(07-07-2015 01:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  More likely that schools will retain more, if not all, their own home football games.

no way. Why would in the ACC for instance Duke, WF, NC State, UNC, UVA, etc. allow FSU to do that? No chance in hell that happens.

Big 12 teams seem to do ok with one game. I wonder what Ohio State or Alabama could make having a game or two or three for themselves to sell?

It's ok because it's the 12th best game out of 12 games. For Alabama for instance, it'd be the Western Carolina type of game.

(07-07-2015 01:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  More likely that schools will retain more, if not all, their own home football games.

no way. Why would in the ACC for instance Duke, WF, NC State, UNC, UVA, etc. allow FSU to do that? No chance in hell that happens.

Big 12 teams seem to do ok with one game. I wonder what Ohio State or Alabama could make having a game or two or three for themselves to sell?

It's ok because it's the 12th best game out of 12 games. For Alabama for instance, it'd be the Western Carolina type of game.

One word, Raycom.

I would think it would be the G5 conferences negotiating such a deal first. I would think they would have the most to gain by joining together.

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

Quote:The Power Five conferences – all 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame) - collectively bargaining one TV contract, instead of each negotiating a TV deal, sometime in the next 10 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Never going to happen.

Its already been tried and failed. Its why the BCS and now the P5 cartel got started in the first place.

Some people....... Never learn from history.

(07-07-2015 02:03 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

Quote:The Power Five conferences – all 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame) - collectively bargaining one TV contract, instead of each negotiating a TV deal, sometime in the next 10 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Never going to happen.

Its already been tried and failed. Its why the BCS and now the P5 cartel got started in the first place.

Some people....... Never learn from history.

Depends on your definition of fail. It didn't continue.

(07-07-2015 02:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:03 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

Quote:The Power Five conferences – all 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame) - collectively bargaining one TV contract, instead of each negotiating a TV deal, sometime in the next 10 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Never going to happen.

Its already been tried and failed. Its why the BCS and now the P5 cartel got started in the first place.

Some people....... Never learn from history.

Depends on your definition of fail. It didn't continue.

Not everyone was happy with the collective bargaining and how much money they were making.

In the short term (as was with the CFA) it "might" work but long term each conference will look out for themselves and we will be right back where we are today.

Its literally (what he is proposing) exactly what came to pass in the late 70's. What makes Ole Chip think it will work this time?

(07-07-2015 12:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, ND is going to breach or give up its individual NBC contract it has had since 1991 and has just renewed until 2025 cuz......why??

So...collective bargaining is great, wonderful and wise for colleges vs. TV networks (so says this article) but some folks think it is bad when workers do it vs. employers??? Ok...

Samuel Gompers (first president of the AFL) consciously patterned his organization after Rockefeller's Standard Oil Trust and Carnegie Steel.

(07-07-2015 12:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Didn't we already see that movie? It was called the CFA last time around. That said, the geographic leagues he described with a 11 game schedule of all divisional games (plus one FCS game) would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of G5 football. The G5 would be finished.

Why would the G5 be finished? The G5 would be forced to behave as a unit finally instead of as remora to the P5 shark.

The G5 could make their own rules to benefit them and ignore how it affected the P5 or whether the P5 would like it.

We might actually get a G5 network.

The P5 could see how they like not having us around for Olympic sports.

The G5 would only be finished if they didn't act in unison to compete for a market niche.

(07-07-2015 12:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  More likely that schools will retain more, if not all, their own home football games.

no way. Why would in the ACC for instance Duke, WF, NC State, UNC, UVA, etc. allow FSU to do that? No chance in hell that happens.

Agree, Stever. To a significant degree, the court decision that moved TV rights from the NCAA to the schools and conferences, spurred conference consolidation, including the move of most major independents to conferences in the 1990-1993 timeframe.

(07-07-2015 02:09 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:03 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

Quote:The Power Five conferences – all 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame) - collectively bargaining one TV contract, instead of each negotiating a TV deal, sometime in the next 10 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Never going to happen.

Its already been tried and failed. Its why the BCS and now the P5 cartel got started in the first place.

Some people....... Never learn from history.

Depends on your definition of fail. It didn't continue.

Not everyone was happy with the collective bargaining and how much money they were making.

In the short term (as was with the CFA) it "might" work but long term each conference will look out for themselves and we will be right back where we are today.

Its literally (what he is proposing) exactly what came to pass in the late 70's. What makes Ole Chip think it will work this time?

The problem with the CFA was that some conferences' rights were on average more valuable than the average value of the CFA. Why would the SEC, for instance, agree to pool rights with others?

(07-07-2015 03:13 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:09 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 02:03 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:06 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...ealignment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Never going to happen.

Its already been tried and failed. Its why the BCS and now the P5 cartel got started in the first place.

Some people....... Never learn from history.

Depends on your definition of fail. It didn't continue.

Not everyone was happy with the collective bargaining and how much money they were making.

In the short term (as was with the CFA) it "might" work but long term each conference will look out for themselves and we will be right back where we are today.

Its literally (what he is proposing) exactly what came to pass in the late 70's. What makes Ole Chip think it will work this time?

The problem with the CFA was that some conferences' rights were on average more valuable than the average value of the CFA. Why would the SEC, for instance, agree to pool rights with others?

The same reason the BTN and SECN exist. Because they can make more together than separate. Florida made a lot more on their Tier III than Ole Miss or Vanderbilt.

But that would take a lot of convincing for the Big 10 and SEC, even if the conference networks were left out of the mix.

(07-07-2015 03:13 PM)orangefan Wrote:  The problem with the CFA was that some conferences' rights were on average more valuable than the average value of the CFA. Why would the SEC, for instance, agree to pool rights with others?

That's exactly my point. Chip Brown is smoking something if he actually thinks a version of the CFA will return as CFB exists today.

(07-07-2015 12:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think 20 team conferences are kind of stupid. Makes much more sense to merge two conferences for TV purposes. Or even 3. 5 will be hard to do. Big 12/Pac 12 shared a TV deal at one point. Roughly 65 other schools shared the other major contract-basically everyone but the MAC and Big West.

I see that as much more likely...a conference like the ACC could easily get to 20 teams with AAC left behinds....might make more sense to split into two affliated divisions/conferences under one common TV banner. They could support limited interplay or made for TV challenge weeks.

So...

First Chippy begs the SEC to absorb the Big 12 outright:

Quote:If I'm David Boren, instead of clanging cymbals for BYU or Central Florida to join the Big 12, I'm on the phone with every power broker in the SEC, talking about a complete merging of the Big 12 and SEC - the expanded SEC.
Stay with me for a moment.
Four, six-team divisions that make regional sense. The rising costs of college athletics almost demand that schools near each other should play each other - if at all possible. (Every AD reading this is applauding that sentence.)
When those 24 schools in the expanded SEC go to the bargaining table with TV executives for their Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights and then have ESPN put together a Tier 3 network that absorbs the Longhorn Network (while making sure Texas is still whole on its 20-year, $300 million agreement with ESPN), you're talking about the first steps toward changing the game by billions of dollars.
You want to see Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany sprint? Or you want to see Big Ten presidents make Jim Delany sprint? Watch the numbers come in for a TV package involving a 24-team SEC. Or a 64-team college football TV contract.
Picture putting the tradition and rivalries decimated by realignment back together again. Texas versus Texas A&M and Kansas vs Missouri for starters.

And now he wants the B1G, PAC and SEC to give up their networks and the ACC to not start one and rearrange their conferences to fit a UT dream pod out west and create a TV entity identical to the one current Big 12 member OU destroyed with its lawsuit.

(and note in both pieces, he's desperate to have A&M back in a division with UT..hmmm wonder why)

Sounds to me like the mouthpiece of the UT AD isn't all that confident in the future of his league to be tossing garbage like this around.

I could see this happening after the last major shuffle happens.

(07-07-2015 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, ND is going to breach or give up its individual NBC contract it has had since 1991 and has just renewed until 2025 cuz......why??

So...collective bargaining is great, wonderful and wise for colleges vs. TV networks (so says this article) but some folks think it is bad when workers do it vs. employers??? Ok...

Kind of a bizarre OT political point don't you think? I don't recall Chip Brown making any comments on collective bargaining.

Sure he did:

"Why would the Power Five give up the vanity of each league having its own TV deal and commissioner to go back to a world eerily reminiscent of the pre-1984 landmark court ruling that allowed schools and conferences to break away from the NCAA’s hold on TV rights?
Why?
Two huge reasons: 1) Because that’s where the most money can be made to combat the rising costs of college athletics. 2) Because you could put some geographic sense back into college athletics (more on that in a second).
You think the NFL, which has 32 teams, has it good with $27 billion worth of TV deals through 2022?
Watch the dollar figures soar when the Power Five - the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC plus Notre Dame – throw open the bidding for one TV contract.
“If you wanted to draw up a really inefficient system in terms of leveraging TV dollars, you’d draw up what we currently have,” said one official tied to a Power Five conference.

The naysayers will vow the Power Five will never collectively bargain because you'd have too many egos to navigate, because of antitrust concerns, because Congress would object and because TV contracts in each conference don't currently end at the same time."




That is collective bargaining...everyone banding together to negotiate as one body versus the networks.

So, my point stands and is not "bizarre" at all.

(07-07-2015 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, ND is going to breach or give up its individual NBC contract it has had since 1991 and has just renewed until 2025 cuz......why??

So...collective bargaining is great, wonderful and wise for colleges vs. TV networks (so says this article) but some folks think it is bad when workers do it vs. employers??? Ok...

Kind of a bizarre OT political point don't you think? I don't recall Chip Brown making any comments on collective bargaining.

Sure he did:

"Why would the Power Five give up the vanity of each league having its own TV deal and commissioner to go back to a world eerily reminiscent of the pre-1984 landmark court ruling that allowed schools and conferences to break away from the NCAA’s hold on TV rights?
Why?
Two huge reasons: 1) Because that’s where the most money can be made to combat the rising costs of college athletics. 2) Because you could put some geographic sense back into college athletics (more on that in a second).
You think the NFL, which has 32 teams, has it good with $27 billion worth of TV deals through 2022?
Watch the dollar figures soar when the Power Five - the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC plus Notre Dame – throw open the bidding for one TV contract.
“If you wanted to draw up a really inefficient system in terms of leveraging TV dollars, you’d draw up what we currently have,” said one official tied to a Power Five conference."

The naysayers will vow the Power Five will never collectively bargain because you'd have too many egos to navigate, because of antitrust concerns, because Congress would object and because TV contracts in each conference don't currently end at the same time.




That is collective bargaining...everyone banding together to negotiate as one body versus the networks.

So, my point stands and is not "bizarre" at all.

Its your political comment out of the blue that's bizarre.

(07-07-2015 06:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, ND is going to breach or give up its individual NBC contract it has had since 1991 and has just renewed until 2025 cuz......why??

So...collective bargaining is great, wonderful and wise for colleges vs. TV networks (so says this article) but some folks think it is bad when workers do it vs. employers??? Ok...

Kind of a bizarre OT political point don't you think? I don't recall Chip Brown making any comments on collective bargaining.

Sure he did:

"Why would the Power Five give up the vanity of each league having its own TV deal and commissioner to go back to a world eerily reminiscent of the pre-1984 landmark court ruling that allowed schools and conferences to break away from the NCAA’s hold on TV rights?
Why?
Two huge reasons: 1) Because that’s where the most money can be made to combat the rising costs of college athletics. 2) Because you could put some geographic sense back into college athletics (more on that in a second).
You think the NFL, which has 32 teams, has it good with $27 billion worth of TV deals through 2022?
Watch the dollar figures soar when the Power Five - the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC plus Notre Dame – throw open the bidding for one TV contract.
“If you wanted to draw up a really inefficient system in terms of leveraging TV dollars, you’d draw up what we currently have,” said one official tied to a Power Five conference."

The naysayers will vow the Power Five will never collectively bargain because you'd have too many egos to navigate, because of antitrust concerns, because Congress would object and because TV contracts in each conference don't currently end at the same time.




That is collective bargaining...everyone banding together to negotiate as one body versus the networks.

So, my point stands and is not "bizarre" at all.

Its your political comment out of the blue that's bizarre.

Why? We have had plenty of discussions here about players being employees, getting paid and becoming unionized.

It sparked lots of discussions about unions and collective bargaining.

I just like to point out the hypocrisy of the anti-union stance when all of a sudden collective bargaining seems like a great idea for fat cats to get fatter.

(07-07-2015 06:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='bullet' pid='12179047' dateline='1436292289']
[quote='TerryD' pid='12178999' dateline='1436291395']
So, ND is going to breach or give up its individual NBC contract it has had since 1991 and has just renewed until 2025 cuz......why??

So...collective bargaining is great, wonderful and wise for colleges vs. TV networks (so says this article) but some folks think it is bad when workers do it vs. employers??? Ok...

Kind of a bizarre OT political point don't you think? I don't recall Chip Brown making any comments on collective bargaining.

Not OT. What Chip Brown is proposing (or whoever is putting words in his mouth) is that the P5 do what labor unions try to do, what the old robber-baron trusts did, what Microsoft tried to do until the anti-trust settlement--combine several competing providers into one unified organization, who negotiate as a group for higher prices.

Quote:

Quote:That is collective bargaining...everyone banding together to negotiate as one body versus the networks.

So, my point stands and is not "bizarre" at all.

Its your political comment out of the blue that's bizarre.

It's a political side comment, but not bizarre if you know your labor history, or your late 19th century economic history.

It's not a stretch for someone like Chip to think that conferences will all work together in the future because they are all working together right now WITH the Networks. Will they ever get the exact same deals as each other? I actually think they will. Why? Certain conferences are going to have to be paid off to take certain schools. They will probably get paid equivalent to what the other conferences will be getting so that they don't feel like they got screwed in the negotiations. IF that doesn't happen then none of it happens.

While I don't think it will ever be as cut and dry as the conferences working together for one contract, they are learning right now that they all benefit if they work together instead of against each other.

I mean, just look at the silliness on this forum with everyone saying their conference wont do anything if they don't get certain schools. Nothing would ever happen if such narrow minded thinking ruled these conferences. Luckily that is not the case.