many of Ohio's best high school players? I know football recruiting is entirely different, but UC is getting attention from 4 star guys in state--even snagging a couple this year.

Perplexing, especially with abundant playing time up for grabs come November.

(02-22-2018 02:20 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

Sometimes that happens when the coach knows he'll be moving on at season's end. But how else might we explain a ten year plus staff with strong recent success, a rich tradition and a sparkling new arena, consistently not even getting listed as a finalist for many of Ohio's best high school players? I know football recruiting is entirely different, but UC is getting attention from 4 star guys in state--even snagging a couple this year.

Perplexing, especially with abundant playing time up for grabs come November.

Hard not wonder if something has happened between Mick and local HS and AAU programs to sour the relationship. I can only count on one hand the number of players over the years that have come from the Tri-State. Look at SLU, they have 2 top 100 local kids coming to their program next year.

The chances of landing legacy kids whose father's played at the school are iffy at best. Most kids do not want to follow in pop's footsteps for good reason.

Right now we are 7th in the conference in
Recruiting per 247– even behind ECU. Wichita and UConn have Top 40 classes and UH, third in the AAC. had landed a 4 star recruit.

Just flabbergasting

(02-22-2018 02:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 02:20 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

Sometimes that happens when the coach knows he'll be moving on at season's end. But how else might we explain a ten year plus staff with strong recent success, a rich tradition and a sparkling new arena, consistently not even getting listed as a finalist for many of Ohio's best high school players? I know football recruiting is entirely different, but UC is getting attention from 4 star guys in state--even snagging a couple this year.

Perplexing, especially with abundant playing time up for grabs come November.

Hard not wonder if something has happened between Mick and local HS and AAU programs to sour the relationship. I can only count on one hand the number of players over the years that have come from the Tri-State. Look at SLU, they have 2 top 100 local kids coming to their program next year.

AAU coaches/teams/organizations want their players to go pro. Mick has sent one kid to the NBA, and even that one hasn't really stuck.

(02-22-2018 05:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Right now we are 7th in the conference in
Recruiting per 247– even behind ECU. Wichita and UConn have Top 40 classes and UH, third in the AAC. had landed a 4 star recruit.

Just flabbergasting

You mean the ECU that doesn't even have a coach? Hasn't ever made the tournament? That ECU

(02-22-2018 05:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 02:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 02:20 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:18 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:24 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Why is our recruiting so bad in this cycle? Right now with our one 3 star recruit, we are ranked 109 on two four seven. That seems terrible this far into the year.

Agreed. Recruiting is beyond awful right now. No clue what in the world is going on. It seems like they are barely even targeting anyone other than a couple of guys. Just totally bizarre to see what has happened to UC recruiting. This is as bad as I've ever seen it.

Sometimes that happens when the coach knows he'll be moving on at season's end. But how else might we explain a ten year plus staff with strong recent success, a rich tradition and a sparkling new arena, consistently not even getting listed as a finalist for many of Ohio's best high school players? I know football recruiting is entirely different, but UC is getting attention from 4 star guys in state--even snagging a couple this year.

Perplexing, especially with abundant playing time up for grabs come November.

Hard not wonder if something has happened between Mick and local HS and AAU programs to sour the relationship. I can only count on one hand the number of players over the years that have come from the Tri-State. Look at SLU, they have 2 top 100 local kids coming to their program next year.

AAU coaches/teams/organizations want their players to go pro. Mick has sent one kid to the NBA, and even that one hasn't really stuck.

Do you mean Lance or SK?

Let's not get too carried away yet. Could be a very interesting year in recruiting if the FBI investigation is as thorough as reports are indicating. This might be the perfect year to have a lot of flexibility if a bunch of recruits end up scrambling due to a change in plans...