(07-07-2015 12:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Didn't we already see that movie? It was called the CFA last time around. That said, the geographic leagues he described with a 11 game schedule of all divisional games (plus one FCS game) would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of G5 football. The G5 would be finished.

It didn't work very well at first for the conferences when it broke up.

They had a lot of Independents at that time as well.

You could see some G5 and FCS schools be part of the P5. The P5 could create 5 conferences who they want. PAC 12 could create a West Coast conference with these schools without adding more.

People who think this is far fetched should look back to what almost happened in 2011 and how CFB almost took a very big step in this direction. The PAC16 almost happened and a firm scheduling alliance between the PAC and B1G almost happened. The networks stepped in and threw money at the BigXii to prevent consolidation of power between two closely aligned conferences.

What has changed since then to make people think that the B1G/PAC or other conferences wouldn't make another go at it? The BigXii is still very unstable, and the same programs are still looking to leave. The PAC is still hungry to expand with those programs and its independently owned network could still be merged with the B1G if that would facilitate a combined approach to acquiring the BigXii properties in question. It may not go so far as to a complete merger, but I don't think the P5 conferences are going it alone upcoming expansion. The only question is whether the networks are the primary drivers or whether conferences consolidate to have more power.

(07-07-2015 06:59 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  People who think this is far fetched should look back to what almost happened in 2011 and how CFB almost took a very big step in this direction. The PAC16 almost happened and a firm scheduling alliance between the PAC and B1G almost happened. The networks stepped in and threw money at the BigXii to prevent consolidation of power between two closely aligned conferences.

What has changed since then to make people think that the B1G/PAC or other conferences wouldn't make another go at it? The BigXii is still very unstable, and the same programs are still looking to leave. The PAC is still hungry to expand with those programs and its independently owned network could still be merged with the B1G if that would facilitate a combined approach to acquiring the BigXii properties in question. It may not go so far as to a complete merger, but I don't think the P5 conferences are going it alone upcoming expansion. The only question is whether the networks are the primary drivers or whether conferences consolidate to have more power.

But, Big 10 and PAC 12 are far apart and don't make good partnership. I could see the ACC and SEC partnering up, and Big 12 and Big 10 could partnering up. But who would PAC 12 partnering up with? They seem to have a working relationship with the MWC and Big SKY? Could the P5 powers will allow MWC become number 6 with some stipulations? MWC could become a P6 conference if they lose some dead weights like San Jose State and UNLV, and bring in schools like Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, BYU, Montana, Northern Arizona and any Texas schools where PAC 12 can reach into Texas via MWC. I added some Big Sky schools who PAC 12 plays with a lot. Now, Big Sky and be brought up as a whole to replace MWC for a G5 conference. That could send Idaho, San Jose State, UNLV and New Mexico State to join Big Sky as all sports.

(07-07-2015 03:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Didn't we already see that movie? It was called the CFA last time around. That said, the geographic leagues he described with a 11 game schedule of all divisional games (plus one FCS game) would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of G5 football. The G5 would be finished.

Why would the G5 be finished? The G5 would be forced to behave as a unit finally instead of as remora to the P5 shark.

The G5 could make their own rules to benefit them and ignore how it affected the P5 or whether the P5 would like it.

We might actually get a G5 network.

The P5 could see how they like not having us around for Olympic sports.

The G5 would only be finished if they didn't act in unison to compete for a market niche.

Oh the G5 programs might still survive---but they would survive at a FCS like level.

You need to understand the American sports fan. They care about the championship of the highest level of the sport. They care about MLB---they could care less who wins a minor league baseball championship. They are glued to the TV for the NFL playoffs----they dont care about any arena league champ. They care about the NBA and the King James vs Curry finals battle----they dont care about the D league champ.

FCS has worked together and created a wonderful playoff system that many would love to see at the FBS level. Despite having a fantastic system, nobody cares about FCS. It generates no excitement in the college sports world and has dismal ratings. The college sports fan cares about FBS---and even the 2 G5 teams in the worst forgotten bowl game of the post season consistently generate higher ratings than the FCS playoff simply by virtue of being part of the "highest level" of college football. Whether they really have a shot or not---Toledo, Nevada, and Temple are all theoretically still chasing the same national championship as Alabama. As long as that is true---the G5 are still woth watching and following as part of that top level of football.

But if the system Chip Brown suggests were to become a reality, the G5 would become the new FCS---only worse. The 10 game conference schedule would virtually end G5 vs P5 games. The G5 would no longer be chasing the same championship as Alabama. The G5 would have their own separate kiddie table championship and would go back to being essentially D2 (or FCS). FCS would fall even further behind. G5 ticket revenue would fall as interest waned from the more casual fans. As fans lose interest playing at a less high profile level, donations would decrease----and TV revenue would fall of the edge of the table as there would be ZERO demand for this product on TV.

I wish this wasn't true, but the fact is---the FCS experience tells us that it is the way this would go. Its happened before. A number of those teams used to play at the same level as the FBS schools in the late 70's. It happened to schools like NcNeese who dropped to D1-AA thinking the playoff would allow their division capture the attention of sports fans. It didn't happen because Americans don't care who the 128th best college football team in the nation is. Similarly, Americans wont care who the 66th best football team in the nation is (and make no mistake, that's how a G5 playoff will be perceived). Trust me, this kind of split is the absolute worst thing that could happen to the G5.

Personally, I'd still love to see the G5 play ball during the spring or summer months. I'd watch the HELL outta some spring football...

Quote:the money begins pouring in, possibly superseding the NFL

So, Chip, about that stuff you're smokin'... is it legal in Texas?

(07-07-2015 06:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's not a stretch for someone like Chip to think that conferences will all work together in the future because they are all working together right now WITH the Networks. Will they ever get the exact same deals as each other? I actually think they will. Why? Certain conferences are going to have to be paid off to take certain schools. They will probably get paid equivalent to what the other conferences will be getting so that they don't feel like they got screwed in the negotiations. IF that doesn't happen then none of it happens.

While I don't think it will ever be as cut and dry as the conferences working together for one contract, they are learning right now that they all benefit if they work together instead of against each other.

I mean, just look at the silliness on this forum with everyone saying their conference wont do anything if they don't get certain schools. Nothing would ever happen if such narrow minded thinking ruled these conferences. Luckily that is not the case.

H1N1 I'm surprised you don't call this what it is, a diversion. It is just silly talk, like Oklahoma's. Easy enough to shrug off silly talk. Nobody needs to take Chip's article or Boren's comments serious right? Just crazy, could happen way out in the future, talk. No need to get worked up. It isn't happening right now or anything like that.

(07-07-2015 06:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's not a stretch for someone like Chip to think that conferences will all work together in the future because they are all working together right now WITH the Networks. Will they ever get the exact same deals as each other? I actually think they will. Why? Certain conferences are going to have to be paid off to take certain schools. They will probably get paid equivalent to what the other conferences will be getting so that they don't feel like they got screwed in the negotiations. IF that doesn't happen then none of it happens.

While I don't think it will ever be as cut and dry as the conferences working together for one contract, they are learning right now that they all benefit if they work together instead of against each other.

I mean, just look at the silliness on this forum with everyone saying their conference wont do anything if they don't get certain schools. Nothing would ever happen if such narrow minded thinking ruled these conferences. Luckily that is not the case.

You are correct that's what it will take to get this where you seem to think or hope it gets, because otherwise whichever league/leagues get UT and OK make a killing while the others get shafted. However, I don't get the sense the conferences are really working together at all and I think any of them would stab any of the others in the back just to improve their own position. If this were all some master plan it would be a little more organized and a lot less back stabbing along the way.

(07-07-2015 09:50 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Personally, I'd still love to see the G5 play ball during the spring or summer months. I'd watch the HELL outta some spring football...

If the full on split happens at some point down the road that's what the G5 should do, but that's not really a conversation worth having until that day comes.

(07-07-2015 10:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:50 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Personally, I'd still love to see the G5 play ball during the spring or summer months. I'd watch the HELL outta some spring football...

If the full on split happens at some point down the road that's what the G5 should do, but that's not really a conversation worth having until that day comes.

Which may be much sooner than we think.

(07-07-2015 09:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 03:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Didn't we already see that movie? It was called the CFA last time around. That said, the geographic leagues he described with a 11 game schedule of all divisional games (plus one FCS game) would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of G5 football. The G5 would be finished.

Why would the G5 be finished? The G5 would be forced to behave as a unit finally instead of as remora to the P5 shark.

The G5 could make their own rules to benefit them and ignore how it affected the P5 or whether the P5 would like it.

We might actually get a G5 network.

The P5 could see how they like not having us around for Olympic sports.

The G5 would only be finished if they didn't act in unison to compete for a market niche.

Oh the G5 programs might still survive---but they would survive at a FCS like level.

You need to understand the American sports fan. They care about the championship of the highest level of the sport. They care about MLB---they could care less who wins a minor league baseball championship. They are glued to the TV for the NFL playoffs----they dont care about any arena league champ. They care about the NBA and the King James vs Curry finals battle----they dont care about the D league champ.

FCS has worked together and created a wonderful playoff system that many would love to see at the FBS level. Despite having a fantastic system, nobody cares about FCS. It generates no excitement in the college sports world and has dismal ratings. The college sports fan cares about FBS---and even the 2 G5 teams in the worst forgotten bowl game of the post season consistently generate higher ratings than the FCS playoff simply by virtue of being part of the "highest level" of college football. Whether they really have a shot or not---Toledo, Nevada, and Temple are all theoretically still chasing the same national championship as Alabama. As long as that is true---the G5 are still woth watching and following as part of that top level of football.

But if the system Chip Brown suggests were to become a reality, the G5 would become the new FCS---only worse. The 10 game conference schedule would virtually end G5 vs P5 games. The G5 would no longer be chasing the same championship as Alabama. The G5 would have their own separate kiddie table championship and would go back to being essentially D2 (or FCS). FCS would fall even further behind. G5 ticket revenue would fall as interest waned from the more casual fans. As fans lose interest playing at a less high profile level, donations would decrease----and TV revenue would fall of the edge of the table as there would be ZERO demand for this product on TV.

I wish this wasn't true, but the fact is---the FCS experience tells us that it is the way this would go. Its happened before. A number of those teams used to play at the same level as the FBS schools in the late 70's. It happened to schools like NcNeese who dropped to D1-AA thinking the playoff would allow their division capture the attention of sports fans. It didn't happen because Americans don't care who the 128th best college football team in the nation is. Similarly, Americans wont care who the 66th best football team in the nation is (and make no mistake, that's how a G5 playoff will be perceived). Trust me, this kind of split is the absolute worst thing that could happen to the G5.

The G5 and FCS exist under rules created to insure the well-being of the P5 monopoly.

Personally, i don't believe that the P5 will give up their say-so over the rest of us. Right now they exert control over our rules and finances and it costs them a mere pittance. Why would they give up that control and set us free?

If they are ever that dumb then we can make our own rules. They will have no say and no vote.

We don't have to beat them....just carve out more profit than the crumbs we are allowed now. Not that hard.

G5 would also need to make the break in ALL sports. Let the P5 play only themselves in ALL sports and see how it goes.

(07-07-2015 10:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's not a stretch for someone like Chip to think that conferences will all work together in the future because they are all working together right now WITH the Networks. Will they ever get the exact same deals as each other? I actually think they will. Why? Certain conferences are going to have to be paid off to take certain schools. They will probably get paid equivalent to what the other conferences will be getting so that they don't feel like they got screwed in the negotiations. IF that doesn't happen then none of it happens.

While I don't think it will ever be as cut and dry as the conferences working together for one contract, they are learning right now that they all benefit if they work together instead of against each other.

I mean, just look at the silliness on this forum with everyone saying their conference wont do anything if they don't get certain schools. Nothing would ever happen if such narrow minded thinking ruled these conferences. Luckily that is not the case.

You are correct that's what it will take to get this where you seem to think or hope it gets, because otherwise whichever league/leagues get UT and OK make a killing while the others get shafted. However, I don't get the sense the conferences are really working together at all and I think any of them would stab any of the others in the back just to improve their own position. If this were all some master plan it would be a little more organized and a lot less back stabbing along the way.

First off, I appreciate the recognition that you display with your initial comment.

Secondly, it's certainly alright to think that its not likely for any of this to actually be happening because that would be the norm of the past. More and more things are happening and every time the "Crazy" things I tell you guys become more and more feasible. You certainly see that trend and I know that because of the recognition you have shown to possess.

I will say this, it is not a master plan. It's a plan and if it was a master plan it would have happened faster. It is a wing it and fly by the seat of your pants kind of plan but the money is so substantial that it becomes very possible to be able to narrow down the possibilities to the one that makes the most sense. The fact that all these entities have to work together or nothing at all happens? That makes compromise inevitable.

(07-07-2015 10:42 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:50 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Personally, I'd still love to see the G5 play ball during the spring or summer months. I'd watch the HELL outta some spring football...

If the full on split happens at some point down the road that's what the G5 should do, but that's not really a conversation worth having until that day comes.

Which may be much sooner than we think.

Some of the G5 schools are raking in the dough. Somebody in the P5 must be taken noticed. Slive have, and thinks the P5 if they do split will take the ones in G5 with them. Boise State sitting at #25 in the money taken in from sports could finally lead them to a P5 conference. BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UCF and some others as well.

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

Quote:The Power Five conferences – all 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame) - collectively bargaining one TV contract, instead of each negotiating a TV deal, sometime in the next 10 years.

Mr. Brown gets paid to write an atricle. He invented a clever scenario that he understands will stimulate clicks on his page and chatter on CR message boards. He also understands that this scenario in D.O.A. The conferences have been scheming, plotting, and maneuvering to optimize their membership rosters and media value. The Big 12 is lagging the others after being virtually "dismembered" down to an anemic octet. Naturally, now is the time for the madness to stop. We must all lock arms and stand against the media bloodsuckers. Wouldn't that just be grand for the Big 12? Unity! Solidarity! We are all Lubbockers!
We are told of the need for "geographical sense" in the conferences. Why? Because the Big 12 now has an Appalachian satellite office? Where was this demand when BC and The U joined the same conference? Mr. Brown offers useful suggestions for realigning the conferences to achieve "geographical sense." Thanks, Chip.
Too many of us on CR message boards believe that conference membership is primarily about juicy football matchups. Let's start considering some other factors, and write about those. It might slow down the calls for "kicking-out Wake Forest" and "Temple to the B1G."

Hmm..could definitely create some legal issues. Will be interesting to watch. Why are P5 teams more deserving than the G5, FCS, Division 3, etc to reap the rewards of inclusion? History, Donor connections, etc.

No matter P5, G5 or other, All are approved colleges and universities with student athletes who pay tuition and taxes or their parents pay tuition and taxes in the USA. Last time I checked, all these Schools were located in the USA.

We all know the P5 is the Exclusive Country Club or at-least this is the truth that has been perpetuated and supported but at some point the division being created is a class issue. The difference in payout to each university is driven by a lot of factors but proving financial loss is clear among the Non P5 schools. Football clearly generates the most $$$ for schools so creating a level playing field should be the goal. See NCAA Basketball. It works there.

Lawyers? Chime in here??

(07-08-2015 06:59 AM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  Hmm..could definitely create some legal issues. Will be interesting to watch. Why are P5 teams more deserving than the G5, FCS, Division 3, etc to reap the rewards of inclusion? History, Donor connections, etc.

No matter P5, G5 or other, All are approved colleges and universities with student athletes who pay tuition and taxes or their parents pay tuition and taxes in the USA. Last time I checked, all these Schools were located in the USA.

We all know the P5 is the Exclusive Country Club or at-least this is the truth that has been perpetuated and supported but at some point the division being created is a class issue. The difference in payout to each university is driven by a lot of factors but proving financial loss is clear among the Non P5 schools. Football clearly generates the most $$$ for schools so creating a level playing field should be the goal. See NCAA Basketball. It works there.

Lawyers? Chime in here??

NON LAWYER POINT OF VIEW: Universities formed athletic conferences to govern regular competition among a select set of members.
Conferences formed a regulatory body to oversee interconference competitions, standardize rules, and organize championship play.
Within the NCAA schools/conferences placed themselves in categories that allowed them to compete against schools with similar resources.
Along the way, televised college sports, especially among major conferences, became a revenue source for TV networks and the schools/conferences. Conferences entered into contracts with TV companies. The money became obscene, especially for football.
All of this structure was simply like-minded institutions choosing their associations and entering into contracts. Nobody objected much to any of it. Now that that the money is gushing out of control, envy has showed-up like your in-laws.
The individual universities have always chosen what level of resources they wish to commit to sports. Even some relatively small schools are competing at the highest level. I don't see that anyone has been deliberately denied the choice to swim with the big fish. Those decisions were made eons ago. Now, some conferences and individual schools have entered into a contract for a televised football championship playoff. Should other schools demand that they be included? A handful of them have a fighting chance, if they were allowed to compete. But why shouldn't these five conferences be allowed to form this association for their own purposes and benefit? Is it more that a simple matter of freedom of association?

(07-08-2015 08:16 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 06:59 AM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  Hmm..could definitely create some legal issues. Will be interesting to watch. Why are P5 teams more deserving than the G5, FCS, Division 3, etc to reap the rewards of inclusion? History, Donor connections, etc.

No matter P5, G5 or other, All are approved colleges and universities with student athletes who pay tuition and taxes or their parents pay tuition and taxes in the USA. Last time I checked, all these Schools were located in the USA.

We all know the P5 is the Exclusive Country Club or at-least this is the truth that has been perpetuated and supported but at some point the division being created is a class issue. The difference in payout to each university is driven by a lot of factors but proving financial loss is clear among the Non P5 schools. Football clearly generates the most $$$ for schools so creating a level playing field should be the goal. See NCAA Basketball. It works there.

Lawyers? Chime in here??

But why shouldn't these five conferences be allowed to form this association for their own purposes and benefit? Is it more that a simple matter of freedom of association?

People may freely associate, but if the purpose of the association is for insider trading, robbing a store, cornering a market, manipulating prices, creating barriers to competition, cheating consumers, etc. then the association might have issues.

The P5 gets a lot of cover because they are in an organization with us and they bribe us to vote for their manipulations. We consent to their cartel. Its voluntary serfdom.

The desire for a few dollars more may overcome the desire for power and control and legal CYA...leading them to seperate. But I sort of doubt it.

(07-07-2015 10:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's not a stretch for someone like Chip to think that conferences will all work together in the future because they are all working together right now WITH the Networks. Will they ever get the exact same deals as each other? I actually think they will. Why? Certain conferences are going to have to be paid off to take certain schools. They will probably get paid equivalent to what the other conferences will be getting so that they don't feel like they got screwed in the negotiations. IF that doesn't happen then none of it happens.

While I don't think it will ever be as cut and dry as the conferences working together for one contract, they are learning right now that they all benefit if they work together instead of against each other.

I mean, just look at the silliness on this forum with everyone saying their conference wont do anything if they don't get certain schools. Nothing would ever happen if such narrow minded thinking ruled these conferences. Luckily that is not the case.

You are correct that's what it will take to get this where you seem to think or hope it gets, because otherwise whichever league/leagues get UT and OK make a killing while the others get shafted. However, I don't get the sense the conferences are really working together at all and I think any of them would stab any of the others in the back just to improve their own position. If this were all some master plan it would be a little more organized and a lot less back stabbing along the way.

First off, I appreciate the recognition that you display with your initial comment.

Secondly, it's certainly alright to think that its not likely for any of this to actually be happening because that would be the norm of the past. More and more things are happening and every time the "Crazy" things I tell you guys become more and more feasible. You certainly see that trend and I know that because of the recognition you have shown to possess.

I will say this, it is not a master plan. It's a plan and if it was a master plan it would have happened faster. It is a wing it and fly by the seat of your pants kind of plan but the money is so substantial that it becomes very possible to be able to narrow down the possibilities to the one that makes the most sense. The fact that all these entities have to work together or nothing at all happens? That makes compromise inevitable.

I don't read your ramblings that much, so other than the general theme of the B1G is the best and will end up getting whoever they want eventually I don't know what you've said that's come true or appears more likely than in the past. For what you want to happen to happen it's going to take a group of the most arrogant and elite people on earth (college presidents and conference commissioners) to get together, work together, and for some of them swallow their pride. That last part is why this doesn't happen anytime soon if ever. There are way too many big egos with power that are not going to be willing to accept a compromise that makes them feel like they "lost." Then throw in the academic snobbery of the PAC, ACC, and B1G who only want to associate with schools they view as their "equals" and a lot of the B12 teams don't really fit with any of those leagues. Then you have the extremely questionable legal position that amateur college sports is currently residing in. The O'Bannon case has been lost, and while it will be tied up in appeals for years it's not gonna get overturned. The Northwestern unionization deal shows that the courts would likely not rule in the NCAA's favor for that type of protection if the players decided to try in mass. The G5 and rest of Division 1 have gone along with pretty much everything the P5 wants because they've been bought off and given enough token access to keep them in line. If that goes away the indentured servants might revolt and could probably cause enough trouble to stir the courts and government to do things the P5 would not like.

(07-07-2015 10:11 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You are correct that's what it will take to get this where you seem to think or hope it gets, because otherwise whichever league/leagues get UT and OK make a killing while the others get shafted. However, I don't get the sense the conferences are really working together at all and I think any of them would stab any of the others in the back just to improve their own position.

I was thinking that too, but then it occurred to me that for the top schools, the TV/conference income is less than 25% of their total revenue. While I think leagues like the SEC and Big Ten enjoying having a monetary advantage over the others, that advantage will remain because of other revenue sources. So it does make sense to just try to make the most money they can to an extent.

(07-07-2015 10:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 03:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Didn't we already see that movie? It was called the CFA last time around. That said, the geographic leagues he described with a 11 game schedule of all divisional games (plus one FCS game) would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of G5 football. The G5 would be finished.

Why would the G5 be finished? The G5 would be forced to behave as a unit finally instead of as remora to the P5 shark.

The G5 could make their own rules to benefit them and ignore how it affected the P5 or whether the P5 would like it.

We might actually get a G5 network.

The P5 could see how they like not having us around for Olympic sports.

The G5 would only be finished if they didn't act in unison to compete for a market niche.

Oh the G5 programs might still survive---but they would survive at a FCS like level.

You need to understand the American sports fan. They care about the championship of the highest level of the sport. They care about MLB---they could care less who wins a minor league baseball championship. They are glued to the TV for the NFL playoffs----they dont care about any arena league champ. They care about the NBA and the King James vs Curry finals battle----they dont care about the D league champ.

FCS has worked together and created a wonderful playoff system that many would love to see at the FBS level. Despite having a fantastic system, nobody cares about FCS. It generates no excitement in the college sports world and has dismal ratings. The college sports fan cares about FBS---and even the 2 G5 teams in the worst forgotten bowl game of the post season consistently generate higher ratings than the FCS playoff simply by virtue of being part of the "highest level" of college football. Whether they really have a shot or not---Toledo, Nevada, and Temple are all theoretically still chasing the same national championship as Alabama. As long as that is true---the G5 are still woth watching and following as part of that top level of football.

But if the system Chip Brown suggests were to become a reality, the G5 would become the new FCS---only worse. The 10 game conference schedule would virtually end G5 vs P5 games. The G5 would no longer be chasing the same championship as Alabama. The G5 would have their own separate kiddie table championship and would go back to being essentially D2 (or FCS). FCS would fall even further behind. G5 ticket revenue would fall as interest waned from the more casual fans. As fans lose interest playing at a less high profile level, donations would decrease----and TV revenue would fall of the edge of the table as there would be ZERO demand for this product on TV.

I wish this wasn't true, but the fact is---the FCS experience tells us that it is the way this would go. Its happened before. A number of those teams used to play at the same level as the FBS schools in the late 70's. It happened to schools like NcNeese who dropped to D1-AA thinking the playoff would allow their division capture the attention of sports fans. It didn't happen because Americans don't care who the 128th best college football team in the nation is. Similarly, Americans wont care who the 66th best football team in the nation is (and make no mistake, that's how a G5 playoff will be perceived). Trust me, this kind of split is the absolute worst thing that could happen to the G5.

The G5 and FCS exist under rules created to insure the well-being of the P5 monopoly.

Personally, i don't believe that the P5 will give up their say-so over the rest of us. Right now they exert control over our rules and finances and it costs them a mere pittance. Why would they give up that control and set us free?

If they are ever that dumb then we can make our own rules. They will have no say and no vote.

We don't have to beat them....just carve out more profit than the crumbs we are allowed now. Not that hard.

G5 would also need to make the break in ALL sports. Let the P5 play only themselves in ALL sports and see how it goes.

I'm a little guys lover, but most of the nation wouldn't give a darn if the G5 packed up and walked out. I could see the NCAA tournament struggling for a few seasons, until the P5 created a best of 5 series format and a basket-load of classic games resulted.