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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
$10M exit fee is laughably terrible. One of the sillier ideas I've seen floated out here.

A scenario many have neglected to mention is a shake up so big there's a reshuffling of G5 or a new conference formed.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-12-2015 08:24 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 08:14 PM)Hopeful Wrote:  I believe high exit fees is too brash a way to pursue stability. Guarding the door isn't a good look

I'd argue that its a statement of solidarity. If the vote passes, how is it guarding the door? The ACC has a 50 million dollar grant of rights. It's just smart business to protect yourself from silver tongued devils. Who here hasn't had star players in their team recruited via back door channels? It's the same thing. There has to be safeguards and penalties to stem any poaching (for the security of the group). We have a lot invested in each other.

I understand that.

From that perspective, it's really to ensure that the institutions left behind aren't just left in the wind with nothing to show for it. That makes sense, but upping them to a degree is not a good sign. The message that would send, in my opinion, is desperate and destabilizing, though.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
It won't do anything.

Besides like schools should be allowed to cluster together. It's good for college sports. Except in the case of poor Cinci/UConn being clustered with Tulane/SMU in terms of program following size.

Same could be said for UNM/Boise St/SDSU/Fresno St being clustered with San Jose St, etc.

Similarity in programs tends to bring out rivalry. Because it's separation from each other, that they seek.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-12-2015 10:34 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  Count me in the category that is tired of programs like UCF using the conference to grow their program and then taking off for perceived 'greener pastures'...

I don't think we need a GOR but I do think a SIGNIFICANT exit fee penalty, in the range of 10-15 million, would make it cost prohibitive to move within the "G5" realm.. and that's really where we should be guarding our flank.

This Big 12 talk has me a little on guard. This is a vital time for CUSA. We're just welcoming Charlotte back, and UAB needs to rebuild, ODU and UTSA are continuing their transitions... If we get poached in the next few years, it'll put us back at square 1 again.

That's why we need to price all the "G5s" out of competition. If a CUSA team has an invite to a P5, God Bless Em, I'm sure they'll be able to pay the 10-15 million, and that will give all of us some way to sustain our conference.

That said, we all need to commit SOON to drawing the line in the sand against the AAC and MWC because when we got into the "program building business" it wasn't so we could serve as a farm system to other G5s. There is a lot of potential for CUSA to be the 'best of the rest' sooner than later.

If someone wants to sell out that plan, let's make them PAY to make a lateral move. Because, if they have to, they WONT.

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Back to square 1? Lol, we are at square 0 right now. UAB just got set back to a start up again in addition to the new FBS teams we have (3).

It is what it is. If a p5 comes calling any cusa school, you can't blame them for leaving.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible. One of the sillier ideas I've seen floated out here.

A scenario many have neglected to mention is a shake up so big there's a reshuffling of G5 or a new conference formed.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, and La Tech were all already in CUSA the day you guys accepted an invitation, and NOW you'd rather not play conference games west of the Mississippi?
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Re: RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-13-2015 05:09 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.

I don't really understand the possible harm. "Even more depleted CUSA"? CUSA has always been a conference of transition focused on schools with potential.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-12-2015 10:10 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 11:44 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  3.) The probability that CUSA loses a program, other than USM. If we have no exit fee, and a program like UTEP, Charlotte, or ODU is poached after CUSA invested years after moving them up from fbs (to perhaps see them turn into a UCF), the result would be that USM is left again in a conference without a strong team(s) that is/are bringing attention to CUSA.

We fundamentally disagree about the nature of the conference school relationship. Conferences don't invest in schools they provide benefits. Schools invest in themselves and by extension the conference. If a current CUSA gets what they consider a better offer why should they be punished? How have they failed to meet their obligations to CUSA? I get that exit fees are the cost if doing business and likely necessary to make up the cost to the conference to locate a replacement but they shouldn't be seen or used as a deterrent.

The most sane post in the entire thread.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
(07-13-2015 08:13 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I don't really understand the possible harm. "Even more depleted CUSA"? CUSA has always been a conference of transition focused on schools with potential.

Believe it or not, when the Metro merged with the Great Midwest, being a feeder system was the furthest intention for what was really a pretty decent conference.

Believe it or not, most of the programs here wont be transitioning to another conference. This is our home.

Believe it or not, the autonomy split (i.e. the "P5" and "G5" designations) has changed the landscape for CUSA and the other G5 programs. CUSA is no longer threatened to lose anyone to a P5 league, and there is no tangible transition to be made from one G5 to another G5 conference.

So, it's not unreasonable, for those remaining in this conference, that the "schools with potential" actually benefit the conference that nurtured that potential. And, if not, to receive a substantial sum for that investment. After all, we're supposed to be in direct competition for that access spot.

We shouldn't be complicit in helping rig the game against ourselves, Colorado fan.
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RE: CUSA Should Raise Exit Fees. 10 mill minimum (to stave off the poachers)
Here's an idea for you Bo. Instead of locking the door behind new members, how about putting a $10MM entrance fee (abolish the exit fee) and then proclaim to the rest of the G5's that C-USA is open for business and will now expand to 16 members? Since it appears that C-USA is building powerhouse brands, the $10MM entrance fee shouldn't scare anyone, right?
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Was there not some exception rule that founding members only paid $500,000? As long as that stays in place, then make it as high as you want as far as USM is concerned. (Disclaimer: Not that we have anywhere to go or any plan for getting there at this time.)
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(07-13-2015 05:34 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible. One of the sillier ideas I've seen floated out here.

A scenario many have neglected to mention is a shake up so big there's a reshuffling of G5 or a new conference formed.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, and La Tech were all already in CUSA the day you guys accepted an invitation, and NOW you'd rather not play conference games west of the Mississippi?

Just because I'd rather play in CUSA than the Sun Belt doesn't mean I love the geography, I'm happy to be here, I just believe in small footprints.
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(07-13-2015 09:45 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Here's an idea for you Bo. Instead of locking the door behind new members

Is that what they call handing out golden tickets these days? Nobody's locking anything. Exit fees have been around for a long time.
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(07-13-2015 10:28 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Just because I'd rather play in CUSA than the Sun Belt doesn't mean I love the geography, I'm happy to be here, I just believe in small footprints.

No fbs conference has a small footprint these days. The more you shrink the footprint, the level of competition shrinks as well. If you prefer to drop down a division, I'm sure you'll get the desired footprint.
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(07-13-2015 05:09 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.

Where did I say my reshuffled conference included anyone other than Sun Belt and CUSA? So long as Marshall is still around I'd at least approach Ohio, but I'm not deluded enough to think Memphis, UCF, or ECU are going to be involved.

Bar the doors and enjoy your wacky hostage plot that no one else is signing off on, it's a solid gold plan! Meanwhile, I'm going to believe in MT's future and hope that we are a banner program for CUSA for years to come, but I'm not siging up to be your hostage.
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(07-13-2015 10:40 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:28 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 05:34 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible. One of the sillier ideas I've seen floated out here.

A scenario many have neglected to mention is a shake up so big there's a reshuffling of G5 or a new conference formed.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, and La Tech were all already in CUSA the day you guys accepted an invitation, and NOW you'd rather not play conference games west of the Mississippi?

Just because I'd rather play in CUSA than the Sun Belt doesn't mean I love the geography, I'm happy to be here, I just believe in small footprints.

No fbs conference has a small footprint these days.

FBS football didn't have playoffs before 2014, were people wrong for wanting them?

Anyhow, your division's east to west footprint is larger than the east to west footprint of the entire MAC.
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(07-13-2015 10:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 05:09 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.

Where did I say my reshuffled conference included anyone other than Sun Belt and CUSA? So long as Marshall is still around I'd at least approach Ohio, but I'm not deluded enough to think Memphis, UCF, or ECU are going to be involved.

Bar the doors and enjoy your wacky hostage plot that no one else is signing off on, it's a solid gold plan! Meanwhile, I'm going to believe in MT's future and hope that we are a banner program for CUSA for years to come, but I'm not siging up to be your hostage.

Believe me, MTSU will never be anyone's hostage. 03-lmfao

The reason you'll never see your regional conference dream fulfilled is because all of the decent athletic programs within drivable distance don't want to play MTSU.

But, in the spirit of maintaining competitive fairness, CUSA should get paid if a competitor wants to fish off our pier. CUSA didn't make the rules but it needs to adapt if it's going to play by them. The MWC sure had to adapt.
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(07-13-2015 10:46 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:40 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:28 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 05:34 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible. One of the sillier ideas I've seen floated out here.

A scenario many have neglected to mention is a shake up so big there's a reshuffling of G5 or a new conference formed.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, and La Tech were all already in CUSA the day you guys accepted an invitation, and NOW you'd rather not play conference games west of the Mississippi?

Just because I'd rather play in CUSA than the Sun Belt doesn't mean I love the geography, I'm happy to be here, I just believe in small footprints.

No fbs conference has a small footprint these days.

FBS football didn't have playoffs before 2014, were people wrong for wanting them?

Anyhow, your division's east to west footprint is larger than the east to west footprint of the entire MAC.

With one major outlier... (UTEP)

All told, this version of CUSA is very regionalized. Banowsky handed out golden tickets specifically so CUSA could be more regional. That's the impetus behind the investments the incumbent CUSA programs made for programs that fit a strategy that you're claiming to adhere to.
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(07-13-2015 10:49 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 05:09 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.

Where did I say my reshuffled conference included anyone other than Sun Belt and CUSA? So long as Marshall is still around I'd at least approach Ohio, but I'm not deluded enough to think Memphis, UCF, or ECU are going to be involved.

Bar the doors and enjoy your wacky hostage plot that no one else is signing off on, it's a solid gold plan! Meanwhile, I'm going to believe in MT's future and hope that we are a banner program for CUSA for years to come, but I'm not siging up to be your hostage.

Believe me, MTSU will never be anyone's hostage. 03-lmfao

The reason you'll never see your regional conference dream fulfilled is because all of the decent athletic programs within drivable distance don't want to play MTSU.

But, in the spirit of maintaining competitive fairness, CUSA should get paid if a competitor wants to fish off our pier. CUSA didn't make the rules but it needs to adapt if it's going to play by them.

You're missing the point, but coming from a guy who thinks $10M dollars to get out of CUSA is a good idea, that's not surprising.

There are good programs in the Sun Belt in that footprint, I'd gladly be conference mates with South Alabama again and while I'm not entirely sold on Georgia Southern or App State, the early results are promising. Again, I'm not saying I'm looking to get out, I'm not saying I'm looking to kick anyone to the curb, I'm simply saying that if at some point in the future we had the opportunity to be in conference that was relatively equal to our current conference at the time that doesn't include members that are closer to Los Angeles than they are to Murfreesboro, that might be an opportunity I'd want to take.
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(07-13-2015 11:06 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:49 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 05:09 AM)BoKnows Wrote:  
(07-12-2015 10:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  $10M exit fee is laughably terrible.

I'm not looking to join the AAC, but if our leadership determined it was the right move, I'd be on board, but playing in a more regional conference of a similar strength to CUSA is appealing. With all due respect to those members, I couldn't care less if we ever played another conference game in Texas, or really west of the Mississippi for that matter.

It's no more laughable than a $50 million Grant of Rights. That's the whole point of it.
Your regional conference scenario is more laughable. That's just not going to happen outside of the Sunbelt or CUSA structures. New conferences only form when there's money driving it. No new contracts = no new conference (i.e. this is a business).
There wont be another fbs regional conference because of all the hurdles/red tape involved.
Unless something amazing happens, it is highly probable that the MTSU will be playing in an even more depleted CUSA than it will the AAC. If you want to whistle in the graveyard, you'll soon be able to do it in your home stadium.

Where did I say my reshuffled conference included anyone other than Sun Belt and CUSA? So long as Marshall is still around I'd at least approach Ohio, but I'm not deluded enough to think Memphis, UCF, or ECU are going to be involved.

Bar the doors and enjoy your wacky hostage plot that no one else is signing off on, it's a solid gold plan! Meanwhile, I'm going to believe in MT's future and hope that we are a banner program for CUSA for years to come, but I'm not siging up to be your hostage.

Believe me, MTSU will never be anyone's hostage. 03-lmfao

The reason you'll never see your regional conference dream fulfilled is because all of the decent athletic programs within drivable distance don't want to play MTSU.

But, in the spirit of maintaining competitive fairness, CUSA should get paid if a competitor wants to fish off our pier. CUSA didn't make the rules but it needs to adapt if it's going to play by them.

You're missing the point, but coming from a guy who thinks $10M dollars to get out of CUSA is a good idea, that's not surprising.

There are good programs in the Sun Belt in that footprint, I'd gladly be conference mates with South Alabama again and while I'm not entirely sold on Georgia Southern or App State, the early results are promising. Again, I'm not saying I'm looking to get out, I'm not saying I'm looking to kick anyone to the curb, I'm simply saying that if at some point in the future we had the opportunity to be in conference that was relatively equal to our current conference at the time that doesn't include members that are closer to Los Angeles than they are to Murfreesboro, that might be an opportunity I'd want to take.

Again, UTEP is an outlier...

MTSU could have stayed in the Sunbelt. I don't think anyone would have cared. If you'd rather bring South Alabama to your gyms than UTEP, then that speaks a lot about your vision for MTSU's future.

There are levels to this... and you seem to be oblivious.

And there's nothing wrong with that... But, we just have different mentalities as it pertains to competing on a bigger stage. If it were up to you, MTSU would be the belle of the county fair.
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