(07-13-2015 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 07:59 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  A CUSA-Network isn't a bad idea, except market share isn't large enough for an actual tv network, and content creation would be a tad expensive. We could create an Internet TV station that plays all the games that aren't on tv, replays, coaches shows and even media days for fall sports and then charge a monthly fee for the network. I know I would pay for it for sure.

I see what you did there.

The next thing we need to do is create an app that allows access to watch the CUSA Network on a smart TV, roku, Apple TV, chrome stick or any device other than a computer.

Tell me this. How many of us here wouldn't pay $15 to $20 for reliable CUSA tv coverage that we could bring with us everywhere we went. No more threads about what Foxsports direction channel will be playing it or will be blacked out. No more sifting through craploads of P5 love fest yik yak while we try to enjoy our own darn football game coverage. The SEC Network, BigTen NEtwork and Pac12 Network are really cool and I would love a dedicated network for all 14 CUSA programs. Even if it is at a lower level.

I'm not in-network for CUSA but if something like this was an app or available online I would subscribe monthly for $25-$30. I imagine there aren't enough of us though to make it feasible.

Maybe, but maybe not. The Networks purchase our rights for a reason. We are a commodity in a sense. Lets just totally make up some numbers. Lets say we each have 7500 alumni that purchases the Network Membership. That's 105000 paying customers at , lets say, $27.50 a month. 105,000 x $27.50 x 12 = $34,650,000.00. That doesn't include the advertising revenue which would be anywhere from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 if done properly. The big question is cost. How much would it cost each school to produce programing plus a studio. Lets say each program cost about $1,000,000.00 to produce that's $14,000,000 of the heap rounding each schools pay out to anywhere from $3.26 Million to $2.26 million. These are fake numbers to illustrate a point and no animals were harmed during the production of this post!

Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

(07-13-2015 03:38 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I see what you did there.

The next thing we need to do is create an app that allows access to watch the CUSA Network on a smart TV, roku, Apple TV, chrome stick or any device other than a computer.

Tell me this. How many of us here wouldn't pay $15 to $20 for reliable CUSA tv coverage that we could bring with us everywhere we went. No more threads about what Foxsports direction channel will be playing it or will be blacked out. No more sifting through craploads of P5 love fest yik yak while we try to enjoy our own darn football game coverage. The SEC Network, BigTen NEtwork and Pac12 Network are really cool and I would love a dedicated network for all 14 CUSA programs. Even if it is at a lower level.

I'm not in-network for CUSA but if something like this was an app or available online I would subscribe monthly for $25-$30. I imagine there aren't enough of us though to make it feasible.

Maybe, but maybe not. The Networks purchase our rights for a reason. We are a commodity in a sense. Lets just totally make up some numbers. Lets say we each have 7500 alumni that purchases the Network Membership. That's 105000 paying customers at , lets say, $27.50 a month. 105,000 x $27.50 x 12 = $34,650,000.00. That doesn't include the advertising revenue which would be anywhere from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 if done properly. The big question is cost. How much would it cost each school to produce programing plus a studio. Lets say each program cost about $1,000,000.00 to produce that's $14,000,000 of the heap rounding each schools pay out to anywhere from $3.26 Million to $2.26 million. These are fake numbers to illustrate a point and no animals were harmed during the production of this post!

Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

These are just numbers I made up. I know that Pac12 makes around 57 million in revenue off their cable network. That's .39 cents per subscriber per month in 12.3 million homes. Think about the core fan base you have at each school. If we had a deal that was .30 cents per subscriber per month ours would be around 44.28 Million. I talking the folks that donate to the Athletic foundation, season tix holders in multiple sports, etc. The scenario I painted was rosy but not out of hand. There is a market for our product. No its not Pac12 but I bet its better than 1 million a year we are getting now.

(07-13-2015 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:38 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Tell me this. How many of us here wouldn't pay $15 to $20 for reliable CUSA tv coverage that we could bring with us everywhere we went. No more threads about what Foxsports direction channel will be playing it or will be blacked out. No more sifting through craploads of P5 love fest yik yak while we try to enjoy our own darn football game coverage. The SEC Network, BigTen NEtwork and Pac12 Network are really cool and I would love a dedicated network for all 14 CUSA programs. Even if it is at a lower level.

I'm not in-network for CUSA but if something like this was an app or available online I would subscribe monthly for $25-$30. I imagine there aren't enough of us though to make it feasible.

Maybe, but maybe not. The Networks purchase our rights for a reason. We are a commodity in a sense. Lets just totally make up some numbers. Lets say we each have 7500 alumni that purchases the Network Membership. That's 105000 paying customers at , lets say, $27.50 a month. 105,000 x $27.50 x 12 = $34,650,000.00. That doesn't include the advertising revenue which would be anywhere from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 if done properly. The big question is cost. How much would it cost each school to produce programing plus a studio. Lets say each program cost about $1,000,000.00 to produce that's $14,000,000 of the heap rounding each schools pay out to anywhere from $3.26 Million to $2.26 million. These are fake numbers to illustrate a point and no animals were harmed during the production of this post!

Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

These are just numbers I made up. I know that Pac12 makes around 57 million in revenue off their cable network. That's .39 cents per subscriber per month in 12.3 million homes. Think about the core fan base you have at each school. If we had a deal that was .30 cents per subscriber per month ours would be around 44.28 Million. I talking the folks that donate to the Athletic foundation, season tix holders in multiple sports, etc. The scenario I painted was rosy but not out of hand. There is a market for our product. No its not Pac12 but I bet its better than 1 million a year we are getting now.

If the separate athletic foundations offerred priority points for joining, I'm sure you could get a lot more folks to sign up. But the price would have to be a lot more reasonable than $25 or $30 a month. $10 max.

I mean we could easily bring in 14 million in tv revenue while not giving up any media rights to anyone who would put us on the backburner. CUSA already has a tv studio and some of the infra structure to start off. Even if we went by the much modest numbers that you are claiming. 4k per school x 14 x 12 x $27.50 = $18,480,000. That doesn't even include revenue made from advertising which if it was say 5 million, would be huge.

(07-13-2015 03:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:38 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I'm not in-network for CUSA but if something like this was an app or available online I would subscribe monthly for $25-$30. I imagine there aren't enough of us though to make it feasible.

Maybe, but maybe not. The Networks purchase our rights for a reason. We are a commodity in a sense. Lets just totally make up some numbers. Lets say we each have 7500 alumni that purchases the Network Membership. That's 105000 paying customers at , lets say, $27.50 a month. 105,000 x $27.50 x 12 = $34,650,000.00. That doesn't include the advertising revenue which would be anywhere from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 if done properly. The big question is cost. How much would it cost each school to produce programing plus a studio. Lets say each program cost about $1,000,000.00 to produce that's $14,000,000 of the heap rounding each schools pay out to anywhere from $3.26 Million to $2.26 million. These are fake numbers to illustrate a point and no animals were harmed during the production of this post!

Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

These are just numbers I made up. I know that Pac12 makes around 57 million in revenue off their cable network. That's .39 cents per subscriber per month in 12.3 million homes. Think about the core fan base you have at each school. If we had a deal that was .30 cents per subscriber per month ours would be around 44.28 Million. I talking the folks that donate to the Athletic foundation, season tix holders in multiple sports, etc. The scenario I painted was rosy but not out of hand. There is a market for our product. No its not Pac12 but I bet its better than 1 million a year we are getting now.

If the separate athletic foundations offerred priority points for joining, I'm sure you could get a lot more folks to sign up. But the price would have to be a lot more reasonable than $25 or $30 a month. $10 max.

I pay $10 just for my rivals account. Live media content plus coaches shows and media day coverage is well worth more than double that.

(07-13-2015 04:00 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:38 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Maybe, but maybe not. The Networks purchase our rights for a reason. We are a commodity in a sense. Lets just totally make up some numbers. Lets say we each have 7500 alumni that purchases the Network Membership. That's 105000 paying customers at , lets say, $27.50 a month. 105,000 x $27.50 x 12 = $34,650,000.00. That doesn't include the advertising revenue which would be anywhere from $10,000,000 to $25,000,000 if done properly. The big question is cost. How much would it cost each school to produce programing plus a studio. Lets say each program cost about $1,000,000.00 to produce that's $14,000,000 of the heap rounding each schools pay out to anywhere from $3.26 Million to $2.26 million. These are fake numbers to illustrate a point and no animals were harmed during the production of this post!

Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

These are just numbers I made up. I know that Pac12 makes around 57 million in revenue off their cable network. That's .39 cents per subscriber per month in 12.3 million homes. Think about the core fan base you have at each school. If we had a deal that was .30 cents per subscriber per month ours would be around 44.28 Million. I talking the folks that donate to the Athletic foundation, season tix holders in multiple sports, etc. The scenario I painted was rosy but not out of hand. There is a market for our product. No its not Pac12 but I bet its better than 1 million a year we are getting now.

If the separate athletic foundations offerred priority points for joining, I'm sure you could get a lot more folks to sign up. But the price would have to be a lot more reasonable than $25 or $30 a month. $10 max.

I pay $10 just for my rivals account. Live media content plus coaches shows and media day coverage is well worth more than double that.

Do you really believe most folks would pay more for a CUSA Network than they do for HBO?

(07-13-2015 04:01 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:00 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 03:38 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Interesting thoughts for sure. I know very little about what it costs to produce a college game and any associated costs with distribution, etc. But one thing I can be sure of is that it is extremely unlikely that 7500 alumni from any of our schools would subscribe to something like this. Most of us would be lucky to get 2500-3000 and that severely reduces the revenue and feasibility.

These are just numbers I made up. I know that Pac12 makes around 57 million in revenue off their cable network. That's .39 cents per subscriber per month in 12.3 million homes. Think about the core fan base you have at each school. If we had a deal that was .30 cents per subscriber per month ours would be around 44.28 Million. I talking the folks that donate to the Athletic foundation, season tix holders in multiple sports, etc. The scenario I painted was rosy but not out of hand. There is a market for our product. No its not Pac12 but I bet its better than 1 million a year we are getting now.

If the separate athletic foundations offerred priority points for joining, I'm sure you could get a lot more folks to sign up. But the price would have to be a lot more reasonable than $25 or $30 a month. $10 max.

I pay $10 just for my rivals account. Live media content plus coaches shows and media day coverage is well worth more than double that.

Do you really believe most folks would pay more for a CUSA Network than they do for HBO?

CUSA fans aren't most folks. Its basically paper view for CUSA Content 24/7. You are comparing apples to oranges.

(07-13-2015 04:00 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I pay $10 just for my rivals account. Live media content plus coaches shows and media day coverage is well worth more than double that.

Ask your admin how many folks pay for rivals. If it's over 50 I will buy you a beer.

Let me put it this way instead. I have 2 season tickets at Louisiana Tech which is around $400, plus my donation to LTAC for the minimum of $500 to get my parking pass. Paying $300 would effectively be me paying season ticket prices for the other 6 away games I wouldn't normally get to see. Plus it would give me Baseball, Basketball, Olympic Sports and Coaches shows as a added bonus. That is something we could sell at any of our 14 Institutions.

(07-12-2015 06:21 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  ASN is pretty close our own network, IMO.

This! Just re-brand it the CUSA Network.

(07-13-2015 04:08 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Let me put it this way instead. I have 2 season tickets at Louisiana Tech which is around $400, plus my donation to LTAC for the minimum of $500 to get my parking pass. Paying $300 would effectively be me paying season ticket prices for the other 6 away games I wouldn't normally get to see. Plus it would give me Baseball, Basketball, Olympic Sports and Coaches shows as a added bonus. That is something we could sell at any of our 14 Institutions.

The problem is your comparing yourself to the average fan. There just aren't enough of us that would pay that a month.

(07-13-2015 04:07 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:00 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I pay $10 just for my rivals account. Live media content plus coaches shows and media day coverage is well worth more than double that.

Ask your admin how many folks pay for rivals. If it's over 50 I will buy you a beer.

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(07-13-2015 04:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 06:21 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  ASN is pretty close our own network, IMO.

This! Just re-brand it the CUSA Network.

This would be solid too. I am not here trying to sell something. this is all hypothetical in every sense. I am just exploring ways for CUSA to produce Football games without us having to be enslaved by the ESPiNs and Fox! of the world.

(07-13-2015 03:59 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I mean we could easily bring in 14 million in tv revenue while not giving up any media rights to anyone who would put us on the backburner. CUSA already has a tv studio and some of the infra structure to start off. Even if we went by the much modest numbers that you are claiming. 4k per school x 14 x 12 x $27.50 = $18,480,000. That doesn't even include revenue made from advertising which if it was say 5 million, would be huge.

I know you are just throwing out a hypothetical so don't take this as an attack. But 4k per school is still way too high. Most of the schools in this conference don't have that many athletic donors. I also agree with the other poster who believes $25-30 is too high. That is what I would pay but I imagine the average fan, even donor, would not be willing to go much higher than $10-15.

(07-13-2015 04:20 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 06:21 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  ASN is pretty close our own network, IMO.

This! Just re-brand it the CUSA Network.

This would be solid too. I am not here trying to sell something. this is all hypothetical in every sense. I am just exploring ways for CUSA to produce Football games without us having to be enslaved by the ESPiNs and Fox! of the world.

Right now, it's my understanding that CUSA doesn't really get paid for the games being broadcast on ASN. Fine. Then why can't BB approach ASN about a "partnership" that includes:

1) CUSA re-branding "ASN Sports" (or whatever its called), and both parties rescheduling the sports programming to include all CUSA major sports under the heading of "CUSA Network".

2) Let CUSA sell subscriptions to it's alumni, fan base and other interests for the CUSA Network. Some subscriptions could even be offered by the university, and included in my annual LTAC membership, in return for my annual donation. Each university could even offer a 3-month subscription to each of its' graduating classes as a fire starter.

3)The ASN-CUSA partnership could sell advertising and corporate sponsorships together, specific to the CUSA Network. And with TV's help, there's no reason a corporate sponsor couldn't be found to sponsor the CUSA Championship football game and the CUSA mens and women's basketball tournaments each year. Right now, there are currently no sponsors of these events to my knowledge.

Fact is, I don't know all the details, but the people in the TV business do. As a relatively new network, ASN desperately needs content, and CUSA desperately needs exposure. What I do know is that TV DRIVES THE BUS!!! And the fact that CUSA is a G5 conference, is of little consequence.

I am a firm believer that TV can make the conference bigger and better, not the other way around. "Championship Wrestling" wasn't a fantastic product, but TV made "Championship Wrestling" a very big deal! "Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC)" didn't make TV famous.....rather, TV made "UFC" a household name. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture.

The point is, just because CUSA is not as large as the SEC or Big 1G, it doesn't mean CUSA can't grow to be just as big a success on television. We gotta do this!

If you want to increase you subscriber base, include broadcasts of productions from the member schools' arts, theatre, music, dance departments. Football isn't on tv everyday. Also, if we got reaaaaaaly creative, schools could offer "online" courses on this network, especially if it is available on the web. We could televise track meets, guest speakers, commencements, golf tournaments, tennis matches, volleyball. Let the students in the RTF programs work on the less-viewed stuff. We could have student-created documentaries highlighting the important research taking place at our universities.

Just a thought.

Maybe 2,000 fans per school at $10/month....MAYBE.

That would at least be much more realistic numbers imo.

Add the fee for the network to season ticket sales. Season ticket holders get tickets to the home games and a link to the away games. Later, if you want the link to all of CUSA network, then you need to at least buy a few tickets to home games. Boosts attendance to the games. You get to see everything going on in CUSA from nuts to bolts. Speaking of coaches shows and sports forums, you could take something from the wrestling and have one show invade the other with fake chairs flying, interviews where one coach calls out another, real rivalry stuff

(07-13-2015 03:03 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 01:59 PM)Artifice Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 07:59 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  A CUSA-Network isn't a bad idea, except market share isn't large enough for an actual tv network, and content creation would be a tad expensive. We could create an Internet TV station that plays all the games that aren't on tv, replays, coaches shows and even media days for fall sports and then charge a monthly fee for the network. I know I would pay for it for sure.

I see what you did there.

The next thing we need to do is create an app that allows access to watch the CUSA Network on a smart TV, roku, Apple TV, chrome stick or any device other than a computer.

Slightly off topic, but if you don't happen to own a smart TV and don't want to have to deal with waiting for an ASN "app" dor you streaming devices, at the end of the month, several companies will have a PC Stick, running full blown Windows 10 (full PC environment) for MSRP's already announced as low as $99. I suspect they'll be cheaper than that soon after release. Intel already has one out, but it's running Windows 8.1 until the free upgrade on 7/29, and is the priciest of the bunch at $149.

The standard config for them seems to be 2GB of RAM and either 32GB or 64 GB storage. Windows 10 is a lot less of a resource hog, so this will be a solid, cheap upgrade to any existing non-smart HDTV. You can also just plug them into an HDMI slot on most modern AVR's so you can get full HT sound.

Just another option for watching ASN and doing some web surfing in the comfort of your den/HT room.

Here's what they look like. As you can see from the ports, it's expandable and it has Bluetooth for a wireless keyboard/mouse combo, etc.

That's really cool, but I don't want to have to have a keyboard and mouse in my living room. If I can control it from my phone then we're in business.

There are already apps on Google play store to control with phone or tablet.

Based on frequent viewings of ASN internet streams of the two main revenue sports, football and basketball, last season, ASN didn't sell a single paid online ad. Every single commercial break was filled with ad council produced ads, which 5 minutes of internet research suggests are $0 revenue ads.

Then on top of that you are asking for folks to pay for something they currently get for free. And to possibly add more production costs to create more content.

Niner National had it right earlier in the thread. ASN needs to continue working with partner conferences to build viewership and generate advertising dollars based on viewership. As cord cutting accelerates, ASN's regional OTA and web based distribution model becomes more viable and future proof. Cord cutting may even eventually push more G5 and regional content their way, when ESPN can no longer afford to hand out multiple bags of cash at the next TV re-up. They may start getting choosier, which will start a domino effect that may marginalize more content. Or maybe Fox picks it up for cheap. Either way, ASN is still a good option during this transition.