SEC adds UNC, Duke, Virginia and Georgia Tech to its eastern division, moving Vandy and Missouri to the west. Go to 8 game schedule (full round robin in each division) with no crossovers. Anyone who wants a crossover, like Vandy and Tennessee, schedule it OOC.

ACC then adds Texas, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, OK State, Kansas, K State and West Virginia. Put West Virginia in the East and move FSU and Clemson to the West. Same schedule format as above.

All 36 teams from SEC and ACC included in a single large conference network.

Sorry, Texas Tech and Iowa State. You get UConn'd.

SEC-Missouri and Arkansas leave. Then the SEC is back to 12 with logical divisions.

(07-10-2015 05:31 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 05:19 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  For the MWC:

The Big 12 adds Cincinnati and Memphis, weakening the AAC enough to induce Houston and SMU to jump to the MWC. BYU realizes it's not going to land a P5 invitation and also decides the MWC is its best available option. Finally the MWC adds Navy as a football-only member (similar to Hawaii) to round out the membership at 16 in football and 14 in other sports.

SMU wants nothing to do with the MWC.

So watching their rival TCU have great success in the MW which led to CC's along with BCS wins and ultimately a Big 12 invite didn't' get SMU's attention?
I tend to think they probably noticed.

A Mountain west with SMU, Houston, and BYU is a pretty nice setup IMO.

SMU will go to the Mwc if need be

(07-10-2015 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis? ACC?

Ummmmm no

I would think that as of right now Memphis would probably be in the top 5 expansion candidates for the ACC with UConn and Cinci well ahead of everyone else.

If the B1G and SEC ever steal 4+ teams from the ACC I bet they would get a serious look at being added.

(07-10-2015 01:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:12 AM)MJG Wrote:  I am going to list just a couple feel free to add more .
Alabama to the MAC or B1G is a waste of time but people can't resist so whatever.

MWC two CUSA Texas teams dominate that conference for a few years then they poach them . Rice and either UTEP or UTSA would be ideal.

The AAC They get Air Force and either CSU or New Mexico while both are winning consistently.

The MAC raids SBC for travel partner either Missouri ST /Ark ST or JMU/App ST or both.

C- USA wait until two SBC teams separate from the pack or two a combo like App ST/Ohio .

Big 12 Memphis and Cincinnati dominate the ACC a few years .

The SBC either UTA,UALR or Wichita ST adding football or all three.
Missouri St and JMU changing their minds and one other school stepping up.

Neither scenario will happen. The MWC isn't going to be able to snag two Texas programs from C-USA with their current bonus money distribution deal. In fact Their bonus money distribution seems to be creating issues within the MWC. The added cost of attendance will make funding even more troublesome for teams that get the short end of the bonus money, like UNLV. That is not a formula for stability, and not likely to help attract Texas programs from C-USA. Plus outside of maybe UTEP, no C-USA Texas program would enjoy playing mountain and pacific time kickoffs.

As far as adding from the Sun Belt goes... we could do that now. C-USA has 14 programs right now. UAB is set to resume football in 2016. C-USA just needs to stay the course and continue to grow our new version of the conference, not add more teams. We have great media markets. We just need to work on generating more interest in our programs, and increase attendance. The Texas programs in C-USA are developing some great rivalries. No one team is undefeated against all of the others. And fans are traveling well within the Texas programs. Fox Sports Southwest has done a great job of featuring these match-ups.

It's hard to overlook the separation Arkansas state and Louisiana have made. Not just in last 4/5 years of consistant winning but construction and growth. Ther is a huge gap between these 2 and the rest. The 1 program that could catch up is App state. We all know the market grab didn't work out well for CUSA. Even with bigger markets we fail to gain more viewers. Time to write the ship and add these 2 winners

(07-10-2015 11:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will go to the Mwc if need be

I'd love to see the PAC add BYU. SMU, TCU, and Baylor if the Big 12 dissolved. The religion division would be must see TV.

(07-10-2015 11:42 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis? ACC?

Ummmmm no

I would think that as of right now Memphis would probably be in the top 5 expansion candidates for the ACC with UConn and Cinci well ahead of everyone else.

If the B1G and SEC ever steal 4+ teams from the ACC I bet they would get a serious look at being added.

Right now? No way. Not even on the radar. The only AAC school that have a chance at ACC membership right now are Cincy, Tulane, and maybe SMU.

(07-10-2015 11:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 11:42 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis? ACC?

Ummmmm no

I would think that as of right now Memphis would probably be in the top 5 expansion candidates for the ACC with UConn and Cinci well ahead of everyone else.

If the B1G and SEC ever steal 4+ teams from the ACC I bet they would get a serious look at being added.

Right now? No way. Not even on the radar. The only AAC school that have a chance at ACC membership right now are Cincy, Tulane, and maybe SMU.

LOL. No way?

BTW you missed UConn. Pretty sure they would be on the ACC list as well. But don't let that get in the way of telling us how you know Memphis is not even on the ACC radar.

So they are mentioned as a Big 12 expansion candidate but not for the ACC. That makes lots of sense as well.

BB focused school that is an afterthought in their market and plays in a half full stadium. That screams ACC.

(07-11-2015 12:05 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 11:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 11:42 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis? ACC?

Ummmmm no

I would think that as of right now Memphis would probably be in the top 5 expansion candidates for the ACC with UConn and Cinci well ahead of everyone else.

If the B1G and SEC ever steal 4+ teams from the ACC I bet they would get a serious look at being added.

Right now? No way. Not even on the radar. The only AAC school that have a chance at ACC membership right now are Cincy, Tulane, and maybe SMU.

LOL. No way?

BTW you missed UConn. Pretty sure they would be on the ACC list as well. But don't let that get in the way of telling us how you know Memphis is not even on the ACC radar.

So they are mentioned as a Big 12 expansion candidate but not for the ACC. That makes lots of sense as well.

BB focused school that is an afterthought in their market and plays in a half full stadium. That screams ACC.

UConn doesn't have a chance with the ACC as currently constructed.

And many of the same reasons UConn doesn't have a chance are why Memphis doesn;t have a chance.

I will say this.....I would take Memphis before UConn if for not other reason than they do bring slightly more fertile recruiting grounds and if Memphis were in the ACC we would get the Liberty Bowl.

(07-10-2015 05:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  ACC then adds Texas, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, OK State, Kansas, K State and West Virginia. Put West Virginia in the East and move FSU and Clemson to the West. Same schedule format as above.

All 36 teams from SEC and ACC included in a single large conference network.

Sorry, Texas Tech and Iowa State. You get UConn'd.

Ken--- who do you root for? What t-shirt do you enjoy?

Texas Tech will never be left behind in any scenario.

(07-10-2015 05:19 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  For the MWC:

The Big 12 adds Cincinnati and Memphis, weakening the AAC enough to induce Houston and SMU to jump to the MWC. BYU realizes it's not going to land a P5 invitation and also decides the MWC is its best available option. Finally the MWC adds Navy as a football-only member (similar to Hawaii) to round out the membership at 16 in football and 14 in other sports.

If MWC can get the Texas schools including UTEP and UTSA? I could see a cooperation between them and PAC 12 where they have each other's back. Move a couple of teams over from the MWC to the PAC 12, and play each other in so many games. I could see Colorado State, Boise State, New Mexico and UTSA could be brought over to PAC 12 to 16. Houston, SMU and UTEP take their place in the MWC, and BYU, Eastern Washington and North Dakota State could make it a 32 team cooperation between the 2. If Big 12 make a pass at one of MWC Texas schools? Montana could slip in.

(07-11-2015 12:59 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 05:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  ACC then adds Texas, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, OK State, Kansas, K State and West Virginia. Put West Virginia in the East and move FSU and Clemson to the West. Same schedule format as above.

All 36 teams from SEC and ACC included in a single large conference network.

Sorry, Texas Tech and Iowa State. You get UConn'd.

Ken--- who do you root for? What t-shirt do you enjoy?

Texas Tech will never be left behind in any scenario.

I'm like Notre Dame and BYU - I prefer to remain independent.

My posts were really more of a dream scenario than something that could actually be put together. A more practical solution, IMO, requires that the NCAA prohibit FBS teams from counting a regular season FCS win for bowl eligibility. Instead, they should allow FBS schools to play a preseason exhibition game against the FCS, which doesn't count in any records or statistics, and keeps the regular season at 12 FBS games.

With that in place, I would negotiate for the ACC to acquire West Virginia without exit penalties. That plan didn't really work out for either WVU or the B12. A similar no exit fee move would let UNC, Duke, Virginia and Georgia Tech move to the SEC East, joining Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky. The SEC schedule would have no division crossovers.

The ACC then has two divisions. The North consists of BC, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville and new add Cincinnati. The South has FSU, Clemson, Miami, NC State, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech. They play a full division round robin, plus 3 crossover game with no permanent rivals. Everybody gets every team in the other division once home and once away every four years.

With these moves, everybody gets their main traditional rival every year. More to the point, they all get very attractive OOC games to help them fill their stadiums. For example, since Georgia Tech now gets Georgia in conference (not to mention Florida and Tennessee) and they get to keep their traditional annual game with Duke in conference, freeing them up to schedule Florida State and Clemson out of conference and still have two games available for buy games and record padding.

Clemson now can get both Georgia Tech and South Carolina OOC, while Florida State gets Florida and Georgia Tech without giving up either Miami or Clemson. Bottom line for the ACC, they now can fashion schedules that will both fill their stadiums and give them a CFP worthy schedule every year. They aren't the only beneficiaries. Va Tech could have Virginia and Tennessee annually. Virginia gets Va Tech and Maryland. The list of potential rivalry renewals goes on and on.

The big 12 is now down to 9 members, but hasn't lost anybody it makes geographic sense that they have. Adding West Virginia when they did served an important purpose at the time. But with TCU proving eminently P5 worthy (which some doubted a few years ago), the Big 12 is in less danger of breaking apart. With the SEC at 18 members, their appetite should be satisfied, leaving only the Big Ten as a serious threat in realignment. That's easier to deal with than worrying about all three of the eastern P5's.

Best scenario is that every conference is given an auto bid into a playoff system and the playoff revenue is split evenly, not 80/20. Then conferences would be more free to be built on logic and reason.

(07-10-2015 03:41 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Memphis? ACC?

Ummmmm no

I think he meant AAC domination then to Big 12

(07-10-2015 05:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  SEC-Missouri and Arkansas leave. Then the SEC is back to 12 with logical divisions.

Interesting....I like it.
If you moved the rejected Missouri and Arkansas to the Big 12 (plus Nebraska and minus West Virginia) you would have created another great 12 team conference.

(07-11-2015 07:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 05:19 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  For the MWC:

The Big 12 adds Cincinnati and Memphis, weakening the AAC enough to induce Houston and SMU to jump to the MWC. BYU realizes it's not going to land a P5 invitation and also decides the MWC is its best available option. Finally the MWC adds Navy as a football-only member (similar to Hawaii) to round out the membership at 16 in football and 14 in other sports.

If MWC can get the Texas schools including UTEP and UTSA? I could see a cooperation between them and PAC 12 where they have each other's back. Move a couple of teams over from the MWC to the PAC 12, and play each other in so many games. I could see Colorado State, Boise State, New Mexico and UTSA could be brought over to PAC 12 to 16. Houston, SMU and UTEP take their place in the MWC, and BYU, Eastern Washington and North Dakota State could make it a 32 team cooperation between the 2. If Big 12 make a pass at one of MWC Texas schools? Montana could slip in.

Why would any Texas schools go to the MW after they get gutted? If Texas schools were going to go to the MW it would be when the conference is at full strength.

(07-10-2015 01:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:12 AM)MJG Wrote:  I am going to list just a couple feel free to add more .
Alabama to the MAC or B1G is a waste of time but people can't resist so whatever.

MWC two CUSA Texas teams dominate that conference for a few years then they poach them . Rice and either UTEP or UTSA would be ideal.

The AAC They get Air Force and either CSU or New Mexico while both are winning consistently.

The MAC raids SBC for travel partner either Missouri ST /Ark ST or JMU/App ST or both.

C- USA wait until two SBC teams separate from the pack or two a combo like App ST/Ohio .

Big 12 Memphis and Cincinnati dominate the ACC a few years .

The SBC either UTA,UALR or Wichita ST adding football or all three.
Missouri St and JMU changing their minds and one other school stepping up.

Neither scenario will happen. The MWC isn't going to be able to snag two Texas programs from C-USA with their current bonus money distribution deal. In fact Their bonus money distribution seems to be creating issues within the MWC. The added cost of attendance will make funding even more troublesome for teams that get the short end of the bonus money, like UNLV. That is not a formula for stability, and not likely to help attract Texas programs from C-USA. Plus outside of maybe UTEP, no C-USA Texas program would enjoy playing mountain and pacific time kickoffs.

As far as adding from the Sun Belt goes... we could do that now. C-USA has 14 programs right now. UAB is set to resume football in 2016. C-USA just needs to stay the course and continue to grow our new version of the conference, not add more teams. We have great media markets. We just need to work on generating more interest in our programs, and increase attendance. The Texas programs in C-USA are developing some great rivalries. No one team is undefeated against all of the others. And fans are traveling well within the Texas programs. Fox Sports Southwest has done a great job of featuring these match-ups.

Its good to be happy with your conference---but I think you have gone over board here.

1) The MW is simply a hands down better conference. Most of its members have been at the FBS level for decades and it has a history of performing at a very high level. It probably has the top G5 name in FBS (Boise). CUSA is simply not on that level.

2) The financial assumptions you are making are premature. We have no idea what CUSA schools will be earning when their new contract kicks in. For all we know, once the new contract is announced, they may well be fighting one another to get a bid to the MW. I think CUSA pay will stay roughly the same---but it should be noted that the Sunbelt gets virtually nothing for their rights. WAC football was getting virtually nothing for its rights at the end. FCS conferences get nothing as well. Teams from the Sunbelt, WAC, and FCS make up 9 of its 14 members (64%) while losing 7 members who were part of the past contract negotiation. While I don't think it will happen, I don't think we can say a CUSA pay cut would be out of the question.

3) I don't think you understand the MW bonus system as compared to the CUSA split. Assuming the new contract doesn't get cut, CUSA schools will earn 1 million each. Well, MW schools that do not receive ANY bonus money earn---you guessed it---1 million each. Thus, the "bonus" money is just that. CUSA schools moving to the MW would be guaranteed to get the same million they were getting in CUSA----PLUS, they would have the opportunity to earn an additional $300K for nationally televised (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2) week night games and $500K for nationally televised Saturday game. The bonus system would be a "plus" for CUSA teams moving to the MW---not a minus.

4) I suspect that any attempt to take a CUSA Texas team would be done as a package deal of two. So, it would likely be Rice and N Texas (get the MW into the 2 largest Texas metro areas). So it wouldn't be an individual team moving by itself. UTEP makes sense due to its location, but passing up on Dallas and Houston doesn't. I doubt UTEP would be included. So, probably N Tx and Rice, Rice and UTSA, or UTSA and N Tx.

(07-11-2015 03:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 01:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 03:12 AM)MJG Wrote:  I am going to list just a couple feel free to add more .
Alabama to the MAC or B1G is a waste of time but people can't resist so whatever.

MWC two CUSA Texas teams dominate that conference for a few years then they poach them . Rice and either UTEP or UTSA would be ideal.

The AAC They get Air Force and either CSU or New Mexico while both are winning consistently.

The MAC raids SBC for travel partner either Missouri ST /Ark ST or JMU/App ST or both.

C- USA wait until two SBC teams separate from the pack or two a combo like App ST/Ohio .

Big 12 Memphis and Cincinnati dominate the ACC a few years .

The SBC either UTA,UALR or Wichita ST adding football or all three.
Missouri St and JMU changing their minds and one other school stepping up.

Neither scenario will happen. The MWC isn't going to be able to snag two Texas programs from C-USA with their current bonus money distribution deal. In fact Their bonus money distribution seems to be creating issues within the MWC. The added cost of attendance will make funding even more troublesome for teams that get the short end of the bonus money, like UNLV. That is not a formula for stability, and not likely to help attract Texas programs from C-USA. Plus outside of maybe UTEP, no C-USA Texas program would enjoy playing mountain and pacific time kickoffs.

As far as adding from the Sun Belt goes... we could do that now. C-USA has 14 programs right now. UAB is set to resume football in 2016. C-USA just needs to stay the course and continue to grow our new version of the conference, not add more teams. We have great media markets. We just need to work on generating more interest in our programs, and increase attendance. The Texas programs in C-USA are developing some great rivalries. No one team is undefeated against all of the others. And fans are traveling well within the Texas programs. Fox Sports Southwest has done a great job of featuring these match-ups.

Its good to be happy with your conference---but I think you have gone over board here.

1) The MW is simply a hands down better conference. Most of its members have been at the FBS level for decades and it has a history of performing at a very high level. It probably has the top G5 name in FBS (Boise). CUSA is simply not on that level.

2) The financial assumptions you are making are premature. We have no idea what CUSA schools will be earning when their new contract kicks in. For all we know, once the new contract is announced, they may well be fighting one another to get a bid to the MW. I think CUSA pay will stay roughly the same---but it should be noted that the Sunbelt gets virtually nothing for their rights. WAC football was getting virtually nothing for its rights at the end. FCS conferences get nothing as well. Teams from the Sunbelt, WAC, and FCS make up 9 of its 14 members (64%) while losing 7 members who were part of the past contract negotiation. While I don't think it will happen, I don't think we can say a CUSA pay cut would be out of the question.

3) I don't think you understand the MW bonus system as compared to the CUSA split. Assuming the new contract doesn't get cut, CUSA schools will earn 1 million each. Well, MW schools that do not receive ANY bonus money earn---you guessed it---1 million each. Thus, the "bonus" money is just that. CUSA schools moving to the MW would be guaranteed to get the same million they were getting in CUSA----PLUS, they would have the opportunity to earn an additional $300K for nationally televised (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2) week night games and $500K for nationally televised Saturday game. The bonus system would be a "plus" for CUSA teams moving to the MW---not a minus.

4) I suspect that any attempt to take a CUSA Texas team would be done as a package deal of two. So, it would likely be Rice and N Texas (get the MW into the 2 largest Texas metro areas). So it wouldn't be an individual team moving by itself. UTEP makes sense due to its location, but passing up on Dallas and Houston doesn't. I doubt UTEP would be included. So, probably N Tx and Rice, Rice and UTSA, or UTSA and N Tx.

Yes the MWC is currently a stronger conference, but things can change.

The Texas schools have much more in common with the southern teams in C-USA West (Southern Miss & LA Tech). Even if there were openings, I can't see two programs moving to the MWC where they would be far removed (except UTEP) from the rest of the conference. Yes the money is better, but uneven bonus money distribution already has UNLV complaining publicly. I think the 4 Texas teams in C-USA would rather stay together and grow interest in our developing rivalries. The only logical G5 situation that could disrupt this from happening, is if a spot opened in the AAC, which already has two quality Texas programs. Thank goodness that scenario isn't very likely. I really like C-USA West.