(07-09-2015 11:04 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  That is NOT reality.

You are not a true candidate. How hard is that for you to understand?

Is the potential there? Well yeah. It's possible that 40k fans start beating down the door, and all of a sudden start caring about NIU. I'll give you that. Is it very likely? Not at all.

Reality is, you are not even a P5 pretender, little long a P5 contender.

NIU is behind pretty much the entire AAC, BYU, Boise, and like it or not, you are also behind a few members in CUSA.

aka, NIU is NEVER getting into the Big 12 (or what we are all currently calling the Big12 anyways.)

Northern Illinois is on the list because of their football and tv ratings. If this was 1980's? Yes, Northern Illinois would have no interests. Now? They go by tv ratings, not by the number of people in the stands. If they go by people in the stands? Duke, Wake Forest, Miami Flo. and some others will be booted from the P5 conferences.

(07-09-2015 10:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 09:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The weird thing is, adding a school close to W Virginia actually helps the other members more than it helps W Virginia. Sure, W Virginia gets one closer game, but it not like the rest of the league moves closer. Where it really helps is making the trip to W Virginia more efficient for everyone else. By giving W Virginia a travel partner, the rest of the Big-12 schools can now turn that long W Virginia road trip into a 2-for-one trip (flight to W Virginia, a bus ride to Cinci, fly home from Cinci). That helps for sports like basketball and volleyball.

It also helps all the WVU Olympic sports by trading out a road game to Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas with a shorter bus-ride road game. This saves the athletic department some money and potentially saves the student-athletes some travel time (although would the Olympic sports fly or bus to Cincinnati? A 3-hour flight is better than a 4-hour bus ride, from the student-athlete perspective). Proximity can also help to foster a regional rivalry game.

Interesting thought - is there ANY legitimate candidate other than Cincinnati that would really give WVU the travel benefit? Compare distances to Morgantown:

Cincinnati - 308 miles
Greenville (ECU) - 451 miles
Storrs (UConn) - 525 miles
Memphis - 754 miles
Orlando (UCF) - 900 miles

Ames (Iowa St.) - 871 miles
Lawrence (Kansas) - 900 miles

Schools like Buffalo (284 miles) and Temple (Philadelphia-314 miles) are actually closer than most any other candidate - but I don't see Temple or Buffalo as legitimate contenders.

Navy (Annapolis) at 234 miles, is actually the closest candidate. However, I don't see Navy as a legitimate candidate because I highly doubt Navy would be willing to accept the Big 12 level of competition for its Olympic sports, let alone for its football schedule.

Old Dominion in Norfolk, VA=393.64 miles.
Delaware U. Wilmington= 282.2 miles be like Temple, but better facilities.
Towson=211.6 miles, closer to West Virginia

(07-10-2015 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:04 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  That is NOT reality.

You are not a true candidate. How hard is that for you to understand?

Is the potential there? Well yeah. It's possible that 40k fans start beating down the door, and all of a sudden start caring about NIU. I'll give you that. Is it very likely? Not at all.

Reality is, you are not even a P5 pretender, little long a P5 contender.

NIU is behind pretty much the entire AAC, BYU, Boise, and like it or not, you are also behind a few members in CUSA.

aka, NIU is NEVER getting into the Big 12 (or what we are all currently calling the Big12 anyways.)

Northern Illinois is on the list because of their football and tv ratings. If this was 1980's? Yes, Northern Illinois would have no interests. Now? They go by tv ratings, not by the number of people in the stands. If they go by people in the stands? Duke, Wake Forest, Miami Flo. and some others will be booted from the P5 conferences.

Wake Forest and Duke are more there from tradition, basketball, and academics. You can't even compare NIU to them in football either.

Both of those schools more than DOUBLED the avg attendance of NIU last season.

As for Miami FL.....now thats funny. They averaged over 50k last season.


As for NIU football.....

Most recent results from Marshall and NIU.

2014 Boca Raton Bowl

52-23




NIU has finished the season ranked 1 time. That is singular, as in not plural. Same as uno, or the number that falls between 0 and 2.

LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT.

Quote:Is the potential there? Well yeah. It's possible that 40k fans start beating down the door, and all of a sudden start caring about NIU. I'll give you that. Is it very likely? Not at all.

They are expanding the stadium and putting $$ into things. But I don't believe 40k fan average (which would be hard for ANY G5) is what it's about. It's about TV viewers, as that's been said over and over and over again by analysts. If NIU was way down in southern Illinois, then I would say there'd be no chance. But since it's not far from Chi-town, that's what makes it a very considerable option.

I don't think they're an option to make B12 go from 10->12 teams, with BYU in the picture, and Memphis/Cinci being the other option. Pretty much it'd depend on where geographically B12 wants to hit viewers, and if they do want to hit the greater Chicago market, what their plans are and what their AD lays out to them and how convincing it is for $$ poured into football & basketball.

The reason Boise hasn't been added to B12 is it's local audience level watching on the tube. Adding Marshall wouldn't tap into another geographical resource as they already have WV -- a conference wants a new separated flow of viewers (see B1G adding Rutgers for NY/NJ). IMO, as far as attendance is concerned, a team would have to be convincing to have close to 30k for football on a random day, and also an OK crowd for basketball. With NIU pouring $$ into their system + if joining the B12 more fans would be following/watching/going, IMO, if/when the B12 was expanding to 14 or 16 teams -- yes, NIU would be a definite option if the B12 was looking to expand outside Texas & the Plain states (which they are).

Expanding a 23k seat stadium when you just averaged 13k/fans a game........GENIUS.

NIU has ZERO chance at the Big 12.


Once again, they have finished the season ranked 1 single time and it was barely ranked then. Like 22/24.

(07-09-2015 12:10 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I will say this.

The only schools that really deserve the invite are ECU and UCF..... in that order imo.

"Deserve" has essentially nothing to do with conference affiliation.

(07-08-2015 02:46 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 02:25 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 02:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How many times a day does the Big 12 kick themselves for not grabbing Louisville when they were available??

This isn't reinventing the wheel, but a W.Va./Cincy/Louisville pickup was too perfect for the Big XII. It makes a screwy division with Iowa State and the Kansas schools, but there wasn't any getting around that anyhow.

you could have got around the screwy divisions with pods

east pod
WV, Cincy, Lou

north pod
ISU, KSU, Kan

south pod
TT, Tex, Bay

central pod
Ok, OSU, TCU

alternate the pods on 3 year rotation into different different divisions

besides with 9 conference games and only 12 teams, you only skip 2 teams every year anyway. so even if they went with permanent divisions, you could play everybody 4 times in 6 years or you get 2 permanent rivals and play the other 4 teams 3 times in 6 years.

pods....

(07-10-2015 09:51 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 12:10 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I will say this.

The only schools that really deserve the invite are ECU and UCF..... in that order imo.

"Deserve" has essentially nothing to do with conference affiliation.

I agree. Deserve has nothing to do with it.

If deserve had something to do with it, I'd say Boise, UCF, BYU, or ECU, maybe Cincinnati.

UCF fans will like this blogger:

https://www.football.com/en-us/breaking-...incinnati/

(07-10-2015 09:31 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Is the potential there? Well yeah. It's possible that 40k fans start beating down the door, and all of a sudden start caring about NIU. I'll give you that. Is it very likely? Not at all.

They are expanding the stadium and putting $$ into things. But I don't believe 40k fan average (which would be hard for ANY G5) is what it's about. It's about TV viewers, as that's been said over and over and over again by analysts. If NIU was way down in southern Illinois, then I would say there'd be no chance. But since it's not far from Chi-town, that's what makes it a very considerable option.

I don't think they're an option to make B12 go from 10->12 teams, with BYU in the picture, and Memphis/Cinci being the other option. Pretty much it'd depend on where geographically B12 wants to hit viewers, and if they do want to hit the greater Chicago market, what their plans are and what their AD lays out to them and how convincing it is for $$ poured into football & basketball.

The reason Boise hasn't been added to B12 is it's local audience level watching on the tube. Adding Marshall wouldn't tap into another geographical resource as they already have WV -- a conference wants a new separated flow of viewers (see B1G adding Rutgers for NY/NJ). IMO, as far as attendance is concerned, a team would have to be convincing to have close to 30k for football on a random day, and also an OK crowd for basketball. With NIU pouring $$ into their system + if joining the B12 more fans would be following/watching/going, IMO, if/when the B12 was expanding to 14 or 16 teams -- yes, NIU would be a definite option if the B12 was looking to expand outside Texas & the Plain states (which they are).

I've tried man... he doesn't understand rational thought and conventional means of communication. Marshall education, go figure. He just wants to hear what he wants and keep regurgitating the same arbitrary words to a room that doesn't even agree with him. He probably thinks he's arguing with just NIU fans and thinks I'm the only one. I'm pretty sure David is an Arkansas Tech fan and you're a WMU (damn PJ Fleck... haha) fan but he just can't process information correctly or something.

(07-10-2015 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  UCF fans will like this blogger:

https://www.football.com/en-us/breaking-...incinnati/

The time has came and passed, anything come of this?

I process just fine.

You guys think you have a shot at getting into the Big 12 because of the "Chicago market." Really all that has done is draw enough interest to get other people to hear you out. Literally that's it. No one takes NIU as a SERIOUS candidate for the real Big 12 (one that includes TX and Oklahoma.)

Why can't you seriously stop and think things with some rationale as opposed to NIU colored glasses. 13k fans per game this last season. 1 Top 25 finish in school HISTORY....... please tell me that TX is going to let you in their conference based on these things. Or the fact you have a 23k seat stadium.

Turn off the XBOX dude, join us in the real world where we show facts.

Only thing you guys have mentioned is this Chicago market. Thats it. Everything else on your grading list by the Big 12 would be a D or an F.

Stop bringing Marshall and I will. We have zero shot as well. But since we are not openly trying to convince others we belong or have a shot, I see no reason to bring us up in this.

This is about NIU and the Big 12.....along with the zero percent chance you have of getting into that conference.

(07-10-2015 02:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Delaware U. Wilmington= 282.2 miles be like Temple, but better facilities.

Nothing against NIU but it's hard to really look at anyone who is under 30k seriously much less under 20k. It's indicative of poor support levels that won't prop up the school.

(07-10-2015 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  UCF fans will like this blogger:

https://www.football.com/en-us/breaking-...incinnati/

I tend to believe anyone saying something I want to hear.