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Tough Times for Illini
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...26937.html

Who knows Cubit could end up being head coach, that'd be great!
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
Seems to be a pattern of this happening there. Flashback to May:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
That would be sweet if Cubit was interim HC, and had them go 7-5 and Illinois kept him on like a 2 year coaching contract, so it'd be Cubit VS PJ next year!
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
You've got a guy still coaching for letting a kid get killed by lightening. Beckman pales in comparison.
(Sorry, he was forced to film practice during a lightening storm in the Spring. The death was actually caused by dangerously high winds causing the filming tower to fall. Practice continued after the accident).
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
If they fire Beckman, I doubt Cubit stands much of a chance. They will need to clean house.
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
He's held in high regard around there if they go the interim route.
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
(07-08-2015 02:41 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  If they fire Beckman, I doubt Cubit stands much of a chance. They will need to clean house.

Agreed. Cubit and Enos are from the same mold. They make nice coordinators, but don't get the job done as head coach.

Cubit is a great person, but I doubt many Illini fans know he even exists. He'd be OK for a one year interim HC position if need be......but that's about it. I have no doubt they'd try to hire Admiral Fleck after this season though.
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
Quote:Cubit is a great person, but I doubt many Illini fans know he even exists. He'd be OK for a one year interim HC position if need be

If there's no big coach pickup opportunity that would appease fans, then I HOPE they'd do a 1-year-with-Cubit routine. Not only would it sing the tune of "Let's keep it in the MAC West", but also would set up PJ vs Cubit in Champaign 2016.

Unless we go 9W or win the MAC West, PJ won't be going anywhere at the end of this year -- which is good.

If Beckman gets in trouble and looks to be fired at the endr, mid-way thru this season -- I'll start a "Cubit as Head Coach" website and petition. :) No, I'm freaking serious.
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
(07-08-2015 06:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:Cubit is a great person, but I doubt many Illini fans know he even exists. He'd be OK for a one year interim HC position if need be

If there's no big coach pickup opportunity that would appease fans, then I HOPE they'd do a 1-year-with-Cubit routine. Not only would it sing the tune of "Let's keep it in the MAC West", but also would set up PJ vs Cubit in Champaign 2016.

Unless we go 9W or win the MAC West, PJ won't be going anywhere at the end of this year -- which is good.

If Beckman gets in trouble and looks to be fired at the endr, mid-way thru this season -- I'll start a "Cubit as Head Coach" website and petition. :) No, I'm freaking serious.

I'm on board. Would love to see the Admiral take down Cubit head-to-head.
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
Your boy won't be at WMU next year, plus interim means just that unless he wins big in that role, but you guys have a way of getting way ahead of yourselves here don't you?
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Quote:I'm on board. Would love to see the Admiral take down Cubit head-to-head.

Good! :) I would/will spend a lot of time lobbying for that across the Internet, not only to see PJ vs Cubit -- but also, I think Cubit Could be a good HC, and could have the opportunity to sign at least a short-term contract to make them at least decent/average (like Minnesota), if he shows well in 2016 or somehow has to take the helm in 2015 and has them go bowling.

Quote:Your boy won't be at WMU next year

Really? You seem to have a lot of faith in WMU winning the MAC West this year (or losing in a tie but getting to 9W which could get him hired). Remember, he's still under .500 with our team. He's 9-16. So pretty much he'd have to double his career HC win total in this year alone (and still be under .500 overall) for a realistic hire.

Here's why 9W is something that's far from a given where ya'd think "He's not going to be around next year":

- Playing 2 Top-5-ish teams in the Country (MSU & Ohio State)
- Playing 3 road games against Top-15 G5 teams (@NIU, @Toledo, @GA-Southern) -- 2 of which are in-division which is a HUGE tide against winning the MAC West
- Playing Improved MAC East Champs Bowling Green (Matt Johnson back at QB; new coach won MAC East last year)

That's 6 games, realistically & non-pessimistically, one would see WMU going 2-4 in.

Assuming they do that going 2-4, and beat the other 6 teams unscathed -- which includes the Dark Horse Ball State + Ohio who will be more solid (2nd best MAC East), and all the rest (CMU, @EMU, FCS, an Improved Miami-OH who may be a year away from being pretty darn good)....

... WMU would be 8-4. No, PJ's not going to get hired elsewhere going 8-4 this year unless one of those wins was knocking out Ohio State or somehow winning the MAC West with that record. It would put him in position to Solidify that last year was truly no joke -- and that next year WILL be his last, with @Illinois & @NW replacing MSU & Ohio State, plus both Toledo, NIU, and GA-Southern being at home.

MY VIEW FOR WMU's RECORD THIS YEAR:
5-7: 15%
6-6: 30%
7-5: 30%
8-4: 15% (most likely wouldn't win MAC West; 10% chance to do so @8-4 in the West, and him also hired elsewhere)
9-3: 10% (75% chance hired elsewhere)

1.5%+7.5% = 9% chance hired elsewhere after this season, by my view of WMU's expectations on record at the end. Even if one were to say there'd be a 20% chance @8-4 he'd be hired elsewhere and a 90% chance he'd be hired elsewhere @9-3 -- (optimistic view by his agent I'm sure) -- that'd still be just a 12% chance in my book by what to expect at the end of this year. I WILL happily eat crow if we're 8-4 or better, which I do not expect!! :)

Now, if he had previous OC/DC experience or actual/formal Assistant Coaching experience at P5/big schools for several years -- I think him going 8-4 would have a higher chance of him getting hired elsewhere. But without anything notable besides WR coach, and having an under .500 record @WMU -- I see that as possible, but very ballsy move by a P5 or upper-G5 to hire him paying him more than his current top-MAC $$ allows -- especially if he were to take on a Wake Forrest or something which wouldn't be good for him (as opposed to Illinois which would be his calling; however Illinois is going to be apprehensive about not seeing a HC flourish after getting Beckman from Toledo a bit too soon).

And IMO, those % chances of record, is siding on the Optimistic (if one were a non-WMU fan, breaking things down).
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RE: Tough Times for Illini
I really have no great desire to see Fleck best Cubit. I have a desire to see WMU beat Illinois. Cubit left with class, and when he took the job he never trashed the guy he replaced.
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(07-08-2015 09:17 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Here's why 9W is something that's far from a given where ya'd think "He's not going to be around next year":

- Playing 2 Top-5-ish teams in the Country (MSU & Ohio State)
- Playing 3 road games against Top-15 G5 teams (@NIU, @Toledo, @GA-Southern) -- 2 of which are in-division which is a HUGE tide against winning the MAC West
- Playing Improved MAC East Champs Bowling Green (Matt Johnson back at QB; new coach won MAC East last year)

Plus, a Top 50 * Ohio team on the road

* per The Orlando Sentinel
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Quote:I really have no great desire to see Fleck best Cubit.

Why not? :) Wouldn't it be extra sweet to watch, seeing Young vs Old, Boy vs Man, Newer vs Former, New-School vs Old-School??

Quote:Cubit left with class, and when he took the job he never trashed the guy he replaced.

I don't think it'd be trashing Cubit to want to see Fleck beat him. It would signal that even with a P5 recruiting line at a P5 college, the once controversial new-hire besting him meant it Was a great decision.

I WOULD like to see Cubit take over Illinois, if, say, Beckman got under even more controversy as the season started and Cubit led them to finish 7-5 this year (and got a 2-year contract as no big hires were available by season's end), and went on to make them a decent B1G team (or even better).
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(07-08-2015 02:30 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  You've got a guy still coaching for letting a kid get killed by lighting. Beckman pales in comparison.

How does one die by "lighting"?

And what coach are you referencing?
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(07-08-2015 09:48 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  I really have no great desire to see Fleck best Cubit. I have a desire to see WMU beat Illinois. Cubit left with class, and when he took the job he never trashed the guy he replaced.

Agree.

Besides, depending on what happens this year, us beating a mediocre Illinois program wouldn't be that big a deal.

Cubit-led Broncos beat Illini season after they went to the Rose Bowl.
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(07-09-2015 06:53 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(07-08-2015 02:30 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  You've got a guy still coaching for letting a kid get killed by lighting. Beckman pales in comparison.

How does one die by "lighting"?

And what coach are you referencing?

1)Melanoma from Sun lamps.
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(07-08-2015 09:48 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  I really have no great desire to see Fleck best Cubit. I have a desire to see WMU beat Illinois.

This.
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I've always hated these types of games for us... Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, etc. you get nothing out of it by beating below average B1G schools. Just by saying "we beat a B1G school". Yippee. And if we lose, it sucks (even worse if we get pounded). I'd rather take my lumps against an OSU, MSU, Penn St., etc. and attempt to raise some eyebrows and generate shock waves around the country. That's just me.
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What if Beckman gets canned Cubit finishes the season as the interim. WMU has a strong year and the Illini end up hiring Fleck as their guy at the end of the season.

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