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(07-09-2015 08:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(07-09-2015 07:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Jeb may be smarter than W, but he is nowhere near the politician. Seems like every week he is backtracking on something. He is a poor communicator if he really meant what he said he meant. It certainly didn't come across that way, particularly to the average suburban swing voter or soccer mom that works (or husband works) over 40 hours per week with no overtime.

not anymore...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense...-proposal/

That'll help a lot of people if it passes, but I still submit that the majority of suburban swing voters and soccer moms that will decide the presidential election in places like Northern Virginia, Virginia Beach, Cincinnati, Dayton, Tampa, and Orlando make over $50,400 per year.

That makes sense...but around these parts, 50k is a lot of money, and the average Memphian makes under that

50k is good money for a single person in their 20s, but it isn't much for someone supporting a family and working in business administration with 8+ years of experience. I found the comment to be out of touch, though the later explanation made sense. As I said, the overtime proposal will help a lot of people and I actually support it as it is pro-family. Businesses will either raise salaries to the $50,400 threshold or cap hours at 40 which will give people a better work/life balance.

Or reduce employment. It will put some people out of work.
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(07-09-2015 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  
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(07-09-2015 07:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  Proves how stupid politics get. Everyone knows that business has been reducing hours. A lot of people would like more hours.

The only reason is so they can avoid giving their employees the ObamaCare they deserve...

I thank the president for attempting to insure poor workers, and making sure they get fair overtime.

Some of it is that. Shows what happens when you rush through a poorly thought out massive change in the economy. They can thank Obama for losing work hours.

you didn't expect a bunch of lib-tards in DC to understand the principles of running a successful business did you?
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(07-09-2015 07:31 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  How is it out of touch when even democrats know many companies only offer 36 hours Max so They reduce benefits to employees. 40 hour work week should be the full time standard , not 36 with less benefits.

You sound like a union leader.
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(07-09-2015 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:36 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Get rid of Obamacare and employers will start giving people more than 29 hours a week. They're just avoiding the regulation.

then shame on the businesses, not Obama, for short-changing their workers...

The real problem is that an insurance product was somehow tethered to corporations. Health insurance used to be looked at as nothing more than a perk that was offered to employees as part of a compensation package. Unfortunately, healthcare costs and regulating health insurance has gotten way out of hand. What needs to happen is for health insurance to be purchased in the same manner as auto and house insurance. Some of the costs are out of control because of the layers of red tape and the middle men that exist between patients and doctors. Pharmaceuticals play a role too; however costs skyrocketed because of the introduction of large sums of money. Once the gov't started to offer and subsidize health insurance, costs went crazy.

The problem now is that health insurance companies are very different than the other insurance companies. What would not surprise me is that at some point in the future you will see health insurance delinked from business and insurance will be purchased in the same manner as home and auto insurance. Concurrent to that, companies like Humana and State Farm will merge and then be able to offer insurance bundling to consumers at discounts because of the economies of scale available via bundling.
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Sort of in relation to this....

I saw a commercial last night for "Start Up New York". Can one of you liberal loons explain to me why NY state is cutting all sorts of corporate taxes, putting a 10 year exemption for new companies, etc in an effort to create jobs? Isnt tax cutting a big "no no" for libs? We've all heard the libtards say that raising wages and corporate tax rates don't affect the job market. So what gives? Why is ultra lib NY with their lunatic mayor in NYC using what appears to be a right wing tactic to lure businesses and create jobs?
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When I was growing up in the 1950s, my father worked at a steel mill and jumped at every opportunity to work OT. Working a "double" was common practice. In addition, he squeezed in work as a bartender and mortuary greeter in his off hours. Maybe that's what happens when you get married in 1930 and spend your first decade raising a family during a depression.
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(07-09-2015 10:04 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 10:00 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  There are many folks who simply need to work "hours."

Like any amount.

I'm a big fan of our mayors 'summer jobs' program for HS juniors/seniors and college kids home from school...the mayors office was able to gather over 1,100 summer jobs, and 500 internships to keep the kids occupied and off the streets...and teaches them job skills.

That's great but wouldn't a better plan be simply to move to year long school?
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Set the minimum wage at $1,000,000 bucks an hour. We can all, everyone in the country, work Monday and then fully support our families in a livable style for the rest of our lives. Why these half measures?
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(07-09-2015 12:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Set the minimum wage at $1,000,000 bucks an hour. We can all, everyone in the country, work Monday and then fully support our families in a livable style for the rest of our lives. Why these half measures?


Great Point!! I like your way of thinking and decisiveness. Can we add your name to those running for president?
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(07-09-2015 12:41 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Set the minimum wage at $1,000,000 bucks an hour. We can all, everyone in the country, work Monday and then fully support our families in a livable style for the rest of our lives. Why these half measures?

This is very progressive. I am all for it.

We should draft a federal bill that mandates this, free and mandatory college for all 18-year olds including illegal immigrants, and the abolition of single-family housing.
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(07-09-2015 10:50 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:31 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  How is it out of touch when even democrats know many companies only offer 36 hours Max so They reduce benefits to employees. 40 hour work week should be the full time standard , not 36 with less benefits.

You sound like a union leader.

Never Know.
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(07-09-2015 09:34 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 09:30 AM)fsquid Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 09:00 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  
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(07-09-2015 07:35 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Move to NJ ......... there's so much work here it's silly. They pay illegal day laborers on the corner $13-15 a hour.

All the department stores need English speaking workers. We have the largest population of 1st generation immigrants in the nation. There's a reason why they come to NJ (I promise it's not the weather). Temp services start at $15-20 hour for High School diploma

Yeah, and the cost of living is also thtough the roof, taxes are high and youre surrounded by liberals and unions. I hated every minute I was living in Jersey.

COL isn't as bad as people talk about. If you have a 2 income home, you make more money easily in NJ than the rest of the Nation. Majority liberals only exist in the ghetto's. Taxes are high, but so is pay!

If you enjoy authentic food from every background of the world then Jersey is for you. Great fishing with abundance of lakes and rivers. Jersey coast line is 127 miles long with all types of activities.

What's not to like?

that I can't pump my own gas and it ******* snows there.

Newark
NJ Turnpike
Garden State Parkway
People from New Jersey
Democrats/Liberals
Crime
Can't pump your own gasNew Jersey in general

All things NOT to like.

They STILL have that? 04-jawdrop
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(07-09-2015 08:58 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:36 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Get rid of Obamacare and employers will start giving people more than 29 hours a week. They're just avoiding the regulation.

then shame on the businesses, not Obama, for short-changing their workers...

The real problem is that an insurance product was somehow tethered to corporations. Health insurance used to be looked at as nothing more than a perk that was offered to employees as part of a compensation package. Unfortunately, healthcare costs and regulating health insurance has gotten way out of hand. What needs to happen is for health insurance to be purchased in the same manner as auto and house insurance. Some of the costs are out of control because of the layers of red tape and the middle men that exist between patients and doctors. Pharmaceuticals play a role too; however costs skyrocketed because of the introduction of large sums of money. Once the gov't started to offer and subsidize health insurance, costs went crazy.

The problem now is that health insurance companies are very different than the other insurance companies. What would not surprise me is that at some point in the future you will see health insurance delinked from business and insurance will be purchased in the same manner as home and auto insurance. Concurrent to that, companies like Humana and State Farm will merge and then be able to offer insurance bundling to consumers at discounts because of the economies of scale available via bundling.

How does that make it better? Seems like it's more efficient when you have insurance purchased through an employer, where you can get pricing for hundreds or even tens of thousands of workers at a time. And the insurance company has a big enough group to deal with that the experience is likely to be more predictable.
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(07-09-2015 01:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 08:58 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:36 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Get rid of Obamacare and employers will start giving people more than 29 hours a week. They're just avoiding the regulation.

then shame on the businesses, not Obama, for short-changing their workers...

The real problem is that an insurance product was somehow tethered to corporations. Health insurance used to be looked at as nothing more than a perk that was offered to employees as part of a compensation package. Unfortunately, healthcare costs and regulating health insurance has gotten way out of hand. What needs to happen is for health insurance to be purchased in the same manner as auto and house insurance. Some of the costs are out of control because of the layers of red tape and the middle men that exist between patients and doctors. Pharmaceuticals play a role too; however costs skyrocketed because of the introduction of large sums of money. Once the gov't started to offer and subsidize health insurance, costs went crazy.

The problem now is that health insurance companies are very different than the other insurance companies. What would not surprise me is that at some point in the future you will see health insurance delinked from business and insurance will be purchased in the same manner as home and auto insurance. Concurrent to that, companies like Humana and State Farm will merge and then be able to offer insurance bundling to consumers at discounts because of the economies of scale available via bundling.

How does that make it better? Seems like it's more efficient when you have insurance purchased through an employer, where you can get pricing for hundreds or even tens of thousands of workers at a time. And the insurance company has a big enough group to deal with that the experience is likely to be more predictable.


It's not more efficient. Its totally screwed up. You lose your insurance when you leave your employer.

Think about what it would be like to have to get your auto insurance through your employer.
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(07-09-2015 01:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 01:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 08:58 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:38 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:36 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Get rid of Obamacare and employers will start giving people more than 29 hours a week. They're just avoiding the regulation.

then shame on the businesses, not Obama, for short-changing their workers...

The real problem is that an insurance product was somehow tethered to corporations. Health insurance used to be looked at as nothing more than a perk that was offered to employees as part of a compensation package. Unfortunately, healthcare costs and regulating health insurance has gotten way out of hand. What needs to happen is for health insurance to be purchased in the same manner as auto and house insurance. Some of the costs are out of control because of the layers of red tape and the middle men that exist between patients and doctors. Pharmaceuticals play a role too; however costs skyrocketed because of the introduction of large sums of money. Once the gov't started to offer and subsidize health insurance, costs went crazy.

The problem now is that health insurance companies are very different than the other insurance companies. What would not surprise me is that at some point in the future you will see health insurance delinked from business and insurance will be purchased in the same manner as home and auto insurance. Concurrent to that, companies like Humana and State Farm will merge and then be able to offer insurance bundling to consumers at discounts because of the economies of scale available via bundling.

How does that make it better? Seems like it's more efficient when you have insurance purchased through an employer, where you can get pricing for hundreds or even tens of thousands of workers at a time. And the insurance company has a big enough group to deal with that the experience is likely to be more predictable.


It's not more efficient. Its totally screwed up. You lose your insurance when you leave your employer.

Think about what it would be like to have to get your auto insurance through your employer.

If you enroll at your new company, you still have coverage. The plans are already in place, the rates are already in place. The money's taken out of your check automatically. If you have insurance on your own, you don't have any guarantee you'll be able to keep it, or what the rates will be if you renew.
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(07-09-2015 07:40 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Jeb needs to get out of the way.

Jeb is the GOPs best chance at victory in the general election.
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(07-09-2015 08:56 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
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(07-09-2015 08:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:46 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  So businesses should willfully choose to be less profitable?

Yes...happy, healthy, productive workers are good for business.

Just ask IKEA, Starbucks, Whole Foods, etc

Well I looked at glassdoor.com to compare starting hourly wages and I didn't see that much delta between the hourly wages between the companies you listed and places like Wal-Mart, Dunkin, and Kroger's. They were all in the $9-13 dollar range.

WTF? This is a thread about Jebs comments on the 29 hour work week vs 40...and how it effects benefits.

Those companies offer full benefits to PT employees...that's a big deal to low income workers.

I know what the thread is about. Weren't most of the changes in part time status associated with ACA, which is designed to handle situations like this?

It is more of a yes and no answer. Full time hiring is up and part time hiring is flat. The effect of the ACA seems to be that part time workers may be seeing their hours reduced to avoid the 30 hour threshold.
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Coincidence that the very next day, NBC comes out with a story about Bernie Sanders' 32 hour work week? LoL This **** is so coordinated and in the tank for the Democrats it's laughable.
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(07-09-2015 07:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Jeb may be smarter than W, but he is nowhere near the politician. Seems like every week he is backtracking on something. He is a poor communicator if he really meant what he said he meant. It certainly didn't come across that way, particularly to the average suburban swing voter or soccer mom that works (or husband works) over 40 hours per week with no overtime.

He said we need to have an economy that goes from part-time jobs (30 hours per week) to full-time jobs (40 hours per week).

Hillary's campaign translated that as: Bush thinks Americans are lazy and they need to work more hours.

That's how Democrats operate.
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(07-09-2015 06:12 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(07-09-2015 07:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Jeb may be smarter than W, but he is nowhere near the politician. Seems like every week he is backtracking on something. He is a poor communicator if he really meant what he said he meant. It certainly didn't come across that way, particularly to the average suburban swing voter or soccer mom that works (or husband works) over 40 hours per week with no overtime.

He said we need to have an economy that goes from part-time jobs (30 hours per week) to full-time jobs (40 hours per week).

Hillary's campaign translated that as: Bush thinks Americans are lazy and they need to work more hours.

That's how Democrats operate.
That was his explanation, not what he said. I accept the explanation, but fact of the matter is that he is constantly having to backtrack his gaffes. Hillary and the press would have a field day with this guy.

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