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Here's the full report:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2015.pdf

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1. B1G          3,195,137  12,781  -753 
2. ACC          3
,069,296  11,368  +707 
3. SEC          2
,693,919  10,819  +466 
4. B12          1
,771,483  10,181  -308 
5. BE           1
,694,688   9,853  +142 
6. P12          1
,559,382   7,426  -120 
7. MWC          1
,316,788   7,356  -374 
8. AAC          1
,244,316   6,284 -2,492 
9. MVC            848
,871   5,176  -423 
10. A10         1
,174,655   5,107  -451 
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I see they don't include home attendance from NCAA post-season tourneys
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It's striking how much this attendance list is dominated by teams that don't have direct local competition from NBA teams. There are 41 teams with reported average attendance over 10,000, and only 5 of them are within 30 miles of an NBA team.
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(07-06-2015 12:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's striking how much this attendance list is dominated by teams that don't have direct local competition from NBA teams. There are 41 teams with reported average attendance over 10,000, and only 5 of them are within 30 miles of an NBA team.

While true, it's a tad more than that in terms of competition. While the ones at the top are not directly in NBA markets, it is not as though there is no competition for attention/money. Admittedly having no NBA team there does help, but you need more than that. Otherwise the schools in and around Kansas City, St. Louis, and Seattle, the largest markets (off the top of my head) with NBA teams should be killing it. True there are only 6 who are within 30 miles of an NBA home court (Memphis, Marquette, Maryland, Minnesota, Utah, and Oklahoma, plus Nova and G'Town who just missed the cut), but another 4 who are within 30 miles of an NHL team which competes for dollars at the same time (UNC, NC State, Ohio St, Pittsburgh, plus Wake and Duke who just missed the cut), and several more who are not quite within 30 miles, but are within an hour or so of one or the other (BYU, Wisconsin, Dayton, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas, West Virginia, as well as Utah St who just missed the cut).

While some had no NBA competition like the three at the top, I do find the trio of UNC, Duke, and NC State fascinating, as they have to compete not only with each other, but the Hurricanes NHL team, all in one combined market. for UNC and NC State to pull out those numbers is mighty impressive. Wisconsin has to compete with Marquette and the Bucks (I know, I know, but they are finally getting good). Cincinnati, Dayton, and Xavier are all in the same general TV market, and Maryland and Georgetown get to compete with the Wizards and Capitals. Even Louisville and Kentucky compete for many of the same fans, and both are within an hour of Cincinnati and Xavier.

BTW, the same can be said about football, and how few teams in the top share a market with an NFL team.
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You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?
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If I am not mistaken (a fellow Card fan could correct me if I am wrong) this is the 25th year in a row Louisville has been ranked top 5 in attendance.

I love being in the ACC!
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(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853
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(07-06-2015 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853

That's why I made the comment that I made. This is obviously an ACC circle jerk thread created from stats that are not just about the ACC.

It's what little brothers do.
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(07-06-2015 07:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853

That's why I made the comment that I made. This is obviously an ACC circle jerk thread created from stats that are not just about the ACC.

It's what little brothers do.

You seriously trying to say the Big Ten is better than the ACC? LOL win a title someday then we'll talk. Until then...you are down the ladder
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(07-06-2015 04:27 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 12:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's striking how much this attendance list is dominated by teams that don't have direct local competition from NBA teams. There are 41 teams with reported average attendance over 10,000, and only 5 of them are within 30 miles of an NBA team.

While true, it's a tad more than that in terms of competition. While the ones at the top are not directly in NBA markets, it is not as though there is no competition for attention/money. Admittedly having no NBA team there does help, but you need more than that. Otherwise the schools in and around Kansas City, St. Louis, and Seattle, the largest markets (off the top of my head) with NBA teams should be killing it. True there are only 6 who are within 30 miles of an NBA home court (Memphis, Marquette, Maryland, Minnesota, Utah, and Oklahoma, plus Nova and G'Town who just missed the cut), but another 4 who are within 30 miles of an NHL team which competes for dollars at the same time (UNC, NC State, Ohio St, Pittsburgh, plus Wake and Duke who just missed the cut), and several more who are not quite within 30 miles, but are within an hour or so of one or the other (BYU, Wisconsin, Dayton, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas, West Virginia, as well as Utah St who just missed the cut).

While some had no NBA competition like the three at the top, I do find the trio of UNC, Duke, and NC State fascinating, as they have to compete not only with each other, but the Hurricanes NHL team, all in one combined market. for UNC and NC State to pull out those numbers is mighty impressive. Wisconsin has to compete with Marquette and the Bucks (I know, I know, but they are finally getting good). Cincinnati, Dayton, and Xavier are all in the same general TV market, and Maryland and Georgetown get to compete with the Wizards and Capitals. Even Louisville and Kentucky compete for many of the same fans, and both are within an hour of Cincinnati and Xavier.

BTW, the same can be said about football, and how few teams in the top share a market with an NFL team.

Competition is also indirect - the total number of pro teams in your market and other top college teams all represent tickets for sale not just basketball.

The Washington Nationals was the final straw for Maryland as they had to compete with two NFL, NBA, and MLB teams for fans.

BC, Pitt, GT, Miami, Vandy, Tulane, Purdue, Indiana, NW, Minnesota, etc,., all have professional competition in their market that hurt.

Conversely, USC and UCLA are boosted by not having an NFL team in LA. A given population can only digest so many tickets.

Many of your SEC schools, and schools like Ohio State, Louisville, and others have a nearly clear base market without significant competition.

When you look at the situation that is UNC-Ch, NC State, and Duke, you are selling over 1,000,000 college football tickets and nearly 1,000,000 college basketball tickets into the same market.

To put that in perspective - if those three were a single entity it would take a football stadium of 140K and a basketball arena of 45K to accommodate the crowd.
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(07-06-2015 07:30 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 07:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853

That's why I made the comment that I made. This is obviously an ACC circle jerk thread created from stats that are not just about the ACC.

It's what little brothers do.

You seriously trying to say the Big Ten is better than the ACC? LOL win a title someday then we'll talk. Until then...you are down the ladder

Little brothers think titles are all that matters. They win them thinking that it replaces what matters. It's like this guy thinks that Louisville is nothing more than a Semi Pro sports team manufacturing plant or something.
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(07-06-2015 08:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 04:27 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 12:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's striking how much this attendance list is dominated by teams that don't have direct local competition from NBA teams. There are 41 teams with reported average attendance over 10,000, and only 5 of them are within 30 miles of an NBA team.

While true, it's a tad more than that in terms of competition. While the ones at the top are not directly in NBA markets, it is not as though there is no competition for attention/money. Admittedly having no NBA team there does help, but you need more than that. Otherwise the schools in and around Kansas City, St. Louis, and Seattle, the largest markets (off the top of my head) with NBA teams should be killing it. True there are only 6 who are within 30 miles of an NBA home court (Memphis, Marquette, Maryland, Minnesota, Utah, and Oklahoma, plus Nova and G'Town who just missed the cut), but another 4 who are within 30 miles of an NHL team which competes for dollars at the same time (UNC, NC State, Ohio St, Pittsburgh, plus Wake and Duke who just missed the cut), and several more who are not quite within 30 miles, but are within an hour or so of one or the other (BYU, Wisconsin, Dayton, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas, West Virginia, as well as Utah St who just missed the cut).

While some had no NBA competition like the three at the top, I do find the trio of UNC, Duke, and NC State fascinating, as they have to compete not only with each other, but the Hurricanes NHL team, all in one combined market. for UNC and NC State to pull out those numbers is mighty impressive. Wisconsin has to compete with Marquette and the Bucks (I know, I know, but they are finally getting good). Cincinnati, Dayton, and Xavier are all in the same general TV market, and Maryland and Georgetown get to compete with the Wizards and Capitals. Even Louisville and Kentucky compete for many of the same fans, and both are within an hour of Cincinnati and Xavier.

BTW, the same can be said about football, and how few teams in the top share a market with an NFL team.

Competition is also indirect - the total number of pro teams in your market and other top college teams all represent tickets for sale not just basketball.

The Washington Nationals was the final straw for Maryland as they had to compete with two NFL, NBA, and MLB teams for fans.

BC, Pitt, GT, Miami, Vandy, Tulane, Purdue, Indiana, NW, Minnesota, etc,., all have professional competition in their market that hurt.

Conversely, USC and UCLA are boosted by not having an NFL team in LA. A given population can only digest so many tickets.

Many of your SEC schools, and schools like Ohio State, Louisville, and others have a nearly clear base market without significant competition.

When you look at the situation that is UNC-Ch, NC State, and Duke, you are selling over 1,000,000 college football tickets and nearly 1,000,000 college basketball tickets into the same market.

To put that in perspective - if those three were a single entity it would take a football stadium of 140K and a basketball arena of 45K to accommodate the crowd.

It depends on the market and what appeals to the market.

I would be extremely surprised if there were a significant number of UNC/Duke/NCSU basketball season ticket holders who gave up their season tickets because they decided they'd rather spend their money on NHL hockey tickets.

On the other hand, the lack of NFL football in LA probably benefitted UCLA (USC was already selling really well), but the rise of the Lakers starting in about 1980 absolutely hurt UCLA basketball ticket sales, probably permanently.

Also, are UNC, Duke, and NCSU really in competition with each other for ticket sales? Can't imagine that any diehard Tar Heel fans would give up their tickets to buy season tix at Duke or NCSU, or vice versa. The base of season ticket holders, especially at large public schools, is alums, boosters, and other people with a real connection to the school. They're not likely to switch from season tix at one school to a rival school; if they make any switch away from their college team, it's likely to be a switch to buying pro team tickets.
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(07-06-2015 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853

Yep. Very impressive. Like I have always maintained, once the ACC absorbed most of the better bb schools from the BE this decade, only the B1G could seriously challenge us year after year.

But another way to look at the above is take the average undergrad enrollment of the 14 B1G institutions, which is 27773 and then divide the average attendance by that number and the average attendance is 46% of their undergrad enrollment.

Now the average undergrad enrollment of the 15 ACC institutions is 14575. So when you divide their average attendance of 11638 by their average undergrad enrollment that comes to 78%. Which is also impressive.

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(07-06-2015 09:53 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2015 06:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You have an ACC forum for the circle jerk threads right?


They do leave out this important stat:

Conference Average:
1. Big Ten 12,781
2. Atlantic Coast 11,368
3. Southeastern 10,819
4. Big 12 10,181
5. Big East 9,853

Yep. Very impressive. Like I have always maintained, once the ACC absorbed most of the better bb schools from the BE this decade, only the B1G could seriously challenge us year after year.

But another way to look at the above is take the average undergrad enrollment of the 14 B1G institutions, which is 27773 and then divide the average attendance by that number and the average attendance is 46% of their undergrad enrollment.

Now the average undergrad enrollment of the 15 ACC institutions is 14575. So when you divide their average attendance of 11638 by their average undergrad enrollment that comes to 78%. Which is also impressive.

Don't you just love numbers. 03-wink

Cheers,
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That is some extremely impressive bull****. I am not in the least bit being sarcastic when I say that either.
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There is a reason the ACC dominates the challenge with the Big 10 every year.
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(07-07-2015 04:57 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  There is a reason the ACC dominates the challenge with the Big 10 every year.

Huh? I think you need to review the Challenge results the last 6 years or so.

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(07-07-2015 04:57 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  There is a reason the ACC dominates the challenge with the Big 10 every year.

The ACC hasn't won the challenege since 2008.
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(07-07-2015 04:57 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  There is a reason the ACC dominates the challenge with the Big 10 every year.

03-lmfao

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Louisville is undefeated in the ACC/B1G challenge! Lol
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